STIM EFFECT OFF AT2 AND SHIFT?

[miniarnold]

Have read reviews of each product and i am undecided on which to try

Are they both quite stim and jitter free, i dont like stims and dont like to feel all buzzed out and high and then have a crash like off ephedrine for example and vpx meltdown i also didnt like

I read that the stim effect is quite clean and doesnt cause a crash, it makes sense to go with at2 as it has the added ingrediants which sound beneficial to target fat loss in the torso, but dont want to feel stimmed out and feel on a high with a crash should i go for at2 think i am leaning more towards this

or play it safe and get shift?


Anyone who is sensitive to stims would be helpfull to comment on the effect of AT2




Can they be dosed diff than the bottle says-
is it best (more effective) to take the 1st serving b4 breakfast on an empty stomach
or, as i train midday which is approx 2hrs after bfast could the 1st serving be taken b4 workout (about 1hr after bfast) but i know this will push the 2nd dose back to later in the day
?


Cheers gang

[bdcc]

First serving before breakfast- 1 hour after breakfast wouldn't be on an empty stomach now would it?!

Alpha-T2 is very mild as a stimulant. I gave a stimulant sensitive colleague some to try and he said he noticed no signs of taking a stimulant but was sweating a lot. The stimulant effect was so mild that when he started sweating he had forgotten he had taken anything.

[nattydisaster]

Alpha-T2 has a full dose of SHIFT in it and is a complete formula. SHIFT is best used for those wanting to take 0 stims or to add with another product to add a real thyroid component

[miniarnold]

[QUOTE=bdcc;3138643]First serving before breakfast- 1 hour after breakfast wouldn't be on an empty stomach now would it?!

I know thats why i asked, so it has to be in the morning b4 bfast and then another 6-8 hrs later
just thought b4 my workout would be good but i wouldnt have an empty stomach

[miniarnold]

Alpha-T2 has a full dose of SHIFT in it and is a complete formula. SHIFT is best used for those wanting to take 0 stims or to add with another product to add a real thyroid component

Gone with AT2

[bdcc]

Definitely on an empty stomach especially if you are on AT2 as the rauwolscine in it is the ingredient most mitigated if you have eaten food.

Let us know how you get on.

Ben

[miniarnold]

Will do
Cheers

[miniarnold]

If sticking to the cycling recommendation 8wks on and 4 wks off and repeat,
can AT2 be used all the time yr round like even when gaining weight for leaner gains, as long as following 8wks on and 4 wks off and repeat indefinately, or would this be to much suppresion of the natural thyroid functioning an not recommended?

[bdcc]

How many bottles do you have and what are your stats?

[miniarnold]

How many bottles do you have and what are your stats?

2 bottles, one bottle contains methyl-synphedrine is this the old formula of at2? the second contains the higenamine (the one on pes website)

just wondered if it could be used all the time as long as a break of at least 4 weeks is included b4 restarting for either cutting or gaining or would it be overuse and over stimulation?

Also can i increase the 2nd dose to 2 pills also like the first for a total of 4 per day (i ask as the bottle says dont exceed 3 pills per day) ?
Cheers

[AE14]

2 bottles, one bottle contains methyl-synphedrine is this the old formula of at2? the second contains the higenamine (the one on pes website)

just wondered if it could be used all the time as long as a break of at least 4 weeks is included b4 restarting for either cutting or gaining or would it be overuse and over stimulation?

Also can i increase the 2nd dose to 2 pills also like the first for a total of 4 per day (i ask as the bottle says dont exceed 3 pills per day) ?
Cheers

The one with higenamine is the newer one. Both are very effective.

[bdcc]

If you are trying to lean bulk I wouldn't run it too high consistently. It is very strong and may interfere with muscle gain.

Recomping you could use a more aggressive approach. It depends on the person.

[miniarnold]

If you are trying to lean bulk I wouldn't run it too high consistently. It is very strong and may interfere with muscle gain.

Recomping you could use a more aggressive approach. It depends on the person.

I guess the newer version with higenamine is a bit better than the original?

would say 1-2pills a day for 8 weeks be ok for use on a lean bulk then a break for say 4-6 weeks

currently using it to recomp/diet a little so will i be ok upping to 4 pills per day?

Thanks men

[bdcc]

Start with that and see how you get on. You don't need to decide a definitive dosage. If you get half way through and want more fat loss then bump it up.

[miniarnold]

Start with that and see how you get on. You don't need to decide a definitive dosage. If you get half way through and want more fat loss then bump it up.

yea was just a thought 1-2 pills perday when gaining for a leaner gain

but current goal is fat loss recomp so is it ok to bump up to 4 per day for this, or is 3 the max that anyone should ever take, anyone taken 4 and been ok (suffered no rebound weight gain) after cycle?

Did the original formula have methyl synphedrine, i take it the change to higenamine makes the new version better?

Thanks.

[bdcc]

Have you used it before? It is a strong supplement, I don't think you will need 4.

[miniarnold]

Have you used it before? It is a strong supplement, I don't think you will need 4.

first time i am using it mate got one tub with synphedrine and the newer version with higenamine, has nobody ever gone up to 4 per day?

[cubsfan815]

I am very sensitive to stims. I used to be a stim junkie, but I quit after a trip to the ER. I had 0 problems with original T2/Shift combo. It along with Titanium helped me shed 40lbs before my wedding. I have not tried the new version yet however. My wife lost her job right after we got back from Cancun, so I had to put our gym memberships on freeze. I have gained 25 of the 40lbs back, since not being able to workout or afford supps. Let me know how the new version works, I need to get back on track.

[miniarnold]

I am very sensitive to stims. I used to be a stim junkie, but I quit after a trip to the ER. I had 0 problems with original T2/Shift combo. It along with Titanium helped me shed 40lbs before my wedding. I have not tried the new version yet however. My wife lost her job right after we got back from Cancun, so I had to put our gym memberships on freeze. I have gained 25 of the 40lbs back, since not being able to workout or afford supps. Let me know how the new version works, I need to get back on track.

Using the original version with synphedrine in it at the moment have a bottle of the new version with the higenamine, but the original seems to give me a little more energy, currently using 3 per day with an interest of upping it to 4 per day but not sure if this is safe or if anyone else has used 4 AT2 per day

[bdcc]

There have been people that have used 4 per day. If you stack with Shift you are looking at 6 capsules equivalent with the thyroidal ingredient 3,3-diiodothyronine so in respect to that people have taken much more than 4. It is down to you if you can tolerate that amount of rauwolscine and higenamine.

Start with 3 and decide what you want to do.