PES ERASE QUESTION

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Hix View Post
    Erase is stackable with Lean Xtreme on PCT, because both are cortisol agents or just one to use?
    I recommend only using one - you don't need to stack two cortisol controllers together, and as with products containing AI properties, you want to be careful about it. So either:
    a. Use Erase
    b. Use Lean Xtreme
    c. If you stack Erase and Lean Xtreme, use only a single cap of Erase and 2-3 caps of Lean Xtreme

    Of the two products, I recommend using Erase - not only does it help re cortisol control, but it's also going to boost your total AND free testosterone and manage estrogen; all properties that you want during PCT.

    ~Rosie~


  2. Ok first let me say I used erase over the summer with Great success and loved it which is y I chose to use it again for sept+October after doing 4 weeks off.

    That being said, over the summer while using erase, I noticed some marked difficulty breathing/inability to complete satisfying deep breathes... This has Bren happening more this second time around w erase (erase Is the ONLY variable I'm positive) I have also added Ana beta for the last 4 weeks of this run and the breathing has only gotten worse! These two supps r the only ones that r different from my staples back in the summer..

    Obviously I love the effects of these products but being unable to breath properly Is not worth it... I'm wondering if anyone can relate to these experiences.. Could it be dose related? I take 4 ersase daily and 4 AB.. Could the 4 be lowering estrogen too much? That I am actually hurting my levels and causing adverse effects? Thank you very much. I love the company, just looking out trying not to be foolish or ignorant.
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  3. I replied to this in the other thread.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc
    I replied to this in the other thread.
    Yea thanks. Just trying to get more opinions. It's only in these two don't worry lol

  5. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ok first let me say I used erase over the summer with Great success and loved it which is y I chose to use it again for sept+October after doing 4 weeks off.

    That being said, over the summer while using erase, I noticed some marked difficulty breathing/inability to complete satisfying deep breathes... This has Bren happening more this second time around w erase (erase Is the ONLY variable I'm positive) I have also added Ana beta for the last 4 weeks of this run and the breathing has only gotten worse! These two supps r the only ones that r different from my staples back in the summer..

    Obviously I love the effects of these products but being unable to breath properly Is not worth it... I'm wondering if anyone can relate to these experiences.. Could it be dose related? I take 4 ersase daily and 4 AB.. Could the 4 be lowering estrogen too much? That I am actually hurting my levels and causing adverse effects? Thank you very much. I love the company, just looking out trying not to be foolish or ignorant.
    Answering here and not in the other thread (like Ben did)...I have not experienced anything like this using either Erase or AnaBeta standalone or stacked together, and if anyone was going to have "breathing" issues with any product, it would be me, given my hereditary condition (my red blood cells can only carry two oxygen molecules instead of the FOUR that everyone elses' - or the 99.9999999.....% that do not have my "condition" - do)- I use 5 caps of Erase a day and used 4-5 caps daily when using AnaBeta. That said, no one can predict everything that one might experience using a product, especially since we all have different responses and experiences with every product, even if we can give a general idea of what to "expect" (not everyone experiences what is expected either, and some the opposite).

    As Ben recommended, I would say see a medical professional about it, since it's very likely something else.

    ~Rosie~
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  6. Yea I think it's anxiety from family issues.. U guys r all great.. Thx

  7. Rosie, I tried pming you about triazole but it wasn't working..

  8. Erase didn't do much for me when I ran it for 8 weeks at 3 caps a day. Well it did increase libido but I didn't see any leaning out or strength gains out of the ordinary. Maybe I'll try it again in the future at 5 caps a day. I'd need 4 bottles to run it for 8 weeks at that dosage though. Plus I would be worried about getting sick since lowered estrogen also lowers your immune response. Anabeta is still the best PES product.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Yea I think it's anxiety from family issues.. U guys r all great.. Thx
    No worries


    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Rosie, I tried pming you about triazole but it wasn't working..
    Anything you want to know about my experience with Triazole, you can see in the daily log I kept on it: Completing the Female Terminator's REMODEL with TRIAZOLE (and other Goodies) - inclusive of Final Review in post #202. If you want to know about Triazole compared to Erase or something along those lines re my experience and thoughts, I have made notes on this in various threads - you just have to make a quick search for them. If you want to know more about Triazole, the Driven Sports' subforum is the best place to look and ask about it - Matt and his team are very knowledgeable, and Rob is always there to help out.

    ~Rosie~

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott

    No worries

    Anything you want to know about my experience with Triazole, you can see in the daily log I kept on it: Completing the Female Terminator's REMODEL with TRIAZOLE (and other Goodies) - inclusive of Final Review in post #202. If you want to know about Triazole compared to Erase or something along those lines re my experience and thoughts, I have made notes on this in various threads - you just have to make a quick search for them. If you want to know more about Triazole, the Driven Sports' subforum is the best place to look and ask about it - Matt and his team are very knowledgeable, and Rob is always there to help out.

