Prolactin increase from Erase?

[conanster]

Just got bloodwork back from a run of T-2 and Erase. Testosterone came back low, prolactin came back high. Is there something in these that could be causing this? I was quite surprised as I don't feel bad (would assume I would feel crappy with low test levels). Total test came back 195(low), Prolactin was 17.7(top of normal range). These are the only supplements besides Myofusion protein powder and my multivitamin I was taking at the time. Labs from 2 months ago were normal (total test 495). Any ideas?

[bdcc]

Stick up all of your numbers from both panels.

[undecided]

This doesn't sound good, do you have any more news to share?

[kevinhy]

Just got bloodwork back from a run of T-2 and Erase. Testosterone came back low, prolactin came back high. Is there something in these that could be causing this? I was quite surprised as I don't feel bad (would assume I would feel crappy with low test levels). Total test came back 195(low), Prolactin was 17.7(top of normal range). These are the only supplements besides Myofusion protein powder and my multivitamin I was taking at the time. Labs from 2 months ago were normal (total test 495). Any ideas?

Were you cycling anything?

I dont see how your test could come back that low after only two months, especially while running Erase, unless you had been using some PH/DS.

Have you ran any DAA lately? Ive heard that it can cause increases in prolactin levels.

Post up your previous and current bloodwork please.

[conanster]

No PH/DS/AAS for over 1 yr. Only other supplements being used are not deviated from my norm, protein powder (whey based), multi-vitamin, fish oil. No other labs were substantial from previous or current lab values(all within normal limits) ,except for a slightly elevated HGB/HCT, most likely due to me having mild sleep apnea and not using my CPAP at the moment. I work critical care and understand the pathophysiology of my body well with the benefit of frequent lab draws at no expense. I am not upset. more confused as to why an AI would cause such a strange reaction. Looking for some input, as this doesnt make much sense. Perhaps the thyroidal component of the AT2?? I have currently discontinued both products and will redraw next week. Can update here..

[conanster]

Oh yeah. forgot to mention that I was so surprised the results came back screwy I had the tech draw and run a second set of labs the next morning. Total test 215, Prolactin 16.8. Not significantly different but these are real numbers.

[kevinhy]

Ill save the speculation for when your next set of bloods comes back, but I am aware of t3 levels increasing SHBG.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...tract/66/4/740

[conanster]

I am aware of the thyroidal connection with androgens and free test, part of the reason we correct thyroid levels before anyone is ever placed on HRT. Not sure I am following your rational though...do tell..

[conanster]

Rather disappointing that no company representatives have attempted to answer

[R1balla]

your test levels went down while on a Erase...hmmmm.....sounds kinda fishy

[kevinhy]

I am aware of the thyroidal connection with androgens and free test, part of the reason we correct thyroid levels before anyone is ever placed on HRT. Not sure I am following your rational though...do tell..

I just meant ill save any thoughts of how this could happen until this next set of blood work comes back, instead of increasing speculation. Obviously youre familiar with SHBGs relationship to thyroid levels, but an increase in prolactin from these supplements doesn't make any sense to me.

Rather disappointing that no company representatives have attempted to answer

I would have assumed Natty or others would have been in here by now.

[BigBlackGuy]

your test levels went down while on a Erase...hmmmm.....sounds kinda fishy

Dude has been here since 2003... I don't know what you mean by fishy.

[kevinhy]

Dude has been here since 2003... I don't know what you mean by fishy.

lol

[swollen87]

your test levels went down while on a Erase...hmmmm.....sounds kinda fishy

Doesn't your product use the EXACT same compound?

Subd to see where this goes, I am STILL waiting to see any bloodwork for erase, or free test for that matter..

All this dhea bs on the market today makes me laugh, metabolite of this or that or ph to what wait...... who?

Op, Fock all that bs otc sht... go buy an ai you KNOW will work if u need one (aromasin)


I'll be happy when he new supplement ban comes and takes all the crap off the market, waste of money, and they don't do what they're advertised to do.. IME

/rant

Op, look into STOPPING ALL supp use for a few weeks, be sure our getting enough vitamin e, it will help control prolactin.. then get more bloods and post up again...

[BigBlackGuy]

btw guys, it's 2 am here... maybe they all live in the east coast and are normal people lol

In 8 hours, this thread will be hoppin with PES reps fo sho

[kevinhy]

btw guys, it's 2 am here... maybe they all live in the east coast and are normal people lol

In 8 hours, this thread will be hoppin with PES reps fo sho

For sure, 2am here too.

[ryanp81]

Have you had thyroid issues in the past or cortisol issues ???

[KashMoni]

btw guys, it's 2 am here... maybe they all live in the east coast and are normal people lol

In 8 hours, this thread will be hoppin with PES reps fo sho

But he posted a week ago...

[DAdams91982]

Slow down there fella's. Believe it or not I do miss threads quite often. And Natty will be along shortly.

Conan, can you white out any sensitive information from your bloods and scan them in. Both your before and after.

There is no way an AI caused a rise in prolactin, or a reduction in T.

If you get me some of that info, hopefully we can assist you. The MOA of Erase is contradictory to these problems, so I am inclined to look at everything as a whole rather than pointing to one thing at the moment.

[nattydisaster]

I dont read every thread on the forum. I have a lot of work outside of the forum to handle. I personally saw the thread title was prolactin increase from Erase and know that prolactin increases from AI's is impossible, so I never bothered to read it. I apologize. Luckily bdcc shot me a PM

Just got bloodwork back from a run of T-2 and Erase. Testosterone came back low, prolactin came back high. Is there something in these that could be causing this? I was quite surprised as I don't feel bad (would assume I would feel crappy with low test levels). Total test came back 195(low), Prolactin was 17.7(top of normal range). These are the only supplements besides Myofusion protein powder and my multivitamin I was taking at the time. Labs from 2 months ago were normal (total test 495). Any ideas?

I do not know why your blood values are the way they are. I certainly do not think it is supplement related in any way, not from Erase or T2. I have never seen a direct connection between an AI and Prolactin.

You may have something else going on.

The fact that you discontinued use of both products and saw now significant change in your blood values further backs up my point. There is no supplement connection here.

Had there been mild suppression for whatever strange reason, which would not make any sense, you would have seen and increase. The half life is short enough, and you were not shut down.

your test levels went down while on a Erase...hmmmm.....sounds kinda fishy

You gotta be kidding me, right?