Adderall and bodybuilding
08-23-2008 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by dynomite
I only ask because I actually have a real case of add and have a 10mg per day script for it . I really do need and get no buzz or whatever from it . I ask because I didn't know if it was liver toxic or not. I stopped taking it for my cycle and life sucks without it , I can't focus on anything for more than 2 seconds.
08-24-2008 03:29 AM
in all honesty man i will never recommend any methyls to anyone. my life is a prime example of why one should not do methyls.
after just a couple cycles my hair is now thinning. my libido has never fully recovered although according to doctors my test levels are normal. and also my cardio is horrible now as i believe i must have done some damage to my cardiovascualr system. mind you my last cylce was 5 years ago and my life has not been the same since.
i used to be prescribed adderal as well. i was misdiagnosed. i am familiar with both of these drugs i speak of. in all honesty i believe the adderal is safer than methyls. however after an extended period of time adderal does some serious damage that takes time to recover from. however if you need it, hey you need it. kind of sucks for you. i know my libido was not very good when i was on adderal and if you get on a steroid at the same time you might be asking for trouble. here is a list of a few risks.
permanant impotence (damage from high blodd pressure)
temporary impotence (this would be unavoidable taking both these compounds)
heart attack (both compounds mess with your cardio system)
serious neurotransmitter problems (both these compounds effect your hypothalimus and pituitary big time, your brain will be all ****ed up with the various hormones and nuero transmitters)
and i am sure a whole lote more but i am only speaking from experience. i am sure if you did some research youwould find a ton more problems.
10-09-2008 04:16 PM
Strong brotelligence in this thread.
Amphetamine is not methamphetamine
Amphetamine= Alpha Methyl Phenylethylamine
Methamphetamine= N, Alpha Dimethyl Phenylethylamine
Ephedrine= N, Alpha Dimethyl Beta Hydroxy Phenylethylamine
Is ephedrine meth? No, its not. But it is very chemically close.
(The perscription name for D-Methamphetamine is desoxyn, short for desoxy ephedrine)
Furthermore the levo and dextro isomers of these compounds produce significantly different effects. In both cases The D-isomer is more psychoactive, which is why more ADD drugs are being standardized to just the Dextro, rather than the racemic DL-mixture seen in adderall.
Don't believe me? Go to your nearest Walgreens, look around for the vicks nose inhalers, the active ingredient is L-Methamphetamine, but they use strange nomenclature so that kids dont say "hey its meth" and eat the cotton. If any of you are foolish or bold enough to crack open the inhaler and eat the cotton, you will see that you are definitely not "tweaking".
With regards to muscle loss, it would be foolish to say that something that blunts your appetite, increases caloric expenditure, and increases cortisol might not have negative effects on muscle building, but as you stay on the drug, you become accustomed to the effects, theres no exact number but I play it safe and say 200 calories over whatever maintenance is when taking ADD meds. Which is entirely possible if you're not using the drugs to get "speedin" and completely naive to the effects of amphetamine.
In summary, I would caution against spouting out something you heard as fact, it makes you appear ignorant, amphetamine is not an evil chemical because it shares 11 letters with methamphetamine. Because of its effects on neurotransmitters (as an earlier poster pointed out) it is not a drug to mess around with, its not just a simple energy pill. Do not treat it as such.
P.S: 30mg Vyvanse qd AM has significantly improved my ability to focus, reduced my irritability, and made me a more social and confident person.
10-09-2008 05:56 PM
This is a hard drug we're talking about, not an "over the counter" drug or something you should use for fun.
You might as well have asked about "Coke and bodybuilding" or "meth and bodybuilding" or "MDMA and bodybuilding."
Yes, there are people who need it, and there is such thing as a THERAPEUTIC dose. If you are one of those people, stop trying to be your own doctor and stick with the recommended dose.
If you are not one of those people and you are justifying reasons to take it, you'd better watch yourself.
10-09-2008 05:59 PM
This is patently false. There is such thing as ADD, and while it is GROSSLY OVERDIAGNOSED in kids, if they really have ADD then getting them on Adderall/Ritalin as soon as possible is literally therapeutic and they are less likely to need the drugs later in life AND reduces the chances that they will become drug addicted.
I agree totally. Its because these freakin doctors want to turn this country into a drug addicted nanny state, full of people who can't fend for themselves. And these morons buy right into it.
There is cutting-edge research that confirms this. It's very easy to snipe at Rx drugs and the drug industry, and while it has its shortcomings, there ARE niches and uses for anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, ADD drugs, etc.
10-09-2008 06:02 PM
PS - sreed, long time love line listener right here.
