CONFUSED ABOUT ERASE NEED HELP PLZ

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mmacrazy View Post
    I take erase. It's solid. I like it. Other people take it. It's solid. They like it.
    If you want to sell it for more then you paid for it then by all means go ahead, but turning this into a I wanna poo on some hard working companies head just because is not needed.
    Sorry but this thread is starting to look very similar to other threads where people crap on Usplabs.
    im not trying to poo on a company... im trying to learn about a substance before i use it... let me ask you some questions

    1, why do u like erase, because you FEEL like its working? if this is the case... youre crazy
    2. did u get bloodwork?
    3. did you take this without doing research and just going on the words of reps and reviews?


    i generally try not to take suggestions by word of mouth..

    come on guys, im not trying to make this something negative at all... i am simply trying to find some information about this.... im sure between all of us and some google, we might be able to find some bloods or something....

    ENOUGH WITH ALL THE BS
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html


  2. I'm ordering my buddy a bottle along with some DAA. He's trying to cut down a weight class for his MMA fighting before he makes his pro debut.
    If you'd like, I can add you to my contacts and you can hold onto that bottle for the next month. After he is done with his bottle, I can PM you his results or link you to a thread post.

    He has moved up and down weight classes numerous times, so he should have a pretty good feel on how this supplement will aide him in his goals.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    1. i am doing research, i started this thread to see what other people could help me gather...
    2. my training and diet are in check
    3. if i find good information on this on this product, (not from the company) and i decide to use it.... i WILL write a review
    i aint gonna be mad at ya for doubting the product, when it 1st came out we all had our doubts it would live up to it's claims. now that it's been out for awhile there are quite a few of us who really believe in the product.

    i use it as my ai on trt, and it has worked very well for me. haven't had blood drawn for awhile, but i do know it dried up a lot of the water weight i was holding from the test cyp.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  4. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you have been a member here for only a few months and reps are pm'ing you for positive reviews? i don't think i have ever had that happen, guess my opinion don't mean much.


    btw-in my humble opinion erase works great! pes is one of the most respected company's on this board. josh and dadams both have impeccable integrity.



    btw-welcome to the board!

    thanks for your opinion pal, and thanks for welcoming me to the board

    i agree that PES is one of the most respected companies here... but that doesnt mean much..

    for your information, it does not matter how long someone has been on a forum.... how do you know i havent been reading for the past 10 years taking notes on what works, and what doesnt??? ... exactly, you have no clue

    i would not post up a claim that reps have asked me for a positive review if it never happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  5. so far heres is what i have gathered about erase

    1. people think its works because they feelit
    2. by having doubts and/or asking questions about something i am somehow pooing on a company
    3. people like putting random supplements in their body due to hype
    4. nobody posted any studies or bloodwork
    5. safe to say i probably wont be using erase anytime soon

    inbox...

    Originally Posted by swollen87
    it is my understanding you are the owner of PES... let me first introduce myself, my name is andrew i am a nsca certified personal trainer... yes i am new to anabolicminds, but this does not make me clueless...

    i was on nutraplanet on newyrs and i happend to see a sale on erase... within a 5 minute search, i said screw it... ill buy it and if i dont use it i can always sell it for more...

    heres my issue... i am having a hard time finding information/bloodwork about the active ingredient in erase, i am not doubting you or your company, and i am certainly not trying to prevent you from making your money.... the question is, what information about this active ingredient made you use it for this product.... i have had reps from other companies make ridiculous claims about their products doing ridiculous things (had to delete this part to post it) ... im not trying to flame your company, im just having a problem finding any reputable information that isnt "hype"...

    do you have any good studies about 3,7?

    here is nattydisaster's response

    We discovered the compound based on studies on various DHEA derived aromatase inhibitors. The studies can be found only if you have subscribed journal access such as through a school or institution, or if you pay for them.

    We cannot give the studies out because they are not available to the public therefore if we give them to the public it is copywrite infringement on the journal



    i guess my ?s have been answered thanks to those of u who attempted to help....
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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  6. Everything solved?

