Propecia/Finasteride - Inhibit Muscle Growth/Strength?
09-29-2008 09:58 AM
some of you guys have clearly been on the crack pipe....from doctor reports and studies. finastride has a twist, around 1 percent of users have either erectile dysfunction, gynecomastia (breast gland enlargement). from using it!....... finastride at 1mg only has been shown to affect mens hair growth. never though has it been known that someone who lost there hair grew it back! its known to impede ones hair growth. it does stop it and slow it down but thats it.
09-29-2008 10:07 AM
Originally Posted by Dmanavar
False. My hair grew back.
09-29-2008 10:11 AM
Also have to disagree. In many men, hair loss is often as perceived as it is real. The hair follicles actually begin to "starve" so to speak and shrink in size giving an appearance of less hair even if the number of follicles is the same. Fina has definitely been proven to fill these follicles out again. Regardless of if it generates new follicles or not (which is debated), the net effect is the same, you have more hair.
Originally Posted by Dmanavar
09-30-2008 12:57 AM
so did mine,big time.... check out my pics. sex what sh!tty though. now with topical dht blockers do topicals lower blood dht levels significantly? The reason i ask this is because minoxdil lowers blood pressure even when applied topically. when i was on fina it seemed like my chest for fatter not glandular growth but just fat tissue around the chest valcularity was down too.
Originally Posted by Rugger
09-30-2008 01:45 PM
depends what mate... some do go systemic some don't.
Originally Posted by repmks
Keep an eye on RPN's forum - they have something called virile mane on the way out (write up should appear soon now that the olympia is over) and it sounds like it might fit the bill perfectly for you.
minoxidil *shouldn't* have much effect on blood pressure unless much more than the 1ml is used - the amount that can enter the blood is way below the effective dose used for lowering BP. Not to say it won't though, everyone reacts differently. I personally use about 3ml once per day (diffuse thinning = pain in the arse) and blood pressure has been unaffected. It's actually slightly up on last year. Go figure lol.
and yeah, as the others have said fin can indeed grow back hair for some. Thickening of existing hair is the main mechanism of improvement though.
01-27-2010 11:45 AM
Hey guys, Propecia (finistride) is posion, dont ever take it. Talking from experince, the side effects will come up gradually. Propecia does help help hair, that true, but the negative effects far outweigh the positive effects. I have always been slim, at 9st, trained 3 to 4 months about 18 months ago, and put on a 1stone in muscle. Now after taking propecia, train harder, eating more, but can put the same size at all, muscles are less hard, and have a slight lower belly, and I am exhausted most of the time. Other people have reported major side effects, sexually etc, so anyone thinking getting this, please dont. If ur hair goes, it goes man! DHT levels are lowered significantly.
01-27-2010 03:48 PM
Hmmm, got on this finasteride a few weeks ago. No sides, yet... Doc gave me script for 5 mg once a day starting out.
No 1mg from him, lol. MPB in family is strong. Minoxidil only slowed down the loss for the past 9 to 10 months. I will watch med sides carefully since I can handle going bald better than anything else...
01-27-2010 07:30 PM
Dude, drop it down to 1mg. 5mg is total overkill and the only reason your doc prescribed 5mg was so that you could get the generic Proscar for cheap and have it covered by your insurance (insurance companies won't cover the 1mg Propecia tab for hairloss as it is a cosmetic issue, but they will cover the 5mg Proscar tab for "prostate enlargement"). You're just throwing the stuff away and risking higher side effects.
Originally Posted by mildot
01-28-2010 02:16 AM
Gator has it right. There are NO benefits to taking such a high dosage. Your doctor is saving you a ton of cash by letting you buy Proscar or generic Finasteride 5mg which is inexplicably much cheaper than 1mg Propecia. Buy a pill splitter and cut it into quarters so your dosage will be 1.25mg. That's pretty much what everyone does.
Originally Posted by Gator 87
02-26-2010 12:39 PM
I'm an older guy been on either finasteride or dutasteride for about 12 years for BOTH male pattern hairloss and prostatic hypertrophy. I'm more of a strength and endurance athlete, not into bulking up. (XC ski racing and Mtn bike racing) I noticed that on smaller doses (finasteride 1-2mg daily or dutasteride .5mg every 3 or 4 days) I didn't seem to notice effects on fat deposition or endurance but over the past two years I have upped the dose (because prostate problem is a bit worse...waking up at night to pee etc) and have noticed more abdominal fat and slight endurance loss in spite of just as much or more exercise.
