CONFUSED ABOUT ERASE NEED HELP PLZ
- 01-29-2011, 07:15 PM
1, why do u like erase, because you FEEL like its working? if this is the case... youre crazy
2. did u get bloodwork?
3. did you take this without doing research and just going on the words of reps and reviews?
i generally try not to take suggestions by word of mouth..
come on guys, im not trying to make this something negative at all... i am simply trying to find some information about this.... im sure between all of us and some google, we might be able to find some bloods or something....
ENOUGH WITH ALL THE BS
- 01-29-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm ordering my buddy a bottle along with some DAA. He's trying to cut down a weight class for his MMA fighting before he makes his pro debut.
If you'd like, I can add you to my contacts and you can hold onto that bottle for the next month. After he is done with his bottle, I can PM you his results or link you to a thread post.
He has moved up and down weight classes numerous times, so he should have a pretty good feel on how this supplement will aide him in his goals.
- 01-29-2011, 08:10 PM
i use it as my ai on trt, and it has worked very well for me. haven't had blood drawn for awhile, but i do know it dried up a lot of the water weight i was holding from the test cyp.
01-29-2011, 09:48 PM
thanks for your opinion pal, and thanks for welcoming me to the board
i agree that PES is one of the most respected companies here... but that doesnt mean much..
for your information, it does not matter how long someone has been on a forum.... how do you know i havent been reading for the past 10 years taking notes on what works, and what doesnt??? ... exactly, you have no clue
i would not post up a claim that reps have asked me for a positive review if it never happened.
01-29-2011, 10:15 PM
so far heres is what i have gathered about erase
1. people think its works because they feelit
2. by having doubts and/or asking questions about something i am somehow pooing on a company
3. people like putting random supplements in their body due to hype
4. nobody posted any studies or bloodwork
5. safe to say i probably wont be using erase anytime soon
Originally Posted by swollen87
it is my understanding you are the owner of PES... let me first introduce myself, my name is andrew i am a nsca certified personal trainer... yes i am new to anabolicminds, but this does not make me clueless...
i was on nutraplanet on newyrs and i happend to see a sale on erase... within a 5 minute search, i said screw it... ill buy it and if i dont use it i can always sell it for more...
heres my issue... i am having a hard time finding information/bloodwork about the active ingredient in erase, i am not doubting you or your company, and i am certainly not trying to prevent you from making your money.... the question is, what information about this active ingredient made you use it for this product.... i have had reps from other companies make ridiculous claims about their products doing ridiculous things (had to delete this part to post it) ... im not trying to flame your company, im just having a problem finding any reputable information that isnt "hype"...
do you have any good studies about 3,7?
here is nattydisaster's response
We discovered the compound based on studies on various DHEA derived aromatase inhibitors. The studies can be found only if you have subscribed journal access such as through a school or institution, or if you pay for them.
We cannot give the studies out because they are not available to the public therefore if we give them to the public it is copywrite infringement on the journal
i guess my ?s have been answered thanks to those of u who attempted to help....
01-29-2011, 10:20 PM
01-29-2011, 11:00 PM
On paper and anecdotal reports back up the fact that the active in Erase is an AI. Just because there isnt as much blood work floating around doesnt mean it wont work, how many negative things have you even heard?
A quote from Patrick Arnold when asked about a 6-oxo alternative - "the androsta-3,5-diene7,17-dione appears to have substantial AI properties on paper. i believe its in free test by AN and other products like erase by whoever"
01-29-2011, 11:01 PM
01-29-2011, 11:26 PM
i havent heard, or said anything negative about erase, i am just questioning/researching its effectiveness as an ai.... since when did this become a bad thing?
on the same forum you got that quote, i remember reading patrick arnold saying something along the lines of " PCT is overrated" and that "back in the day they didnt have it"
the only way to know for sure if this ingredient is a decent AI... is to wait until people start bashing it for their raised estrogen levels on their bloodwork, or praising it for doing a good job regulating them....
thebigt stated that he is on trt using test cyp and erase as an ai , i figure a good idea would be for him to post/relay his next blood test results for us to see... he agreed
01-29-2011, 11:28 PM
01-29-2011, 11:30 PM
01-30-2011, 12:00 AM
Im sure if PA did state that in regards to PCT, youre taking it out of context. Theres threads on people asking him about pct, heres a response to one - "basically start with a serm and then go to an aromatase inhibitor." And there was a point in time when PCT didnt exist, but people didnt know as much back then.