    I linked you to 2 studies. I cannot actually give you the studies themselves. You would have to buy them from the journal
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  7. On paper and anecdotal reports back up the fact that the active in Erase is an AI. Just because there isnt as much blood work floating around doesnt mean it wont work, how many negative things have you even heard?

    A quote from Patrick Arnold when asked about a 6-oxo alternative - "the androsta-3,5-diene7,17-dione appears to have substantial AI properties on paper. i believe its in free test by AN and other products like erase by whoever"

  8. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    right, i get that.... it is a metabolite of 7 keto dhea... kind of like i said in my first post.... (i am far from a chemist) ...... still searching
    Bro, estradiol is a metabolite of testosterone, and they're completely different. Likewise, 3,7-keto is likely much different from 3-keto (but I dont know for sure, but just saying no reason to immediately doubt this from the reading).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    On paper and anecdotal reports back up the fact that the active in Erase is an AI. Just because there isnt as much blood work floating around doesnt mean it wont work, how many negative things have you even heard?

    A quote from Patrick Arnold when asked about a 6-oxo alternative - "the androsta-3,5-diene7,17-dione appears to have substantial AI properties on paper. i believe its in free test by AN and other products like erase by whoever"

    i havent heard, or said anything negative about erase, i am just questioning/researching its effectiveness as an ai.... since when did this become a bad thing?


    on the same forum you got that quote, i remember reading patrick arnold saying something along the lines of " PCT is overrated" and that "back in the day they didnt have it"

    the only way to know for sure if this ingredient is a decent AI... is to wait until people start bashing it for their raised estrogen levels on their bloodwork, or praising it for doing a good job regulating them....

    thebigt stated that he is on trt using test cyp and erase as an ai , i figure a good idea would be for him to post/relay his next blood test results for us to see... he agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Bro, estradiol is a metabolite of testosterone, and they're completely different. Likewise, 3,7-keto is likely much different from 3-keto (but I dont know for sure, but just saying no reason to immediately doubt this from the reading).

    confused again.... what was the point of this?
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  11. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Everything solved?

    I linked you to 2 studies. I cannot actually give you the studies themselves. You would have to buy them from the journal


    thank you for your help, wish i had that journal lol..........
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  12. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i havent heard, or said anything negative about erase, i am just questioning/researching its effectiveness as an ai.... since when did this become a bad thing?


    on the same forum you got that quote, i remember reading patrick arnold saying something along the lines of " PCT is overrated" and that "back in the day they didnt have it"

    the only way to know for sure if this ingredient is a decent AI... is to wait until people start bashing it for their raised estrogen levels on their bloodwork, or praising it for doing a good job regulating them....

    thebigt stated that he is on trt using test cyp and erase as an ai , i figure a good idea would be for him to post/relay his next blood test results for us to see... he agreed
    Who ever said this was a bad thing? Im all for challenging some of the new things that are being touted as ergogenics, but in this case im just playing devils advocate.

    Im sure if PA did state that in regards to PCT, youre taking it out of context. Theres threads on people asking him about pct, heres a response to one - "basically start with a serm and then go to an aromatase inhibitor." And there was a point in time when PCT didnt exist, but people didnt know as much back then.

    Id be curious to see bigTs blood tests as well if Erase is the only form of e-control in the mix.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i havent heard, or said anything negative about erase, i am just questioning/researching its effectiveness as an ai.... since when did this become a bad thing?


    on the same forum you got that quote, i remember reading patrick arnold saying something along the lines of " PCT is overrated" and that "back in the day they didnt have it"

    the only way to know for sure if this ingredient is a decent AI... is to wait until people start bashing it for their raised estrogen levels on their bloodwork, or praising it for doing a good job regulating them....