Unfortunately you're PARTIALLY right...but there IS such thing as ADD. My guess is you've done about 20 minutes of research on this and thought about it at your leisure. I agree with your assessment of overdiagnosis, etc, but there is really such a thing as ADD. Lots of disorders have "mimics"...drug-induced psychosis LOOKS like schizophrenia, which can LOOK like a manic state due to bipolar, which can LOOK like extreme OCD, which can LOOK like PTSD...and on and on and on.
I really do think that ADD/ADHD is a bull**** disease. I've actually read some stuff stating that the symptoms are actually very similar to what happens to people if they experience Above average intelligence, Under Nutrition, Abuse/Neglect, Stressful Home, Poor Parenting, and a few other learning disorders (quoted from the following page=http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/47006).
To be totally honest I am pretty sure I have, and was experiencing those sort of things when I was a kid and diagnosed with ADD. So amphetamines are basically a very poor band-aid solution to the problem without addressing the root causes
10-09-2008 11:31 PM
How would you compare Vyvanase to Adderall? I currently take 20 mg XR qd am and 0 - 10 mg qd pm as needed.
Originally Posted by Foolish
Great post BTW.
10-10-2008 02:27 PM
Vyvanse is the smoothest ADD drug by a long shot, for me the 30 is a little low (ends up dying out at about 8 hours instead of 12) but I'm probably gonna have to switch to dexedrine cause vyvanse is so goddamn expensive) Adderall XR had too many peaks and valleys for me but is still a hell of a lot better than the IR stuff.
Originally Posted by rick055
04-01-2009 09:07 PM
The use of adderall has never seemed more appealing to me than right now, as I was forced to withdraw from my old college this semester (mid-semester) due to low grades as a result, of course, of lack of motivation and ability to focus DURING class, let alone on my time. I'm currently doing an 8-week semester and having obvious trouble with the pace already. It sucks when you finally have to realize that all those years of harmless marijuana smoking may have actually done some damage to your attention and cognitive abilities. I've been clean 3 months and still feel these effects. Is that ADD? This thread, luckily, has steered me away from them, or at least dulled the compulsive urges to talk to my general practioner about ADD. Healthier options to treat attention problems? Any suggestions? I got a 30 on my ACT as a junior in high school, but if you asked me if I could do that 3 years later, I'd honestly have to say I don't believe I could. I could be trying to give myself an excuse for an easy way out though, who really knows.
04-01-2009 11:14 PM
Definitely give a high grade fish oil (like a super DHA) a try for a while before you consider adding drugs.
Originally Posted by indianballer
Also, assess your diet. High protein meal AM for sure, stay away from sugars, especially AM. Any carbs should be slow burning ones, think oatmeal.
04-08-2009 07:37 AM
An appropriate and prescribed dose of Adderall XR should be helpful in bodybuilding to those who are suffering from symptoms of ADHD.
Adderall will help an ADD/ADHD patient arrive at the gym and so it will be eaiser for them to get into a routine. There are psychological benefits to adderall (motivation, focus) but I believe stimulants are cardiologically disadvantegous.
While under the influence of stimulants like coffee or Adderall, less work can be done before your heart becomes overwhelmed. I believe it's more effective to exercise/lift while relaxed, with a low heart rate, and even while drowsy. After a couple of sets, natural adrenaline should kick in and subside drowsiness.
For fat loss, I believe there are substantially better solutions available that are specifically designed by smart people who realize that an effective product will make money so there is that corporate incentive to design a great product working in your favor (Clenbutrx? SlimXtreme?)
Adderall does not have a great application in bodybuilding unless you're an ADHD patient. If an ADD/ADHD patient takes a morning dose of Adderall XR, a great time to go to the gym would be about 12 hours after the morning dose (Just a suggestion/opinion). NO2 may help to lower blood pressure during workouts, so if you're using stimulants, consider stacking NO2.
If you're in excellent cardiovascular shape (low blood pressure, low resting heart-rate), then perhaps you do not notice any diminishment of your intensity? Even so, I hypothesize that when you push the heart too hard it will hold you back until it can regain a more comfortable operating rate.
I see the use of stimulants for metabolic/appetite supressive reasons but other than that I see stimulants to be primarily psychologicially advantageous with disadvantages to your heart rate.
04-08-2009 08:08 AM
I have had a few run-ins with the drug myself, my old roomate was prescribed it by his doctor, he absolutely did not need it. We used to take them to study and stay awake all night, or even we were going out drinking would would pop a few and be wired. I had problems getting it up on this as well. People would use it when there was no cocaine around... chop it up and snort it...
The benefits of it are that you have a lot of energy, very high concentration, less appetite if you are trying to cut, and an overall sense of well-being...
The problems: You know they say its coke over the counter??.... but the problem with this is its not natural, its horrible for your body, gives you the shakes and is very highly addictive. Dehydration, and horrible withdrawls...Stay away from this drug, nothing good can come from it... unless you want an addiction to speed.
