[john123131]

Originally Posted by JJC

I don't think you're following along carefully enough. At the time of production, Aspire was tested for the 3 KNOWN analogs...Vardenafil, Sildenafil, and Tadalafil.

Apparently there are other analogs that were unbeknownst until after the initial testing was done.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later

[matthew76]

Yeah - you better try later! :wink2:

Originally Posted by john123131

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later

[babyblu]

Originally Posted by JJC

I don't think you're following along carefully enough. At the time of production, Aspire was tested for the 3 KNOWN analogs...Vardenafil, Sildenafil, and Tadalafil.

Apparently there are other analogs that were unbeknownst until after the initial testing was done.

No I dont think you are following. The FDA release states "Palo Alto Labs conducts stringent quality control testing on both raw materials and finished products. Previous testing protocols did not include a test for the presence of Aildenafil or sulfoaildenafil but Palo Alto Labs assures consumers that this deficiency has been rectified." It does NOT say that Aildenafil or sulfoaildenafil were previously UNKNOWN substances or could not be tested for. Someone tested the product and found these substances so there was a test for it; were these substances just discovered and newly named?? No. And PAL (and I applaud them for their reaction to this incident) immediately instituted testing for those 2 substances because there is a method of testing.

Again I am not trying to bash PAL. I applaud them for their quick action here. I work for a supplement company so I am aware of the potential dangers that can arise when you purchase your raw materials from China. But dont say I dont understand what occured here.

bb

[jmh80]

Agree with you Baby - those compounds weren't unknown it seems.

[Palo Alto Labs]

We use multiple labs for testing our products...

we had never heard of either compound, nor did either of our 3 testing labs

initially, we tested for all known analogs, including dimethyl sildenafil which came back negative

the fda says there is dimethyl sildenafil thoine and Aildenafil in aspire

dimethyl sildenafil thoine is something that the FDA said they discovered in late 2007 as a analog

Aildenafil is a pde-5 inhibitor that, again, is news to us and our labs, but works on similar mechanisms

so we tested for all known analogs, i even posted our test that showed all of the analogs that we tested for. the ones that the FDA are showing as active were not publicly known analogs, which is why none of our 3rd party labs tested for it.

[matthew76]

Dave - I know PAL did everything in their power to bring the safest OTC ED supplement to consumers without misleading jargon. It's sad that this happened, but in NO way will I ever see PAL as an untrust-worthy company. You guys just keep up the fight!

[bLacKjAck.]

Originally Posted by babyblu

No I dont think you are following. The FDA release states "Palo Alto Labs conducts stringent quality control testing on both raw materials and finished products. Previous testing protocols did not include a test for the presence of Aildenafil or sulfoaildenafil but Palo Alto Labs assures consumers that this deficiency has been rectified." It does NOT say that Aildenafil or sulfoaildenafil were previously UNKNOWN substances or could not be tested for. Someone tested the product and found these substances so there was a test for it; were these substances just discovered and newly named?? No. And PAL (and I applaud them for their reaction to this incident) immediately instituted testing for those 2 substances because there is a method of testing.

Again I am not trying to bash PAL. I applaud them for their quick action here. I work for a supplement company so I am aware of the potential dangers that can arise when you purchase your raw materials from China. But dont say I dont understand what occured here.

bb

So what company do you work for?

[jmh80]

I don't think he does (at least that I know of), Black.

[ShakesAllDay]

Originally Posted by bLacKjAck.

So what company do you work for?

IIRC, Z-supps.

I agree that the OP may have acted in a manner constituting a ban.

BUT, there are many creatures in the sea, and I smell fish.

[babyblu]

Originally Posted by bLacKjAck.

So what company do you work for?

Do the rules prohibit that? I dont want to illegally "advertise" here, although I do think we will be coming on very soon as a board sponsor.

bb

[Palo Alto Labs]

Originally Posted by babyblu

Do the rules prohibit that? I dont want to illegally "advertise" here, although I do think we will be coming on very soon as a board sponsor.

bb

i think he was just curious.. no worries

[GuyverX]

Originally Posted by bioman

Unreal. Just unreal. That's what makes me hesitate in forming a supplement company of my own. It's not as easy as mixing up some good herbal mixes anymore thanks to turds like that.

ditto

[Snake_Plisken]

Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs

We use multiple labs for testing our products...

we had never heard of either compound, nor did either of our 3 testing labs

initially, we tested for all known analogs, including dimethyl sildenafil which came back negative

the fda says there is dimethyl sildenafil thoine and Aildenafil in aspire

dimethyl sildenafil thoine is something that the FDA said they discovered in late 2007 as a analog

Aildenafil is a pde-5 inhibitor that, again, is news to us and our labs, but works on similar mechanisms

so we tested for all known analogs, i even posted our test that showed all of the analogs that we tested for. the ones that the FDA are showing as active were not publicly known analogs, which is why none of our 3rd party labs tested for it.

So which one of the herbal ingredients was contaminated with these drugs?

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by Snake_Plisken

So which one of the herbal ingredients was contaminated with these drugs?

what diff does it makes knowing wichone was the tainted raw ? ? its not being produced anymore