Id be curious to see bigTs blood tests as well if Erase is the only form of e-control in the mix.
01-30-2011, 01:22 PM
01-30-2011, 01:34 PM
01-30-2011, 01:46 PM
I have used 4 bottles of erase and it worked great. I don't rep for PES.
I should add I saw a reduction in pubertal gyno while using it similiar to when using other ais like letro and
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01-30-2011, 02:02 PM
i didnt mention your name or pp in this thread.... and maybe i wasnt referring to you when i said rep(S).... and while you may not have asked me for a dishonest review you asked for a shoutout, (generally a shoutout means something positive)
you asked me to give a "shoutout/review".... and then gave me a promotion code to get 15% off my next bottle of liverjuice
i had no problem posting something up about liverjuice, because i have used the product, and had bloodwork done ... i like the product, and so does my liver... (not because i can feel my liver) but because i had bloodwork done after a 6 week dzine cycle and my liver was in good shape...
but you are not the rep that i was referring to, just to make it clear.... and im not about to go throwing people under the bus, im not about that.... my point was...
As a rep, you promote the products your company produces.... PERIOD....
one thing to remember when buying supplements,
most companies wouldnt let the truth get in the way of a good sale....
01-30-2011, 02:05 PM
01-30-2011, 02:31 PM
01-30-2011, 02:44 PM
01-30-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with someone looking for affirmation before using a product, and I think it would nothing less than silly to get that from a product's write up. I read write ups too, but few products ever live up to a manufacturer's claim at the level suggested on the label.
I have never received a PM from a rep in regards to my reveiw of a product that I can remember. I do think 90% of supplement reveiws are done by people who want to beleive the product works, and as a result the reveiws often fall victum to placebo effect, or even the reveiwer's want to be liked by forum members or companies. How often do you see reveiws that state "this product didnt work at all"? Seldom do products get all negative reveiws. Compare that to the number of products that have been proven to be useless or even harmless over the past few years... There were obviously people who beleived a product helped them, when it (in some cases) most likely didnt.
I'm not sure if the OP is going to find the confirmation he's looking for here. He may just have to make a descision based on the info he already has, but I certainly wouldn't fault him for trying to further his knowledge as much as possible. "Just try it" is an attitude that is likely to put you in a bad situation down the road.
01-30-2011, 02:53 PM
01-30-2011, 02:58 PM
I think you're thread is confusing people. Most guys on here, buy a supplement, use it, and if they don't like it, they don't use it again, simple. Just take and draw you're own conclusions. You already bought it and it's not like you spent thousands of dollars on it. It's great that you are trying to research a product before taking it. I think you are getting a little attitude from people because for what it is, you are making it complicated.
01-30-2011, 06:07 PM
01-30-2011, 06:28 PM
The Historic PES Legend
01-30-2011, 06:33 PM
PES rep can you tell me what Journal it is in so I can take look I can name about 20 diff ones... I have access to most of them...
01-30-2011, 06:35 PM
For exampled, everyones beloved Divinil (Nettle) was based off of one study written in italian found by Matt of DS, and look at today.
You have valid points of course, but some of the novel product out there have nearly zero research, and may have to go by the ayurvedic handbook, or chinese lore with anecdotal info to back you up.
The Historic PES Legend
01-30-2011, 06:36 PM
01-30-2011, 06:39 PM
01-30-2011, 06:44 PM
So did I miss anyone elses concern? I am in the middle of a masters thesis and only skimmed.
The Historic PES Legend
01-30-2011, 06:47 PM
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