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    Non-Stim 8 week Transformation Log


    Introduction

    Whats up guys

    I recently hit up nattyd on facebook for the opportunity to log some PES supplements, and he hooked me up with 8 weeks worth of Erase & Shift! I received the bottles today, so its time for the transformation to begin....starting tomorrow. For now ill give you all the information.

    Starting Stats
    Weight - 195
    Height - 5'10"
    Body fat - Not sure, but too high.

    The Diet

    As of tomorrow, ill be restricting my caloric intake to ~2000 calories. Typically I follow a ratio of 20:1 for low carb to carb meals, ill be bumping it up to about 25:1. Ill post the exact outline for my food intake down to the last almond if anyone cares to see it, otherwise ill leave it at that.

    Dosing

    NattyD initially requested that I dose 4 shift/day and 3 erase/day, but since i want both to last the full 8 weeks, ill dose as follows:
    Morning: 1 SHIFT, 1 ERASE
    Afternoon: 1 SHIFT, 1 ERASE
    Night: 1 SHIFT, 1 ERASE


    The Training

    I am adamant about not following a cardio routine when i diet down. Every time ive followed a steady cardio routine i end up losing too much LBM in the process. Cardio will only be added if i hit a significant fat loss plateau.

    I'm just coming off another GVT routine with great success, and im switching back into a more basic weight lifting template. I plan on following a non-linear periodization routine, where each time i make it through my split, the rep ranges change. For those not familiar, ill be alternating between the 4-6, 8-10, and 12-15 rep max ranges on each subsequent workout for a given body part. My split will be as follows:
    Day 1 - Chest/Shoulders/ Triceps
    Day 2 - Legs
    Day 3 - off
    Day 4 - Back/ Biceps
    Day 5 - off
    Day 6 - Repeat Day 1

    Other Supplements

    Creatine monohydrate
    Fish oil (10 grams)
    5000 IU D3
    R-ala (During carb meal)
    performaxx multi-vitamin


    I think I've covered everything, but if I'm missing any pertinent information, please let me know.

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    FINAL PICTURES

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    Looking good, I just got my erase and alpha t2 I'm planning to run 8 weeks myself at 3 caps each so ill be right with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    Looking good, I just got my erase and alpha t2 I'm planning to run 8 weeks myself at 3 caps each so ill be right with you.
    Awesome! Do you plan on logging it, or posting your results?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Awesome! Do you plan on logging it, or posting your results?
    Here is my log Getting Back To Work It started off as my workout log to document my progress, I will use only PES products and protein for 8 weeks then continue my workout log till I complete my goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    Here is my log Getting Back To Work It started off as my workout log to document my progress, I will use only PES products and protein for 8 weeks then continue my workout log till I complete my goals.
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    Watching.

    As for this: "I am adamant about not following a cardio routine when i diet down. Every time ive followed a steady cardio routine i end up losing too much LBM in the process. Cardio will only be added if i hit a significant fat loss plateau." That's fine, since cardio is not required for fat loss. However, just so you know, the reason you lose lean body mass when you add cardio in is because you add cardio in AND cut calories - you only need to do one or the other to get a caloric deficit, and doing both if not used to it only makes that deficit greater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Watching.

    As for this: "I am adamant about not following a cardio routine when i diet down. Every time ive followed a steady cardio routine i end up losing too much LBM in the process. Cardio will only be added if i hit a significant fat loss plateau." That's fine, since cardio is not required for fat loss. However, just so you know, the reason you lose lean body mass when you add cardio in is because you add cardio in AND cut calories - you only need to do one or the other to get a caloric deficit, and doing both if not used to it only makes that deficit greater.

    On another note, both you and WhatsaRoid are going to enjoy your stacks

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    I wanted to try PES before but your reviews on the products made them a priority and the reason I purchased so much during the nutra sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    I wanted to try PES before but your reviews on the products made them a priority and the reason I purchased so much during the nutra sale.
    PES products are so simple and yet so effective. I don't make many products staples - especially now that my body can function without having to take multiple stimulants (thanks to Assault), but Erase and Alpha-T2 are two definite staples for me and I can't say enough about them. Look forward to seeing your experience and feedback on them as well, bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Watching.