    thebigt stated that he is on trt using test cyp and erase as an ai , i figure a good idea would be for him to post/relay his next blood test results for us to see... he agreed
    absolutely, i wouldn't have it any other way-if i can pass on usefull info to this forum not only would it be my honor to do so but i would consider it my obligation-with that being said it might be awhile in coming, since being on trt for awhile now my bloods are only scheduled for every 6 months
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  14. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    absolutely, i wouldn't have it any other way-if i can pass on usefull info to this forum not only would it be my honor to do so but i would consider it my obligation-with that being said it might be awhile in coming, since being on trt for awhile now my bloods are only scheduled for every 6 months

    are you using any other type of e control?
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  15. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    heres the thing tho, how do i know who is actually loving it because they got sent a free bottle from a rep? (i have actually been pmed by reps here to post something positive about their product)

    is there any "non-sponsored" reputable bloodwork for erase?

    or is it just a bunch of people saying "i can tell its working, because i feel it"

    do you happen to know of any studies or pre-post bloodwork ??
    I pmed you to see if you could give a review of a supplement. Nowhere sid I say "good" or ask you to be dishonest or offer you compensation. Just wanted an honest review.

    I have used 4 bottles of erase and it worked great. I don't rep for PES.

    I should add I saw a reduction in pubertal gyno while using it similiar to when using other ais like letro and
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  16. i didnt mention your name or pp in this thread.... and maybe i wasnt referring to you when i said rep(S).... and while you may not have asked me for a dishonest review you asked for a shoutout, (generally a shoutout means something positive)

    you asked me to give a "shoutout/review".... and then gave me a promotion code to get 15% off my next bottle of liverjuice

    i had no problem posting something up about liverjuice, because i have used the product, and had bloodwork done ... i like the product, and so does my liver... (not because i can feel my liver) but because i had bloodwork done after a 6 week dzine cycle and my liver was in good shape...

    but you are not the rep that i was referring to, just to make it clear.... and im not about to go throwing people under the bus, im not about that.... my point was...

    As a rep, you promote the products your company produces.... PERIOD....

    one thing to remember when buying supplements,

    most companies wouldnt let the truth get in the way of a good sale....
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    are you using any other type of e control?
    other than a run of formastanzol i did a few months ago erase is the only ai i am using.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  18. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    other than a run of formastanzol i did a few months ago erase is the only ai i am using.
    Not to Hijack, but how was that?

    Also the the OP: There are plenty of people on here digging Erase. Reps, reps from other companies and regular members.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Not to Hijack, but how was that?

    Also the the OP: There are plenty of people on here digging Erase. Reps, reps from other companies and regular members.
    i really liked it alot-my new favorite formestane product. since it is hormonal i will only run it maybe twice a year. i you are looking for a formestane product it is the one i would recommend. if looking for an oral formestane, i would go with pp's formestane lv-not nearly as strong but much more convenient, imo.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  20. Quote Originally Posted by islandmagic View Post
    holy fing cow this same BS I see all the dam time oh is this product good just try it write your review good or bad.. for all you folks who want to buy supps do the following

    1.research
    2. have your training and diet in check
    3 write a review... if you want too...

    why is that so hard!
    Where do you reccomend he research? Let's be realistic here. Alot of these supplements have little to no specific research with clear outcome. Since the majority of the science community is NOT interested in studying supplements solely from a bodybuilder's point of view, it can be hard to find studies that are not carried out or at least sponsored by an organization that will benifit from the outcome. While single studies on some supplements can be found, basing a final conclusion on ONE study is quite naive. Allowing a study to move you in a certain direction towards further clarifying a supplement's effect (perhaps by further research, personal trial, or communication with others who have experience) seems like an intelligent approach IMO.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with someone looking for affirmation before using a product, and I think it would nothing less than silly to get that from a product's write up. I read write ups too, but few products ever live up to a manufacturer's claim at the level suggested on the label.
    I have never received a PM from a rep in regards to my reveiw of a product that I can remember. I do think 90% of supplement reveiws are done by people who want to beleive the product works, and as a result the reveiws often fall victum to placebo effect, or even the reveiwer's want to be liked by forum members or companies. How often do you see reveiws that state "this product didnt work at all"? Seldom do products get all negative reveiws. Compare that to the number of products that have been proven to be useless or even harmless over the past few years... There were obviously people who beleived a product helped them, when it (in some cases) most likely didnt.

