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  1. I have a headache
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I have a headache
    Take some erase, works for me when I have a headache

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Let's be real here though, unless it is a synthetic compound in a lab being made for a pharma company, sometimes one piece of research is all there is to go on. So from there if there isn't enough research to support a product, usually that company takes the compound and does alpha and beta testing.

    For exampled, everyones beloved Divinil (Nettle) was based off of one study written in italian found by Matt of DS, and look at today.

    You have valid points of course, but some of the novel product out there have nearly zero research, and may have to go by the ayurvedic handbook, or chinese lore with anecdotal info to back you up.
    That's a fair assesment. Very few supplements have the scientific backing we would prefer, and I am by no means suggesting this particular product has less relative scientific support than any other. As you mentioned, many have no studies at all, and still others have studies showing their overwhelming negative effects, yet they are still marketed. My post was not related to PES or ERASE in any manner. I was simply aknowledging the OP's thirst for data/info in regards to any given product. I think threads like this one can be healthy and benificial for everyone, and often reflect what a product's outcome in the market may be on a longer timeline. In the end, the skeptics are the ones who applaud the loudest if you have a good product.

  4. im giving up.... ill try to post whatever i can find on google/other forums.... it seems as if some people on this forum frown on trying to find out more about a supplement.....

    hopefully bigt comes through with some bloodwork... and any others if they see this

    thanks for everyones help
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  5. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    im giving up.... ill try to post whatever i can find on google/other forums.... it seems as if some people on this forum frown on trying to find out more about a supplement.....

    hopefully bigt comes through with some bloodwork... and any others if they see this

    thanks for everyones help
    I have already said random people have posted bloods from Erase. I personally do not care to sift through 2 million posts to find it, but if you so desire you are more than welcome to do so.

    I don't think anyone is frowning on you trying to find information, but posting a thread and expecting everything to be hand delivered when the information is all around is ominous.

    And as for brow beating people for liking a product because they can feel it, why is that so bad? I like methylhexamine because I can feel it, yet I have no bloods to back it up. That is about how incongruous your statement about people feeling it really is.

    You have been given some research, that apparently you do not want to purchase to get proof, instead you want peoples uncontrolled bloods to make your stance. We are at an impasse at the moment, a catch-22.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by redemption79 View Post
    That's a fair assesment. Very few supplements have the scientific backing we would prefer, and I am by no means suggesting this particular product has less relative scientific support than any other. As you mentioned, many have no studies at all, and still others have studies showing their overwhelming negative effects, yet they are still marketed. My post was not related to PES or ERASE in any manner. I was simply aknowledging the OP's thirst for data/info in regards to any given product. I think threads like this one can be healthy and benificial for everyone, and often reflect what a product's outcome in the market may be on a longer timeline. In the end, the skeptics are the ones who applaud the loudest if you have a good product.
    I didn't take it toward PES, but in general.

    You have valid points, albeit that is just the nature of the industry. If one does wish to have all the research in the world available for a product on the market, then the supplement companies will need budgets of big pharma, which will then be regulated by the FDA. Much of what we have to go on it going to be anecdotal. That is the great thing about our country, people have the option to try something out when the anecdotal evidence is beneficial, or sit that one out.
    The Historic PES Legend

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I have already said random people have posted bloods from Erase. I personally do not care to sift through 2 million posts to find it, but if you so desire you are more than welcome to do so.

    youre a rep, why dont you do some work for your company and go find those bloods... i can wait..

    I don't think anyone is frowning on you trying to find information, but posting a thread and expecting everything to be hand delivered when the information is all around is ominous.

    im not expecting anything to be hand delivered and im not sure why your being such a prick...

    And as for brow beating people for liking a product because they can feel it, why is that so bad? I like methylhexamine because I can feel it, yet I have no bloods to back it up. That is about how incongruous your statement about people feeling it really is.

    you can feel methylhexamine (geranium) because it is a psychoactive drug... alot like amp if u ask me....

    i can agree with you that methylhexamine is something you can "feel".... but suggesting that you can "feel" a stimulant and an AI in a simmilar way is just arrogant.

    i did the same research about using geranium that i am with this one...... asking questions and asking for research... i went by peoples opinions and i ended up getting fcked.

    why do u see that as a bad thing? you know... for a rep you sound like you could care less about a customer trying to get information...

    You have been given some research, that apparently you do not want to purchase to get proof, instead you want peoples uncontrolled bloods to make your stance. We are at an impasse at the moment, a catch-22.

    i have been given limited research and im taking what i have into consideration... im also gunna see bloodwork... (but i am certainly not going to purchase anything else.

    my reason for being on this forum, is to ask questions and learn.... if some of the reps here view that as something negative, maybe we should all realize that these companies just dont want the consumer to find out the truth....
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i have been given limited research and im taking what i have into consideration... im also gunna see bloodwork... (but i am certainly not going to purchase anything else.

    my reason for being on this forum, is to ask questions and learn.... if some of the reps here view that as something negative, maybe we should all realize that these companies just dont want the consumer to find out the truth....
    I am a rep for PES, not your personal fetching lap dog.

    Your demeanor began as abrasive and condescending by posting your same question about BC in about 300 different erase threads. Then you came in here pimping that it didnt work and post 7-Keto research. You got pointed to the 3,7 research, but that wasn't enough. You got anecdotal feedback, but that wasn't enough because you dont trust PES, nor others feedback, nor the ability to feel a test boost, or drying effect of lowered estrogen. Then you asked for bloods because peoples uncontrolled blood spots are the holy grail, so I said they are on here and to search for it... but. You were pointed to research showing the affinity for aromatase via the Ki value, but again, research isn't good enough.