    ~Rosie~
    Nice, I read your review and I also messaged w another reputable member on here who swears by the stuff..

    I will be ending erase n Anabeta Oct31and going on ebol for the month of November.

    For December and Jan I would like to do the following, your feedback Is greatly appreciated. My goal will be a recomp for december leading up to one hell of a new years eve! Then start a lean bulk for Jan, feb, march... December n Jan supplementing as follows, again, ur feedback Is very important for me:

    Dec- Triazole 3-4 daily, oxy elite 3 daily, alpha t2 3 daily
    anabolic pump, acetyl l carn+cla (redefine nutrition)
    lipotrophin pm+3z
    Vit shop brand horny goat weed, hemonoxavol (no booster)

    Jan- triazole 3-4 daily +morph by isatori
    Shift (3 daily) + ge pharma pyroburn (1/day)
    tta500 (1am), acetyl l+cla
    Lipotrophin pm+tta500 at bed
    anabolic pump, horny goat weed

    Also have multi v and b complex

    I want to keep fat burners low in Jan n then go stim free for feb/march at the height of my bulk.. I'm worried that shift plus one serving of pyroburn ephedra isn't enough though :/ that why I hope the triazole will keep me lean

  11. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Nice, I read your review and I also messaged w another reputable member on here who swears by the stuff..

    I will be ending erase n Anabeta Oct31and going on ebol for the month of November.

    For December and Jan I would like to do the following, your feedback Is greatly appreciated. My goal will be a recomp for december leading up to one hell of a new years eve! Then start a lean bulk for Jan, feb, march... December n Jan supplementing as follows, again, ur feedback Is very important for me:

    Dec- Triazole 3-4 daily, oxy elite 3 daily, alpha t2 3 daily
    anabolic pump, acetyl l carn+cla (redefine nutrition)
    lipotrophin pm+3z
    Vit shop brand horny goat weed, hemonoxavol (no booster)

    Jan- triazole 3-4 daily +morph by isatori
    Shift (3 daily) + ge pharma pyroburn (1/day)
    tta500 (1am), acetyl l+cla
    Lipotrophin pm+tta500 at bed
    anabolic pump, horny goat weed

    Also have multi v and b complex

    I want to keep fat burners low in Jan n then go stim free for feb/march at the height of my bulk.. I'm worried that shift plus one serving of pyroburn ephedra isn't enough though :/ that why I hope the triazole will keep me lean
    Triazole treated me well, yes, but as you'll see from reading both my log and review, that the time during which I used it was NOT "normal" for me as far as EVERYthing went. Also bear in mind that whilst my experience/s and feedback on a product can be useful, my body often responds and has VERY DIFFERENT effects and results than what it should or is intended (for example, my joints being the best ever using 5 caps a day of Erase, when 99.9999999999.......% of people would experience BAD joints using it at that dose, especially over prolonged periods of time).

    Looks like you're putting the focus on supplements - DON'T forget the BASICS! If you want to recomp, sure, some supplements can help and I'd definitely recommend them, but the key to a SUCCESSFUL recomp is making sure that your NUTRITION AND TRAINING are in line first - any supplements you use should just SUPPLEMENT those two factors. Make sure you have the BASIC STAPLE supplements before adding in anything else. You've got a lot of stuff stacked (more does NOT mean more effective, better, or faster results, and EVERYthing you use should have a PURPOSE!), and if you've never used some of what you are planning on stacking before (if you have, ignore this), then you don't need to be using it all at once. You're only 162 pounds at 5'7" - if your nutrition is manipulated correctly (the KEY to a successful recomp IS NUTRITION!), then there is NO reason why you cannot maintain leanness whilst adding mass (just remember that during a recomp gains are going to come slowly, especially if you're also focusing on staying lean or even leaning out as you do it). Do it all right and there's no reason why you can't achieve what you want, though - just make sure that you place your emphasis on the factors that are going to have the most important roles and not on the "minor" details.

    ~Rosie~

  12. Will Erase make you fail a steroid test?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by alwaysfirst View Post
    Will Erase make you fail a steroid test?
    No.
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  14. Ok so I've brought this up before and I dnt want to beat a dead horse BUT...

    I think I am ready to attritibute my previous breathing difficulties to the erase...

    First and foremost, let me say- I love pes and erase. I love it so much I am going to use it again in December and Jan. And take note of the changes in breathing if there are any!