    I'm not sure if the OP is going to find the confirmation he's looking for here. He may just have to make a descision based on the info he already has, but I certainly wouldn't fault him for trying to further his knowledge as much as possible. "Just try it" is an attitude that is likely to put you in a bad situation down the road.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by redemption79 View Post
    I'm not sure if the OP is going to find the confirmation he's looking for here. He may just have to make a descision based on the info he already has, but I certainly wouldn't fault him for trying to further his knowledge as much as possible. "Just try it" is an attitude that is likely to put you in a bad situation down the road.
    He should have posted this outside of the PES forum. Then more members could chime in.
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  22. I think you're thread is confusing people. Most guys on here, buy a supplement, use it, and if they don't like it, they don't use it again, simple. Just take and draw you're own conclusions. You already bought it and it's not like you spent thousands of dollars on it. It's great that you are trying to research a product before taking it. I think you are getting a little attitude from people because for what it is, you are making it complicated.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by redemption79 View Post
    Where do you reccomend he research? Let's be realistic here. Alot of these supplements have little to no specific research with clear outcome. Since the majority of the science community is NOT interested in studying supplements solely from a bodybuilder's point of view, it can be hard to find studies that are not carried out or at least sponsored by an organization that will benifit from the outcome. While single studies on some supplements can be found, basing a final conclusion on ONE study is quite naive. Allowing a study to move you in a certain direction towards further clarifying a supplement's effect (perhaps by further research, personal trial, or communication with others who have experience) seems like an intelligent approach IMO.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with someone looking for affirmation before using a product, and I think it would nothing less than silly to get that from a product's write up. I read write ups too, but few products ever live up to a manufacturer's claim at the level suggested on the label.
    I have never received a PM from a rep in regards to my reveiw of a product that I can remember. I do think 90% of supplement reveiws are done by people who want to beleive the product works, and as a result the reveiws often fall victum to placebo effect, or even the reveiwer's want to be liked by forum members or companies. How often do you see reveiws that state "this product didnt work at all"? Seldom do products get all negative reveiws. Compare that to the number of products that have been proven to be useless or even harmless over the past few years... There were obviously people who beleived a product helped them, when it (in some cases) most likely didnt.

    I'm not sure if the OP is going to find the confirmation he's looking for here. He may just have to make a descision based on the info he already has, but I certainly wouldn't fault him for trying to further his knowledge as much as possible. "Just try it" is an attitude that is likely to put you in a bad situation down the road.
    ^ this
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  24. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    ^ this
    I am confused on why you highlighted that line in this Erase thread? We made no claims that you will boost your test 347% or even with aT2, we didnt claim you will lose 30 pounds in 30 days. Our bottles and write up state the MOA and the results from there without quantitative effects. Why? Because everyone is different and stating you will gain 15 pounds in a given amount of time is just lying.
    The Historic PES Legend

  25. Quote Originally Posted by redemption79 View Post
    Where do you reccomend he research? Let's be realistic here. Alot of these supplements have little to no specific research with clear outcome. Since the majority of the science community is NOT interested in studying supplements solely from a bodybuilder's point of view, it can be hard to find studies that are not carried out or at least sponsored by an organization that will benifit from the outcome. While single studies on some supplements can be found, basing a final conclusion on ONE study is quite naive. Allowing a study to move you in a certain direction towards further clarifying a supplement's effect (perhaps by further research, personal trial, or communication with others who have experience) seems like an intelligent approach IMO.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with someone looking for affirmation before using a product, and I think it would nothing less than silly to get that from a product's write up. I read write ups too, but few products ever live up to a manufacturer's claim at the level suggested on the label.
    I have never received a PM from a rep in regards to my reveiw of a product that I can remember. I do think 90% of supplement reveiws are done by people who want to beleive the product works, and as a result the reveiws often fall victum to placebo effect, or even the reveiwer's want to be liked by forum members or companies. How often do you see reveiws that state "this product didnt work at all"? Seldom do products get all negative reveiws. Compare that to the number of products that have been proven to be useless or even harmless over the past few years... There were obviously people who beleived a product helped them, when it (in some cases) most likely didnt.