    I feel I have been quite civil with your condescending attitude, and pointing you in the direction to look as this is not my paying job and dont care to spend my precious time being your little fetching dog.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I am a rep for PES, not your personal fetching lap dog.

    Your demeanor began as abrasive and condescending by posting your same question about BC in about 300 different erase threads. Then you came in here pimping that it didnt work and post 7-Keto research. You got pointed to the 3,7 research, but that wasn't enough. You got anecdotal feedback, but that wasn't enough because you dont trust PES, nor others feedback, nor the ability to feel a test boost, or drying effect of lowered estrogen. Then you asked for bloods because peoples uncontrolled blood spots are the holy grail, so I said they are on here and to search for it... but. You were pointed to research showing the affinity for aromatase via the Ki value, but again, research isn't good enough.

    I feel I have been quite civil with your condescending attitude, and pointing you in the direction to look as this is not my paying job and dont care to spend my precious time being your little fetching dog.

    whatever bro u did nothing to help this thread.....
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  10. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    whatever bro u did nothing to help this thread.....
    Skepticism is fair, as a consumer I actually recommend it; however, DA is right. The approach you're taking is not one of discovery, but rather it comes across as something entirely different. I'm not saying that you're not out to discover the truth regarding this product, it just doesn't read that way to me. If this counts for anything (I'm not a rep), I have many friends who have ran Erase and leaned out quite a bit, some leaning out substantially. Good luck hunting, though I'm not so sure that that is what you're after, good luck nonetheless.

  11. here is what i WAS looking for... outside of the product write up backed in studies

    what % boost in test
    what % decrease in estrogen
    side effects
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  12. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    here is what i WAS looking for... outside of the product write up backed in studies

    what % boost in test
    what % decrease in estrogen
    side effects
    You're asking very specific questions that aren't relevant for a host of reasons, the most important being that PES never made "specific" claims relative to the questions you posed. If a company claims a 350% increase in test and a certain percentage relative to estro levels, then they'd have to backup that claim with studies and/or blood tests. Unless I'm missing something, PES made no such claims relative to numbers. I sincerely hope you find what you're looking for, though based on your questions and their specificity, you'd be better off giving the bottles you purchased to a friend, let him pay you for it and use the money to get him blood tests.

  13. Why are people even responding to this assclown?

    There are medical journals that have data on what you're looking for. If you want it, you can go to a Public/University library and look up that data. That is YOUR obligation is you so choose, no one elses, and the fact that you act like it is someone else's obligation is pathetic.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by dvp View Post
    Why are people even responding to this assclown?
    There are medical journals that have data on what you're looking for. If you want it, you can go to a Public/University library and look up that data. That is YOUR obligation is you so choose, no one elses, and the fact that you act like it is someone else's obligation is pathetic.
    dude, you just responded and nobody asked you for anything.....

    im not acting like it is anyone elses obligation, i simply started a thread and asked if anyone had this information/studies they could post up... if everyone did all their research at a public library, there would be no need for forums...

    not sure why you are putting in your negative opinion a week later.
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  15. And boom goes the dynamite

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I should add I saw a reduction in pubertal gyno while using it similiar to when using other ais like letro and
    exemestane
    Interesting, I am waiting for my bottle now, never used any AIs before mainly because after some research about ATD or 6 oxoand possibility that could block me. Main reason for using AI is I would love to get rid of my lipomastia, and have some problems with getting fat around belly (mostly over there) whenever I gained any muscle I allways got more fat.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by pablop View Post
    Interesting, I am waiting for my bottle now, never used any AIs before mainly because after some research about ATD or 6 oxoand possibility that could block me. Main reason for using AI is I would love to get rid of my lipomastia, and have some problems with getting fat around belly (mostly over there) whenever I gained any muscle I allways got more fat.
    If you are having trouble with belly fat try stacking Erase with Alpha-T2. The Rauwsolcine HCl found in Alpha-T2 targets belly fat. Works great w Erase
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I should add I saw a reduction in pubertal gyno while using it similiar to when using other ais like letro and
    exemestane
    Did this reduction last when you came off Erase and other AIs?

  19. How are sales going on Erase. I'm worried that this is going to be a product I like and it won't be available long term.

    I see ATD is already on the FDA chopping block.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    How are sales going on Erase. I'm worried that this is going to be a product I like and it won't be available long term.
    You should stock up, its well worth it

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    How are sales going on Erase. I'm worried that this is going to be a product I like and it won't be available long term.

    I see ATD is already on the FDA chopping block.
    ATD is not a natural DHEA metabolite like Erase is, though
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    How are sales going on Erase. I'm worried that this is going to be a product I like and it won't be available long term.

    I see ATD is already on the FDA chopping block.

    AS IF THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE BETTER THINGS TO SPEND THEIR TIME AND LIMITED RESOURCES ON!!!!!!
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  23. Definitely not reading this whole post, but incase you're looking for non-rep use, I just ran a bottle of erase after a 6 week SD/Epi bridge (which COMPLETELY shut me down in the past) and loved it. My PCT was Torem (as usual), Powerfull, Creatine Nitrate, and Erase. Erase was the only thing I did differently this cycle (besides extending the run from 4 to 6 weeks) and I can honestly say that PCT was a breeze.
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