    I will note that while using in July at 4 / day I notice slight breathing problems/heaviness in chest. Then after a 4 week break (during Which the symptoms subsided)
    I use erase again for 8 weeks straight at 4 a day, tapering the dose in the last week. I had such bad breathing problems thy I saw a lung and heart doctor, all forthrm to find noting . Since stopping on October 30th, I have been a ok!

    I HOPE it's not the erase, and the product is so effective that I will try it again! This time I will probably stay at 3/day. will also be stacking with anabeta...

    I just want to know if anyone has noticed any breathing issues while using erase.. Maybe the symptoms were related to the high dose.. I'm not product or company bashing, I love the product n company.. Thus Is just a serious, personal concern. If any reps could possibly point out any mechanisms of erase that could potentially affect blood pressure, lung function, etc... That would be very appreciated n helpful. Thank you!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ok so I've brought this up before and I dnt want to beat a dead horse BUT...

    I think I am ready to attritibute my previous breathing difficulties to the erase...

    First and foremost, let me say- I love pes and erase. I love it so much I am going to use it again in December and Jan. And take note of the changes in breathing if there are any!

    I will note that while using in July at 4 / day I notice slight breathing problems/heaviness in chest. Then after a 4 week break (during Which the symptoms subsided)
    I use erase again for 8 weeks straight at 4 a day, tapering the dose in the last week. I had such bad breathing problems thy I saw a lung and heart doctor, all forthrm to find noting . Since stopping on October 30th, I have been a ok!

    I HOPE it's not the erase, and the product is so effective that I will try it again! This time I will probably stay at 3/day. will also be stacking with anabeta...

    I just want to know if anyone has noticed any breathing issues while using erase.. Maybe the symptoms were related to the high dose.. I'm not product or company bashing, I love the product n company.. Thus Is just a serious, personal concern. If any reps could possibly point out any mechanisms of erase that could potentially affect blood pressure, lung function, etc... That would be very appreciated n helpful. Thank you!
    Im sorry for your experience.

    Theres nothing with the MAO of this AI or any other that would lead me to believe they can cause breathing difficulties. Ive ran 6 capsules a day for an extended period of time without anything in that regard.
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  16. On my second week of erase and my libido is shot. It was raging before I started taking it. For most it seems to have a positive effect on libido it seems. I guess my estro is too low? I'm at 3 caps Ed. I can deal with it unless that is a sign for me to lower the dose?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by dcne02
    On my second week of erase and my libido is shot. It was raging before I started taking it. For most it seems to have a positive effect on libido it seems. I guess my estro is too low? I'm at 3 caps Ed. I can deal with it unless that is a sign for me to lower the dose?
    It's user dependant bro. Experiment. Without bloods you have no idea what your levels are. Look for the signs that it's working.

    I started at 3 a day and broke out with crazy acne, testicular sensitivity, marked increased aggression... Having a temper problem in the first place I had to dial it down a little. Now I've hit my sweet spot and all I can say is that Erase is no BS.

    Playing with your dosage will only help you find your sweet spot. You don't need people on a forum to help you with that. In not trying to be a hater dude but supps are so user dependant you gotta test the waters yourself my friend.

    Good luck,
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by dcne02
    On my second week of erase and my libido is shot. It was raging before I started taking it. For most it seems to have a positive effect on libido it seems. I guess my estro is too low? I'm at 3 caps Ed. I can deal with it unless that is a sign for me to lower the dose?
    Yea I would* guess * ur crushing ur estro too much.. Drop to two.. I accidentally stacked erase w a test booster that had an ai in it! Once I realized that n just went w solo erase, I gelt a million times better.. Drop to two ..

  19. I understand that this might be a little off topic, but it's been bugging me for quite some time now. This is probably the wrong place to ask this, but fck it. As some of you are already aware, there is another product on the market that contains the same active ingredient that is in Erase. However, they choose to use a totally different nomenclature, which at the end of the day, wouldn't exactly be the "same" active as Erase. They choose the name 3,7-keto-DHEA. Now, I don't have a degree in organic chemistry, but I'd like to think I know a basic understanding of it, as far as naming compounds go. 3,7-keto-DHEA would imply that there are two ketones at carbons 3 and 7 along with an -ene at C5 and one more ketone at C17, rounding out the functional groups and bonds of standard DHEA.

    Erase's active nomenclature is androst-3,5-diene-7,17-dione. Now just by looking at this compound's name, I can tell it has the basic sterane nucleus with double bonds at C3 and C5 and one ketone each at C7 and C17. Now comparing the two actives, the difference that I see is that 3,7-keto-DHEA actually HAS a ketone at C3 whereas Erase's active does not, hence the double bond at C3 which makes it 3-deoxy.

