[kevinhy]

because PES still hasnt made an official announcement

Its coming.

[chedapalooza]

So would u say something like 4-8 weeks elite stand alone followed by 4-8 weeks erase.

No other t boosting support would be needed with elite? Perhaps endosurge or some natty t booster?

[MidwestBeast]

Its coming.

[andrew732]

Endosurge is fine to stack with it, although if you are estrogen sensitive I would recommend erase as Forksolin will increase aromataze enzyme activation.

[steppinRazor]

So would u say something like 4-8 weeks elite stand alone followed by 4-8 weeks erase.

No other t boosting support would be needed with elite? Perhaps endosurge or some natty t booster?

i plan on giving AB Elite a run for the money. totally stand alone. i was was pretty damn satisfied with the original, but never did it completely stand alone. the closest i came was running it 2 weeks solo then adding in a few other goodies - namely erase.

[chedapalooza]

Endosurge is fine to stack with it, although if you are estrogen sensitive I would recommend erase as Forksolin will increase aromataze enzyme activation.

Yea. I'm verrery sensitive. I've been using prometheus rising -daa+forskolin n agmatine n r ala. 2 weeks I was ok, then 3 n 4 nasty estrogen sides.. Just started erase 2 days ago n water retention is way down.

I will def use elite stand alone but have erase on hand. I'm assuming erase pro would be ok as well?

[bigdavid]

Damn picking this up for sure. Will there be in intro deal like before? I sitll havent signed up for the insider mailing list do I do that from the PES website?

[AaronJP1]

Shh, you haven't heard this yet!

U made me waste my money?

[ICJLM]

Definitely in for this!

[Ando55]

Profile Looks good, I wonder how much anacyclus pyrethrum extract is in every 2 pills as ironically this reminds me of a Anabeta and Driven Sports Lean Xtreme put together. Would it be better to do Anabeta + Lean Xtreme or Anabeta Elite when it comes to content of the main ingredient and amounts of 7-OH and Coleous Forkskolii.


Anabeta: 1600mg anacyclus pyrethrum in 2 pills, 3200mg total at 4 caps a day for 30 day run.


Lean Xtreme: Per Cap: 395mg blend of
Green Tea Extract (50% EGCG), Coleus Forskohlii (40% Forskolin), Phosphatidylserine 45%, 5-AT (5-Etioallocholen-3b,7b,17b-tiol), 7OH (3b,7b-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one)


This means you get 1185mg a day given 3 caps a day for a 30 day run. Both combined is 4385mg/day total combo of Anabeta and Lean Xtreme.


Anabeta Elite:
1625mg per 2 cap: Anacyclus pyrethrum D.C. (root) Extract 95% Forskolin (Standardized from Coleus forskohlii)5-Androsten-3B7B-diol-17-one

Puts us at 3250mg total blend per day.

My thoughts: Anabeta Elite has a higher extract of Forskolin which is great and excludes 5-AT, this looks like a great recomp product when tied up with Erase and Erase Pro or by itself! Great Job PES!

[chedapalooza]

Profile Looks good, I wonder how much anacyclus pyrethrum extract is in every 2 pills as ironically this reminds me of a Anabeta and Driven Sports Lean Xtreme put together. Would it be better to do Anabeta + Lean Xtreme or Anabeta Elite when it comes to content of the main ingredient and amounts of 7-OH and Coleous Forkskolii.

Anabeta: 1600mg anacyclus pyrethrum in 2 pills, 3200mg total at 4 caps a day for 30 day run.

Lean Xtreme: Per Cap: 395mg blend of
Green Tea Extract (50% EGCG), Coleus Forskohlii (40% Forskolin), Phosphatidylserine 45%, 5-AT (5-Etioallocholen-3b,7b,17b-tiol), 7OH (3b,7b-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one)

This means you get 1185mg a day given 3 caps a day for a 30 day run. Both combined is 4385mg/day total combo of Anabeta and Lean Xtreme.

Anabeta Elite:
1625mg per 2 cap: Anacyclus pyrethrum D.C. (root) Extract 95% Forskolin (Standardized from Coleus forskohlii)5-Androsten-3B7B-diol-17-one

Puts us at 3250mg total blend per day.

My thoughts: Anabeta Elite has a higher extract of Forskolin which is great and excludes 5-AT, this looks like a great recomp product when tied up with Erase and Erase Pro or by itself! Great Job PES!

So elite could be safely run with erase or pro without lowering cortisol or estrogen dangerously? How about 4 weeks elite followed by 8 weeks pro?

[Ando55]

So elite could be safely run with erase or pro without lowering cortisol or estrogen dangerously? How about 4 weeks elite followed by 8 weeks pro?