    I'm not sure if the OP is going to find the confirmation he's looking for here. He may just have to make a descision based on the info he already has, but I certainly wouldn't fault him for trying to further his knowledge as much as possible. "Just try it" is an attitude that is likely to put you in a bad situation down the road.
    You are right on this.. I want to say I am sorry if I came at it like a hole.. But I have access to the medical journals ( I work for the oldest medical journals in world over 200 yers old google it then you know) funny I was looking for read on studies about 3,7 I can not find it..

    PES rep can you tell me what Journal it is in so I can take look I can name about 20 diff ones... I have access to most of them...

  26. Quote Originally Posted by redemption79 View Post
    Where do you reccomend he research? Let's be realistic here. Alot of these supplements have little to no specific research with clear outcome. Since the majority of the science community is NOT interested in studying supplements solely from a bodybuilder's point of view, it can be hard to find studies that are not carried out or at least sponsored by an organization that will benifit from the outcome. While single studies on some supplements can be found, basing a final conclusion on ONE study is quite naive. Allowing a study to move you in a certain direction towards further clarifying a supplement's effect (perhaps by further research, personal trial, or communication with others who have experience) seems like an intelligent approach IMO.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with someone looking for affirmation before using a product, and I think it would nothing less than silly to get that from a product's write up. I read write ups too, but few products ever live up to a manufacturer's claim at the level suggested on the label.
    I have never received a PM from a rep in regards to my reveiw of a product that I can remember. I do think 90% of supplement reveiws are done by people who want to beleive the product works, and as a result the reveiws often fall victum to placebo effect, or even the reveiwer's want to be liked by forum members or companies. How often do you see reveiws that state "this product didnt work at all"? Seldom do products get all negative reveiws. Compare that to the number of products that have been proven to be useless or even harmless over the past few years... There were obviously people who beleived a product helped them, when it (in some cases) most likely didnt.

    I'm not sure if the OP is going to find the confirmation he's looking for here. He may just have to make a descision based on the info he already has, but I certainly wouldn't fault him for trying to further his knowledge as much as possible. "Just try it" is an attitude that is likely to put you in a bad situation down the road.
    Let's be real here though, unless it is a synthetic compound in a lab being made for a pharma company, sometimes one piece of research is all there is to go on. So from there if there isn't enough research to support a product, usually that company takes the compound and does alpha and beta testing.

    For exampled, everyones beloved Divinil (Nettle) was based off of one study written in italian found by Matt of DS, and look at today.

    You have valid points of course, but some of the novel product out there have nearly zero research, and may have to go by the ayurvedic handbook, or chinese lore with anecdotal info to back you up.
    The Historic PES Legend

  27. Quote Originally Posted by islandmagic View Post
    You are right on this.. I want to say I am sorry if I came at it like a hole.. But I have access to the medical journals ( I work for the oldest medical journals in world over 200 yers old google it then you know) funny I was looking for read on studies about 3,7 I can not find it..

    PES rep can you tell me what Journal it is in so I can take look I can name about 20 diff ones... I have access to most of them...
    I do not have it on hand, but if you PM NattyD, he most certainly does.
    The Historic PES Legend

  28. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I do not have it on hand, but if you PM NattyD, he most certainly does.
    I have got 2 bottles to try.. I have seen what it can do.,, I can not wait@
    PM on it's way!

  29. So did I miss anyone elses concern? I am in the middle of a masters thesis and only skimmed.
    The Historic PES Legend

  30. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    So did I miss anyone elses concern? I am in the middle of a masters thesis and only skimmed.
    you are good love you!!!!
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