    As for this: "I am adamant about not following a cardio routine when i diet down. Every time ive followed a steady cardio routine i end up losing too much LBM in the process. Cardio will only be added if i hit a significant fat loss plateau." That's fine, since cardio is not required for fat loss. However, just so you know, the reason you lose lean body mass when you add cardio in is because you add cardio in AND cut calories - you only need to do one or the other to get a caloric deficit, and doing both if not used to it only makes that deficit greater.

    On another note, both you and WhatsaRoid are going to enjoy your stacks

    ~Rosie~
    In the past i attempted to calculate the cardio into a ~500 calorie deficit, but i seemed to under-estimate the actual amount of calories i was burning. I also tried Berardi's G-flux concept by actually increasing my calories above maintenance and made the deficit come from increased exercise. I'm hypothesizing that i just had an acute cortisol response to the workload, and that caused a bit of muscle wasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    PES products are so simple and yet so effective. I don't make many products staples - especially now that my body can function without having to take multiple stimulants (thanks to Assault), but Erase and Alpha-T2 are two definite staples for me and I can't say enough about them. Look forward to seeing your experience and feedback on them as well, bud

    ~Rosie~
    Agreed. AT-2 is great, but i feel Shift is going to be more of a staple for me, ESPECIALLY on refeed days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    In the past i attempted to calculate the cardio into a ~500 calorie deficit, but i seemed to under-estimate the actual amount of calories i was burning. I also tried Berardi's G-flux concept by actually increasing my calories above maintenance and made the deficit come from increased exercise. I'm hypothesizing that i just had an acute cortisol response to the workload, and that caused a bit of muscle wasting.
    Yeah, you really can't calculate it into it, since the calories you burn/use during a cardio session are NOT the full impact of the calories burnt from that session overall. The best thing to do is just adjust training (like nutrition) each week based on results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Yeah, you really can't calculate it into it, since the calories you burn/use during a cardio session are NOT the full impact of the calories burnt from that session overall. The best thing to do is just adjust training (like nutrition) each week based on results.

    ~Rosie~
    Haha, that sounds like a better idea. Perhaps i was just bad at my methods for monitoring fat loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Haha, that sounds like a better idea. Perhaps i was just bad at my methods for monitoring fat loss.
    Hey, you live and learn and hopefully don't repeat the same mistakes twice. Training and nutrition are a constant experiment to find what works the best for you, and once you find it, you stick to it, even if that method means readjustment weekly - which is what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Hey, you live and learn and hopefully don't repeat the same mistakes twice. Training and nutrition are a constant experiment to find what works the best for you, and once you find it, you stick to it, even if that method means readjustment weekly - which is what I do.

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    Good advice as always, thanks Rosie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Good advice as always, thanks Rosie.
    No worries Now, GO FOR IT!

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    I've edited my original post to include my other supplementation. I'll post a log update by today or tomorrow, so far nothing significant enough to update about. I'll have at least 1 significant log update a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Are you going to save posting the before pictures till later on ?
    Yes sir. Ive already emailed the before that im going to use to nattyd, so ill just post a side-by-side once 8 weeks has passed.
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    Any workouts yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    Any workouts yet?
    Yeah bro, hit up a workout last night, would you like me to post what i did?



    On a side note, I have a bottle of PP's Turinabol that im going to sell, whats the going rate on this product now-a-days?
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    Update


    So its been a few days since ive started this stack, figured id give you guys a quick update.


    I dont have anything spectacular to report as of yet. I'm feeling a little leaner which i attribute to the drying effect of Erase, possibly dropped a couple pounds of water. The diet is going according to plan, and im actually finding it a little easier this time around. Usually during the first week or two of reduced intake my appetite is screaming, but this time i feel like i could easily miss a meal if i wasn't so attuned to my scheduling.

