STIM EFFECT OFF AT2 AND SHIFT?
- 12-19-2011, 04:06 PM
STIM EFFECT OFF AT2 AND SHIFT?
Have read reviews of each product and i am undecided on which to try
Are they both quite stim and jitter free, i dont like stims and dont like to feel all buzzed out and high and then have a crash like off ephedrine for example and vpx meltdown i also didnt like
I read that the stim effect is quite clean and doesnt cause a crash, it makes sense to go with at2 as it has the added ingrediants which sound beneficial to target fat loss in the torso, but dont want to feel stimmed out and feel on a high with a crash should i go for at2 think i am leaning more towards this
or play it safe and get shift?
Anyone who is sensitive to stims would be helpfull to comment on the effect of AT2
Can they be dosed diff than the bottle says-
is it best (more effective) to take the 1st serving b4 breakfast on an empty stomach
or, as i train midday which is approx 2hrs after bfast could the 1st serving be taken b4 workout (about 1hr after bfast) but i know this will push the 2nd dose back to later in the day
- 12-19-2011, 04:08 PM
First serving before breakfast- 1 hour after breakfast wouldn't be on an empty stomach now would it?!
Alpha-T2 is very mild as a stimulant. I gave a stimulant sensitive colleague some to try and he said he noticed no signs of taking a stimulant but was sweating a lot. The stimulant effect was so mild that when he started sweating he had forgotten he had taken anything.PEScience Representative
12-19-2011, 04:37 PM
Alpha-T2 has a full dose of SHIFT in it and is a complete formula. SHIFT is best used for those wanting to take 0 stims or to add with another product to add a real thyroid component
12-20-2011, 07:47 AM
[QUOTE=bdcc;3138643]First serving before breakfast- 1 hour after breakfast wouldn't be on an empty stomach now would it?!
I know thats why i asked, so it has to be in the morning b4 bfast and then another 6-8 hrs later
just thought b4 my workout would be good but i wouldnt have an empty stomach
12-20-2011, 07:48 AM
12-20-2011, 08:28 AM
Definitely on an empty stomach especially if you are on AT2 as the rauwolscine in it is the ingredient most mitigated if you have eaten food.
Let us know how you get on.
12-21-2011, 07:20 AM
12-31-2011, 05:19 AM
If sticking to the cycling recommendation 8wks on and 4 wks off and repeat,
can AT2 be used all the time yr round like even when gaining weight for leaner gains, as long as following 8wks on and 4 wks off and repeat indefinately, or would this be to much suppresion of the natural thyroid functioning an not recommended?
12-31-2011, 05:30 AM
How many bottles do you have and what are your stats?
01-01-2012, 06:34 AM
just wondered if it could be used all the time as long as a break of at least 4 weeks is included b4 restarting for either cutting or gaining or would it be overuse and over stimulation?
Also can i increase the 2nd dose to 2 pills also like the first for a total of 4 per day (i ask as the bottle says dont exceed 3 pills per day) ?
01-01-2012, 06:40 AM
01-01-2012, 08:37 AM
If you are trying to lean bulk I wouldn't run it too high consistently. It is very strong and may interfere with muscle gain.
Recomping you could use a more aggressive approach. It depends on the person.
01-01-2012, 08:49 AM
01-01-2012, 09:11 AM
Start with that and see how you get on. You don't need to decide a definitive dosage. If you get half way through and want more fat loss then bump it up.
01-02-2012, 05:26 AM
yea was just a thought 1-2 pills perday when gaining for a leaner gain
but current goal is fat loss recomp so is it ok to bump up to 4 per day for this, or is 3 the max that anyone should ever take, anyone taken 4 and been ok (suffered no rebound weight gain) after cycle?
Did the original formula have methyl synphedrine, i take it the change to higenamine makes the new version better?
01-02-2012, 06:18 AM
Have you used it before? It is a strong supplement, I don't think you will need 4.
01-03-2012, 05:45 AM
01-05-2012, 11:12 AM
I am very sensitive to stims. I used to be a stim junkie, but I quit after a trip to the ER. I had 0 problems with original T2/Shift combo. It along with Titanium helped me shed 40lbs before my wedding. I have not tried the new version yet however. My wife lost her job right after we got back from Cancun, so I had to put our gym memberships on freeze. I have gained 25 of the 40lbs back, since not being able to workout or afford supps. Let me know how the new version works, I need to get back on track.
01-05-2012, 11:24 AM
Using the original version with synphedrine in it at the moment have a bottle of the new version with the higenamine, but the original seems to give me a little more energy, currently using 3 per day with an interest of upping it to 4 per day but not sure if this is safe or if anyone else has used 4 AT2 per day
01-05-2012, 02:21 PM
There have been people that have used 4 per day. If you stack with Shift you are looking at 6 capsules equivalent with the thyroidal ingredient 3,3-diiodothyronine so in respect to that people have taken much more than 4. It is down to you if you can tolerate that amount of rauwolscine and higenamine.
Start with 3 and decide what you want to do.
01-05-2012, 02:24 PM
I can take 4 capsules of AT2 with 2 additional Shift capsules and have nothing in terms of stimulant side effects.
I do have difficulty sleeping from this because of how warm it makes me. I tested this at the beginning of December and i seriously had to sleep with a window open that had a fan in it blowing directly on me. It was about 30 degrees out.
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01-06-2012, 06:31 AM
currently taking 3 per day of at2 and may increase to 4 per day seen as though others have used 4 as i didnt want to be the first
can pes confirm that the first at2 contained-
Serving Size: 1 Capsule Servings per Container: 90
Amount Per Serving
3,3-diiodo-l-thyronine (T2)150 mcg**
Methyl-Synephrine 30 mg**
Rauwolscine HCL7 mg
I ask as my first tub i ordered contained methyl-synephrine as above which is what im using (3per day)
and the second i ordered from a diff supplier is the one containing higenamine off the pes website
Is the first still ok, but is the new one with higenamine actually better?
01-06-2012, 06:43 AM
Higenamine is new, methyl-synephrine is the original version. Both are effective so don't worry about having one of each.
01-07-2012, 03:47 PM
I do think the synephrine gives me more energy than the higenamine version
anyway just wanted to check i had a legit product and not a fake as i was confused why the first tub looked totaly diff with a diff label and contained the synephrine
currently using 3 per day but may increase to 4 per day, when first tub goes il try the higenamine version
01-08-2012, 02:52 AM
Methyl-syn is a beta agonist as well but it is more stimulating than higenamine. We also found higenamine to be much more thermogenic mg for mg
Both versions are great and have endless feedback on here
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