I too wonder about deliterous effect of lack of DHT on muscle. Manufacturer says DHT mainly present in skin, hair and prostate, but if its present here it must also be present in muscle and other cells. Unfortunately no studies in medical literature that I could find, just anecdotal reports like mine and others posted. I don't think deliterous effects are huge. I think they're more subtle which is why its going to take some time to answer question definitively. Personaly, I think I'm going to go back to a lower dose and if my prostate flares back up I'll start on other prostate meds that work a different way (ie flomax) or else have surgery.
02-26-2010 01:34 PM
That stuff is BAD NEWS, systematic dht is not something you want to reduce in a male body for mere cosmetic issues. This stuff has very real irreversable sexual side effects. Without normal DHT levels don't expect to feel great, as in serious lethargy. It's a very important CNS stimulator, that strengthens the immune system, and provides males with needed aggression, and vitality. DHT balances estrogen in the body, when you reduce it, an imbalance occurs. This will cause estrogen to dominate, and cause weight gain around the hips, breast enlargement, water retention, and emotional changes. Your body is slowly turning into a woman, is the reality of it. You will lose your hair one day no matter what you do, if its in your genetic disposition. This is not something you can prevent, but can only delay. Search the internet on the subject, it's there.
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03-26-2010 03:10 PM
finasteride decreases test count and dht and thus increases estrogen. u will lose muscle if u r on it 4 a long time..........
03-26-2010 04:14 PM
This is not a true statement.
Originally Posted by wellsoci
Finasteride inhibits the conversion of testosterone into DHT by blocking the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. This actually causes an INCREASE in testosterone, because your Test is being "saved" from conversion into DHT.
I've been on finasteride for nearly 10 years, and I had my testosterone levels checked in January for the first time (before I'd run any cycles of anything) and my Test levels were at 749, and I'm 37.
04-01-2010 08:15 PM
greaser, did you test dht and estrogen too?
04-02-2010 07:45 PM
No, but I'll be getting bloodwork for testosterone and estrodiol in a few weeks for PCT. But this is coming off a run of Hdrol and Dermacrine, so I don't think the numbers will say much about the effect of Finasteride.
Originally Posted by ramschi
04-25-2010 04:59 PM
Propecia is POISON. I've been off the drug for 8 years since I was 20..I'm about 28 now and still have persistent sexual side effects..NO libidio, no energy(Highly legarthis), GYNO, more FAT around my body....I only took it for 9 weeks..I noticed the sexual side effects on the 8-9th week and immediately stopped and haven't recovered.
Go to propeciahelp.com if you don't believe me...1612 registered users.
This stuff needs to be taken off the market for hairloss...For prostate issues, ok i can see the need if your older...For someone in their 20's, it's a ridiculous drug to take.
There is plenty of articles stating how important DHT is for the Central Nervous system. Finasteride eventually negatively affects testosterone levels, LH, FSH, DHEA, Prolacitin, Free Testosterone, and Estrogen & Estradial(E2) levels.
Again, if you don't believe me, go to propeciahelp.com and look at all of the hormone tests and bloodwork. There is plenty, trust me.
Finasteride has proven to decimate DHT metabolites (3 alpha androstandiol glucoride)
This is the DHT that is present in your prostate, testes, and spinal cord. Looking on the website, you will see many members with subnormal levels of 3-alpha androstandediol glucoride. It is the best marker for 5 AR II activity. Just checking DHT levels is not good enough because some of it is located in 5 AR I(30%). Finasteride blocks 5 AR II where (70%) of DHT is located in vital parts of the human body. We've done the research, countless days and nights...
04-26-2010 08:21 AM
Originally Posted by anabolicJ
propecia = poison.
04-27-2010 08:52 AM
Has anyone tried Polysorbate 80?
04-27-2010 11:58 PM
Now This is the stuff that scares me.
Here is my deal, I am fatty mc fat face/newbie. I have let myself go for about 7 years. I have been so busy with my career, Marriage, Kids that I have just fd up. The Wife just had baby #3 and it is time for me to get after it. I changed my diet to clean meals, and have been working out. So far since 4-16 I have dropped from 252 to 239(not great i know). I have high cholesterol so I am worried about what to take.
First i was thinking of taking a cleanse. Anyone heard or taken the Herbal Cleanse from advocare?
after the 10 day cleanse i'm gonna run cycle assist+inhibit-e+alpha-t2+jack3d
in may i head back to the field and i will be super busy again but I plan on fitting in 4 days a week + for the gym and workouts.
I need some ideas and or critiques plus anything else i should be taking such as pcts or even diff products. anyone got any ideas?
Help me cut it!
05-03-2010 02:09 AM
DHT is deactivated almost immediately in skeletal muscle (I forget the name of the enzyme responsible), which is why it is not anabolic. However, it is important for the CNS, which controls your muscular coordination and power output.
Originally Posted by bikeboatski
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