04-08-2009 08:30 PM
I've lifted on this the day after I had to binge study. Can't say if it was due to lack of sleep or the drug itself but I was shot pretty quick. Normally I have excellent cardiac endurance and can lift forever and I am a good distance runner, but on amphetamines i'm so tired after 2 or 3 exercises. Benzos, on the other hand, I can go 20 sets balls to the wall and still have gas in the tank. Lifting is SO much psychological.
04-15-2009 10:16 PM
I don't agree I have personally used it to get shredded like a mofo after a bulking cycle. Yes you are correct about its appetite suppressing properties and forcing yourself to get the food you need can be tough but I was able to get down 1.5 g of protein a day and the complex carbs I needed to prevent capitalization along with creative,flax oil and vitamins. I think its easier to eat on adderal than to not eat to much while trying to cut.Personally it gave me crazy energy and strength and allowed me to keep my strength gains while reducing body fat.Long in short 3 weeks on adderal with proper nutrition= sick workouts, decrease body fat minimal muscle loss
04-24-2009 04:18 PM
I need to post on this thread. I have ADD (sucks ass, dont wish upon no one) I used to take Vyvance (like adderal) I also did a cycle of Tren Xtreme and TT-40 while taking Vyvance. My BP was insane, my brain would throb constantly at night. I went to the doctor cause i though something in the left side of my brain was gonna blow or a tumor there or something, looking bad it was bad, BUT I got so huge and ripped to the core it was not even funny, seemed impossible the gains I was making and how ripped I was. Iv been using real steroids since 2001 and also run some PH now with real gear sometimes. I had to force myself to eat so i mainly pounded down lots of protien shakes and 2 small meals a day (not good) but for some reason it was the cycle of a lifetime, prob cause I was SO ripped. I take Strettera now for my ADD and its better for me. when mixed with gear it still elevates your BP more but not AS bad. also a better normal appetite BUT I think strettera is harder on the liver than Vyvance. I had liver values checked after that cycle and all was normal?! and my blood work all looked good. I dont think ill ever get that ripped again but im trying right now. well just wanted to share my experience on this one.
04-28-2009 12:12 AM
first of all to all of you talking about addiction, addiction is only in the head. i had been prescribed to adderal for 4 years (30mgXR) for school and for weight loss purposes as well. i went from 360 to 200lbs in less than a yr. after the 4th year i dropped it cold turkey and cigarettes as well after smoking for 5 years (2 packs everyday). its very good for a weight loss product but the only way that i will recomend this for weight loss or to anybody as a matter of fact is if you have a very good sence of self control. if you have addicting behavior or cant control any craving than dont touch it. take my word for it.
04-29-2009 06:52 AM
Try gingko. give it 2 weeks to start working.
07-10-2009 10:38 PM
Interesting! someone was telling me about adderall yesterday telling me how great it was! I'm glad I read this thread I feel alot more informed!
07-22-2009 12:51 PM
I currently take 70 mg of Vyvanse daily, I have horrible ADHD and its the only way for me to do well in my college classes. I use to have to force myself to eat to gain weight, but now I have gotten use to eating while taking this drug. I personally don't think it boosts your energy while you're at the gym. I don't take it on the weekends and I can tell huge differences. I don't sweat nearly as much at the gym as when i'm on it, I can def. eat a lot more, almost all day if I wanted to. It does help me stay lean though, I don't ever do cardio and i'm right at 10%bf at 185lbs. Sex drive also suffers when on it. To all of you that don't need it; don't take it, consider yourselves lucky. If i didn't have to take it, i'd probably be able to reach my goal of 205 in 4-5 months, but my estimate since i'm on Vyvanse would have to be atleast 7-8 months.
07-23-2009 01:29 AM
"Someone who isn't me [SWIM]" says that although withdrawals can be painful [severe depression, irritability, and headaches] when going from frequent high dose use [30 mg or more] to zero mg, it doesn't need to be. SWIM says that tapering down from 80mg to 10 mg over the course of 3 days THEN dropping to zero mg, caused only the following withdrawal symptoms lasting 3 days: fatigue, mild irritability, loss of motivation. SWIM just finished cycling off adderall 1 week ago so that he can start his for PH cycle.
note:: SWIM states that withdrawal symptoms are severe for Adderall XR and that the above text applies only to Adderall IR.
note:: SWIM also decided to stop the adderall atleast temporarily because he was no longer able to sleep, had been awake for 3 days, and was "feeling fine."
note:: SWIM once upped his adderall usage to 80mg+ per day and incidentally had blood tests noting elevated liver enzymes [4 times the normal range]. Repeat blood tests 1 week after decreasing the dosage showed normalization of liver enzymes
note:: SWIM does not recommend the use of Amphetamines and suggests you see your PMD for referral to a psychiatrist if you feel you require evaluation for ADHD
note:: SWIM was diagnosed as a child and does not obtain ADHD meds illegally.
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