I would say you can run with Erase/Erase Pro since 7-OH is known mostly for lowering cortisol and not aromatase, as Andrew732 stated and yourself mentioned, keep the Estrogen down via Erase/Erase Pro due to Forskohlii raising the enzyme up. 4 weeks elite + Erase/Erase Pro and then 4 weeks Erase/ Erase Pro alone perhaps sounds good.

[chedapalooza]

I would say you can run with Erase/Erase Pro since 7-OH is known mostly for lowering cortisol and not aromatase, as Andrew732 stated and yourself mentioned, keep the Estrogen down via Erase/Erase Pro due to Forskohlii raising the enzyme up. 4 weeks elite + Erase/Erase Pro and then 4 weeks Erase/ Erase Pro alone perhaps sounds good.

yea that was my next thought. Nice. Super excited

[andrew732]

Yea. I'm verrery sensitive. I've been using prometheus rising -daa+forskolin n agmatine n r ala. 2 weeks I was ok, then 3 n 4 nasty estrogen sides.. Just started erase 2 days ago n water retention is way down.

I will def use elite stand alone but have erase on hand. I'm assuming erase pro would be ok as well?

Yes Erase Pro is fine. Erase pro is just a plus lol

[kevinhy]

Forskolin increases testosterone. Anything that increases testosterone will create a small amount, since E is created from T. If anyone is worried about it they can simply use Erase.

Anabete Elite will be great stand alone, just a matter of time before the logs start popping up.

[Sourdough]

Not like erase at all. The 7oh is most know for its ability to significantly reduce cortisol and glucocorticoid levels while increasing resting metabolic rates. The other ingredients are the active from the original anabeta, and forskolin- which is thought to elevate cAMP. Not really sure how this formula is going to be a "potent mass" builder when two of the three ingredients are common to fat/weight loss products.

actually forskoklin can increase resting metabolic rate AND add LBM in even untrained individuals... really is an AWESOME supplement, totally happy with these additions myself.

Should make for one lean mean Anabeta!

[Sourdough]

Anabeta Elite is meant to be used mainly as a stand alone purely anabolic compound. It can be used during PCT to maintain any gains made on cycle, and the addition of forskolin will help enhance testosterone production in the post cycle period.

Erase can be stacked since the cortisol inhibiting effects of it and 7oh are competitive. I would use Erase if i wanted to keep everything leaner/drier vs Anabeta Elite alone.

I actually think the 7oh will play out GREAT in PCT... Drive, also contains forskolin(also icariin though) and Ive used it in many PCT's with GREAT success.

Will this be out in the next 4 weeks?

I already have 3 bottles of Anabeta sitting here that I was planning on using in my upcoming PCT but this could def be utilized and subbed in for one of the others if its here in time....


Also... the original Anabeta actives... since its proprietary, can we at least be informed if its in the same, FULL dose as previously provided? or should/could we supplement with standard AB to make for a bit more of this ingredient?

[kevinhy]

I actually think the 7oh will play out GREAT in PCT... Drive, also contains forskolin(also icariin though) and Ive used it in many PCT's with GREAT success.

Will this be out in the next 4 weeks?

I already have 3 bottles of Anabeta sitting here that I was planning on using in my upcoming PCT but this could def be utilized and subbed in for one of the others if its here in time....


Also... the original Anabeta actives... since its proprietary, can we at least be informed if its in the same, FULL dose as previously provided? or should/could we supplement with standard AB to make for a bit more of this ingredient?

Anabeta Elite will be all you need, no point stacking the two.

[Ando55]

Anabeta Elite will be all you need, no point stacking the two.

I like this!

[MidwestBeast]

Anabeta Elite will be all you need, no point stacking the two.

I think he just meant swapping out one of the originals with the Elite to replace it standalone for PCT (just what I got from reading it).

I, too, would be curious to know if the amount of active from original Anabeta will be the same in Elite; if it's possible to disclose.

[kevinhy]

I think he just meant swapping out one of the originals with the Elite to replace it standalone for PCT (just what I got from reading it).

I, too, would be curious to know if the amount of active from original Anabeta will be the same in Elite; if it's possible to disclose.

Ancient Chinese Secret.

[MidwestBeast]

Ancient Chinese Secret.

brb sourcing DNP from Chinese distributor

[Urban Monk]

What could one expect from running Elite and Pro concurrently for 8 weeks?

[kevinhy]

What could one expect from running Elite and Pro concurrently for 8 weeks?

Strength & Muscle gains with hardening, leaning, and drying of the physique.

[Urban Monk]

So this is the recommended stack? Could you comment on what the effects on cortisol would be?