I've come to the realization that PS/PH's are a F"ing joke!!
I'm in a cycle now and it is my last. If I ever do another cycle it will be a 12 week Test Only. Barring that, it's back to Fish Oil, Multi and BCAA's, which along with good diet, is where all my real gains ever came from anyway.
So, if you're a skinny fat guy who gets all giddy about 20# of water weight and a little extra strenght, and if you don't mind those sides, PH,PS suppliers want you baby!
For anyone else, I highly recommend not putting your toe in the AAS water. Either jump in head first or just stay dry. That middle ground is not worth it.