    I was considering taking a progress picture on the end of week 4 and posting the before-midway point. That way we can see what one bottle of each has the potential to do with a decent diet and hard work. I'll keep you all updated as this continues.
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    Update


    So I've been on this stack for a little while now, and its definitely kicking in. Im looking significantly more dry, and ive definitely lost a few lbs of fat. No sides to speak of except for slightly sore joints.

    Stay tuned for the midway progress pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    So I've been on this stack for a little while now, and its definitely kicking in. Im looking significantly more dry, and ive definitely lost a few lbs of fat. No sides to speak of except for slightly sore joints.
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    Update (With starting and current pics)


    Alright so this cut has been going pretty well, figured id show you guys my embarrassing beginning as well as my current progression. I always seem to get wayy over fat during the holiday season, and its until i take a few pictures do i realize it.

    Before




    The left picture is right before starting this stack, the right picture is ~3 weeks in. I realize i have some gyno, it was caused by being fat/overweight during puberty, not by anabolics.





    On a side note, ive recently increased my shift dosage to 4 caps a day. It seems things really kicked up once i bumped the dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    nice progress!
    Thanks man, for only a few weeks in i think its pretty decent results. Its a little subtle, but judging by the belly button region of each picture i can definitely see the fat loss. Now that i bumped up my shift dose i feel things are going to be much more impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Thanks man, for only a few weeks in i think its pretty decent results. Its a little subtle, but judging by the belly button region of each picture i can definitely see the fat loss. Now that i bumped up my shift dose i feel things are going to be much more impressive.
    The progress is definitely subtle, but there. Keep at it - I personally find that I start really seeing results, almost daily, once I hit the 8-week mark when I am wanting fat loss over anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    The progress is definitely subtle, but there. Keep at it - I personally find that I start really seeing results, almost daily, once I hit the 8-week mark when I am wanting fat loss over anything else.

    ~Rosie~
    Yeah, usually the closer i get to the "lean threshold" as Christian Thibaudeau describes it, i see faster results. I dont feel it has anything to do with the rate of fat lost being increased, but rather the region in body fat percentage where you generally look the same.


    - "It's most likely due to what I call the ''lean threshold.'' You see, there's a point (a certain body fat percentage) where you start to look lean (around 10% for most men). There's also a point where you start to look fat (around 18-20% for most men). Then in between you have a certain zone where you basically look the same; you aren't lean enough to look defined so you don't really have any muscle separation.

    At that point, even if you gain a few pounds of fat, you won't visually see the difference. This is compounded by the fact that you're seeing yourself every day, so you might not notice the small changes in appearance. Most men won't be able to see a visual difference in muscularity between 13 and 16%. But if you're 200 pounds, going from 13 to 16% body fat can mean a six pound gain in fat!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Yeah, usually the closer i get to the "lean threshold" as Christian Thibaudeau describes it, i see faster results. I dont feel it has anything to do with the rate of fat lost being increased, but rather the region in body fat percentage where you generally look the same.
    Remember also that the leaner you are when you lose bodyfat, the bigger the difference is going to appear than losing it at higher body compositions, so visibly seeing progress could just be because you have gotten to that point where even a -0.1% bodyfat is going to look huge. I'm not sure about the "lean threshold", but it also makes a huge difference knowing your body - for example, I can pretty much accurately guesstimate my body composition regardless of my scale weight or how I "feel".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Remember also that the leaner you are when you lose bodyfat, the bigger the difference is going to appear than losing it at higher body compositions, so visibly seeing progress could just be because you have gotten to that point where even a -0.1% bodyfat is going to look huge. I'm not sure about the "lean threshold", but it also makes a huge difference knowing your body - for example, I can pretty much accurately guesstimate my body composition regardless of my scale weight or how I "feel".

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    Of course. Either way, I'm following everything as planned, and things are going accordingly. Expect a more epic picture in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Of course. Either way, I'm following everything as planned, and things are going accordingly. Expect a more epic picture in the future.
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