    Maybe I'm missing something here but as far as nomenclatures on labels go, these seem to be two different compounds and it bugs me when people keep implying that 3,7-keto-DHEA is the same ingredient that is in Erase. If you were to break down 3,7-keto-DHEA even further, wouldn't it be androst-5-ene-3,7,17-trione? I dunno, maybe I'm just totally off here. I just don't see how 3,7-keto = 3,5-diene; the discrepancy I'm experiencing is the difference at the 3 position.

    Again, I know it's a little off topic but I didn't want to create a new thread just for this question and I felt like it was "somewhat" ok to ask in this thread considering the title of the thread, hehe. Oh and I think you guys know the other product that I am talking about since it has already been discussed in this thread. It's just that it's sort of a universal rule to not call out products/companies when you are discussing about them towards another similiar product.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by F355 View Post
    I understand that this might be a little off topic, but it's been bugging me for quite some time now. This is probably the wrong place to ask this, but fck it. As some of you are already aware, there is another product on the market that contains the same active ingredient that is in Erase. However, they choose to use a totally different nomenclature, which at the end of the day, wouldn't exactly be the "same" active as Erase. They choose the name 3,7-keto-DHEA. Now, I don't have a degree in organic chemistry, but I'd like to think I know a basic understanding of it, as far as naming compounds go. 3,7-keto-DHEA would imply that there are two ketones at carbons 3 and 7 along with an -ene at C5 and one more ketone at C17, rounding out the functional groups and bonds of standard DHEA.

    Erase's active nomenclature is androst-3,5-diene-7,17-dione. Now just by looking at this compound's name, I can tell it has the basic sterane nucleus with double bonds at C3 and C5 and one ketone each at C7 and C17. Now comparing the two actives, the difference that I see is that 3,7-keto-DHEA actually HAS a ketone at C3 whereas Erase's active does not, hence the double bond at C3 which makes it 3-deoxy.

    Maybe I'm missing something here but as far as nomenclatures on labels go, these seem to be two different compounds and it bugs me when people keep implying that 3,7-keto-DHEA is the same ingredient that is in Erase. If you were to break down 3,7-keto-DHEA even further, wouldn't it be androst-5-ene-3,7,17-trione? I dunno, maybe I'm just totally off here. I just don't see how 3,7-keto = 3,5-diene; the discrepancy I'm experiencing is the difference at the 3 position.

    Again, I know it's a little off topic but I didn't want to create a new thread just for this question and I felt like it was "somewhat" ok to ask in this thread considering the title of the thread, hehe. Oh and I think you guys know the other product that I am talking about since it has already been discussed in this thread. It's just that it's sort of a universal rule to not call out products/companies when you are discussing about them towards another similiar product.
    I believe PA went over how their nomenclature for 3-deoxy-7-oxo didnt make any sense. I think you would have to PM that company and ask them why they named it the way they did.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I believe PA went over how their nomenclature for 3-deoxy-7-oxo didnt make any sense. I think you would have to PM that company and ask them why they named it the way they did.
    If it's supposed to be the same active as Erase, then 3-deoxy-7-oxo-DHEA or 3-deoxy-7-keto-DHEA would make perfect sense, no? It would just be another way of writing androst-3,5-diene-7,17-dione. But I can see where the question would arise if it contains a 3-ene or not, just because it's 3-deoxy'ed.

    Would you happen to have a link to that PA discussion?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by F355 View Post
    If it's supposed to be the same active as Erase, then 3-deoxy-7-oxo-DHEA or 3-deoxy-7-keto-DHEA would make perfect sense, no? It would just be another way of writing androst-3,5-diene-7,17-dione. But I can see where the question would arise if it contains a 3-ene or not, just because it's 3-deoxy'ed.

    Would you happen to have a link to that PA discussion?
    I cant find it right now but 3-deoxy-7-oxo-dhea does make perfect sense. theres been a discussion on this in a bunch of threads over the past year or so.

    3,7-keto doesnt.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I believe PA went over how their nomenclature for 3-deoxy-7-oxo didnt make any sense. I think you would have to PM that company and ask them why they named it the way they did.
    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I cant find it right now but 3-deoxy-7-oxo-dhea does make perfect sense. theres been a discussion on this in a bunch of threads over the past year or so.

    3,7-keto doesnt.
    Ok, so now I'm a little confused. In post #45 you say that PA discussed how 3-deoxy-7-keto does not make any sense, and then you say it does. I'm assuming you made a mistake and meant to originally write 3,7-keto-DHEA in post #45?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I believe PA went over how their nomenclature for 3-deoxy-7-oxo didnt make any sense. I think you would have to PM that company and ask them why they named it the way they did.
    Nevermind. I see what you did, I just read it wrong. My fault.

  25. haha, yeah.

    the way THEY write 3-deoxy doesnt make sense.
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