Seeking OTC Testosterone increase guidance

[Focus5]

I have been in the gym off and on for sometime. I am seeking an OTC Testosterone Enhancing Supplement that will give me fast lean gains, high libido, and high energy, with minimal side effects.

[neoborn]

1. Workout hard - There are many different workout regimes, many that work well. Generally: Strength training is in the 6 rep range / Bodybuilding in the 8-10 rep range. - Rep range warmup: 15 ( sets 1 & 2 ) Working: 10, 8, 6 last three sets add drop sets to failure )

2. Fast Efficient Workouts = 1hr - This is not hard and fast but studies have shown that Cortisol rises after 1hr

3. Protein shake immediately after workout and then protein meal with carbs etc within 1hr

4. Creatine - Mono or CEE you decide. Both before and after workout.

5. Daily meals - 5 - 6 day ( including shakes ) protein = 1g per pound of body weight. Meal 1 ( breakies ) is shake plus oatmeal or whatever else you want ( apple is good fibre / system crap mover ), Meal 6 is post workout shake with creatine etc and then solid food meal. Carbs tapered down from morning to evening and fats tapered up from morning to evening. Protein is a constant.

6. Sleep 8 - 10 hrs a night ( very imp for all natural BB'ers )

7. Supps - Do you note the order in which these are and where supps come??? - a) Multivitamin / B complex b) Whey protein c) creatine e) Test boosters / stacks etc

Most importantly do you see the order of these things?

Exercises: Compound movements i.e. two arm two leg exercises.

1. Squats - Biggest muscle and boosts test like crazy, work em hard and see results big time.

2. Deadlifts / Chins / Bent over Rows / Pulldowns - 1st attempt either an palm up or palm down chin at the beginning of your back workout, if you can do one, try two, if you can do 15, add weight. Most important for back is to make the mind / muscle connection. Concentrate ( start with low weight and excellent form ) on getting a good contraction and not swinging with the weight. Calm controlled up down with good squeeze of lats at bottom of rep. All about the connection / squeeze

3. Leg press

4. Flat Bench Dumbell / Barbell - Always swap it up, it takes more muscle etc to do dumbells ( stabilizing muscles etc ) but switch it up - Start with dips to hit lower chest then move to flat bench / incline.

5. Core work - Abs / lower back - work the weaker harder.

This should give you a good idea....Best thing for test.....squats ....good form, warm up well, be careful and grow!

[FrankJ]

Activate Extreme.

[opfor101]

a good one would be jungle warfare.

[Cedarwood]

1. Workout hard - There are many different workout regimes, many that work well. Generally: Strength training is in the 6 rep range / Bodybuilding in the 8-10 rep range. - Rep range warmup: 15 ( sets 1 & 2 ) Working: 10, 8, 6 last three sets add drop sets to failure )

2. Fast Efficient Workouts = 1hr - This is not hard and fast but studies have shown that Cortisol rises after 1hr

3. Protein shake immediately after workout and then protein meal with carbs etc within 1hr

4. Creatine - Mono or CEE you decide. Both before and after workout.

5. Daily meals - 5 - 6 day ( including shakes ) protein = 1g per pound of body weight. Meal 1 ( breakies ) is shake plus oatmeal or whatever else you want ( apple is good fibre / system crap mover ), Meal 6 is post workout shake with creatine etc and then solid food meal. Carbs tapered down from morning to evening and fats tapered up from morning to evening. Protein is a constant.

6. Sleep 8 - 10 hrs a night ( very imp for all natural BB'ers )

7. Supps - Do you note the order in which these are and where supps come??? - a) Multivitamin / B complex b) Whey protein c) creatine e) Test boosters / stacks etc

Most importantly do you see the order of these things?

Exercises: Compound movements i.e. two arm two leg exercises.

1. