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    PES ERASE QUESTION


    I have read about erase being a great product! What is the active ingredient in this supplement that is the estrogen blocker? How exactly does it work?? Thanks for the info and a great product. I'm wanting to make sure that it has no drug interaction danger.



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    It is an aromatase inhibitor. 1 ingredient
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    The active in Erase is Androst-3,5-dien-7,17-dione. This is a metabolite of 7-oxo, and is shown in literature to have an enzyme affinity similar to exemestane. There are numerous studies on 7-oxo and 7-hydroxy metabolites on their ability to inhibit 11b-hsd. 11b-hsd is the enzyme pathway responsible for converting inactive cortisone into the active cortisol. This means that Erase not only inhibits aromatase (which increases testosterone & reduces estrogen), but also lowers cortisol as well.
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    I have learned through experience that the old ergopharm (and even the bismark labs) 1-AD seemed to lower estrogen levels on me. I'm thinking erase is the same concept at a lower price. I'm going to try this product out-I have faith in it.......I have read a lot of good reviews about it. Thanks for the info!!

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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    I have learned through experience that the old ergopharm (and even the bismark labs) 1-AD seemed to lower estrogen levels on me. I'm thinking erase is the same concept at a lower price. I'm going to try this product out-I have faith in it.......I have read a lot of good reviews about it. Thanks for the info!!
    I'm not sure how 1-ad would lower estrogen, since its a precursor to 1-testosterone. 1-testosterone isnt an aromatizable androgen but its shown that androgens influence aromatase production in studies. Perhaps you just had a more favorable androgen to estrogen ratio.

    Erase works through different mechanisms, but its still a knockout nonetheless. Definitely cost effective too! If you end up trying it im sure you will be overly satisfied.
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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    I have read about erase being a great product! What is the active ingredient in this supplement that is the estrogen blocker? How exactly does it work?? Thanks for the info and a great product. I'm wanting to make sure that it has no drug interaction danger.
    Erase is an awesome product for sure!

    The active in Erase is 3.7-keto DHEA. See below for information on its mechanism of action:
    Regulating Estrogen and Increasing Testosterone via Suicide Aromatase Inhibition: The Role of 3, 7-Keto DHEA:

    3, 7-Keto DHEA is a naturally-occurring metabolite of dehydroepiandosterone (DHEA), and is a potent aromatase inhibitor with some very unique qualities. Aromatase is an enzyme that transforms testosterone into estrogen, and the more active aromatase is, the more estrogen will ultimately be present. Therefore, aromatase inhibitors significantly decrease the level of estrogen in the body. This is important as increased estrogen in men can signal the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis (HPTA) to shut down the release of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). GnRH signals the production of luteinizing hormone (LH), which signals the production of testosterone. Therefore, increased estrogen levels can lower endogenous testosterone production (21,29,31).

    3, 7-Keto DHEA has demonstrated strong ability to lower estrogen, thus mitigating this effect. It has a high binding affinity (Ki value = 0.22 mM) to the aromatase enzyme, and binds in an irreversible manner, making it a suicide inhibitor of aromatase. Ki Values measure how efficiently a compound binds to its associated receptor. The lower the Ki value; the higher the binding affinity. This inhibition allows for the production of less estradiol (E2) and estrone (E1) and allows the user of the compound to maintain a higher level of testosterone; hence improving the Testosterone: Estrogen (T:E) ratio. The mechanism through which aromatase inhibitors raise testosterone is fairly simple; the HPTA senses low levels of estrogen, and because the body seeks to maintain homeostasis (it likes to maintain at least some estrogen, even in men), there is a concurrent increase in the amount of testosterone that is being produced, as a way to compensate for the low estrogen levels. The increased testosterone levels normally will result in increased estrogen since there is no estrogen being produced. Essentially, the brain is tricked into trying to produce more estrogen, so it releases more luteinizing hormone releasing hormone (LHRH) and subsequently more LH, leading to even higher testosterone levels (20,21-23).

    All aromatase inhibitors share this characteristic of positively altering the T:E ratio, and all will raise serum testosterone levels in men, which has been referenced in numerous studies. 3,7-Keto DHEA is comparable in potency to several other commonly available aromatase inhibitors. As explained above, a lower Ki value means higher potency, making it more potent than both Formestane and Exemestane, and very similar to androstentrione (ATD) (31,55).

    3,7-Keto DHEA is unique from other commonly used aromatase inhibitors in sports supplements in that it is a natural metabolite of 7-Keto DHEA and it cannot directly bind to the androgen receptor. 3,7-Keto DHEA (like 7-Keto DHEA) also cannot convert to testosterone, estrogen, or progesterone via any type of enzymatic reaction, so by strict definition it cannot in any way be considered a prohormone. This clearly differentiates it from other recently banned products that allow for the direct conversion to a controlled substance in the body (in either in trace amounts or full-scale conversion). This can not occur with 3,7-Keto DHEA, as it is formed naturally in humans from 7-Keto DHEA and can be readily found in humans in the amount of 5-7 ug/day (23-24).
    Erase should be used with caution with other products with AI properties or that control cortisol.

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    3,7-keto DHEA is the worst way to name the ingredient. Does not even make sense

    We use androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione because thats what it is
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    Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Erase is an awesome product for sure!

    The active in Erase is 3.7-keto DHEA. See below for information on its mechanism of action:


    Erase should be used with caution with other products with AI properties or that control cortisol.

    As far as prescription medication, if you don't want to ask here about a specific drug you might be using, ask Josh (aka nattydisaster) via PM.

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    I'm not on any prescription meds or anything that requires a doctor's supervision-I'm just wanting to make sure that it won't interact with any other supps or OTC meds that people use on a daily basis. Sorry for asking such a broad question!

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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    I'm not on any prescription meds or anything that requires a doctor's supervision-I'm just wanting to make sure that it won't interact with any other supps or OTC meds that people use on a daily basis. Sorry for asking such a broad question!
    No worries Erase should be fine stacked with other products, although, as I said, "Erase should be used with caution with other products with AI properties or that control cortisol" (really, you don't want to stack Erase with such products at all, and if you do, dosage of one should be a lot lower than recommended).

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    Great answers by Rosie across the board.
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    from my experience with erase at 3 caps, its a great cort reducer, I get the sides the dry joints which let you know its working as for an AI its ok depending on what you compare it to. I think its a good ai at 4-5 caps a day to say something like aromasin. For ai I like resveratol peoducts.

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    Originally Posted by greekgeorge View Post
    from my experience with erase at 3 caps, its a great cort reducer, I get the sides the dry joints which let you know its working as for an AI its ok depending on what you compare it to. I think its a good ai at 4-5 caps a day to say something like aromasin. For ai I like resveratol peoducts.
    A lot of people arent trying to emulate the effects of aromasin, but the ability of Erase to perform very closely even at slightly higher doses says a lot for a safe, legal, and DSHEA compliant product. We recommend 3 caps because its the sweet spot for most people, if you're taking in exogenous androgens then obviously youll need to step the dose up as our recommendation is based off of individuals that are on natty products.

    That isnt to say 3 caps a day isnt enough to handle the aromatization from heavy cycles in some users, check the thread that Jasen created recently. He was using 1g of Test a week, his AI was Erase at 3caps/day, when he got his blood test estrogen was well within normal range.
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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    I have learned through experience that the old ergopharm (and even the bismark labs) 1-AD seemed to lower estrogen levels on me. I'm thinking erase is the same concept at a lower price. I'm going to try this product out-I have faith in it.......I have read a lot of good reviews about it. Thanks for the info!!
    The reason 1-AD kept you dry is that 1-AD or 1-Testosterone is a DHT derived hormone, DHT is nature's anti-estrogen and the masculine male hormone. Taking 1-AD in theory should keep you lean and dry. Erase is different as it will boost testosterone while lowering estradiol, 1-AD shuts your natural testosterone production.
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    I still love the gains and overall look that 1-AD gives me. I like compounds that are meant for lean, dry mass. Too bad that it's nearly impossible to find anymore!!

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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    I still love the gains and overall look that 1-AD gives me. I like compounds that are meant for lean, dry mass. Too bad that it's nearly impossible to find anymore!!
    That's because it's a scheduled drug now.

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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    I still love the gains and overall look that 1-AD gives me. I like compounds that are meant for lean, dry mass. Too bad that it's nearly impossible to find anymore!!
    Lots of people use Erase as a standalone like one would use a hardening dry mass agent
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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05
    I still love the gains and overall look that 1-AD gives me. I like compounds that are meant for lean, dry mass. Too bad that it's nearly impossible to find anymore!!
    You are comparing an AI to a prohormone. Not quite the same playing field.

    Side note, you can look into AMSs 1-andro as it converts directly to 1-test.
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    Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    You are comparing an AI to a prohormone. Not quite the same playing field.

    Side note, you can look into AMSs 1-andro as it converts directly to 1-test.
    My understang is that ERASE is also a test booster.......I have heard that the AI is pretty strong too.

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    Originally Posted by chrisrob05
    My understang is that ERASE is also a test booster.......I have heard that the AI is pretty strong too.
    It is... By default when you control/decrease estrogen your test levels rise. Though 1-ad/1-andro are prohirmones meaning that they convert to a steroid within the body. In the case of 1-ad it converts to 1-testosterone.
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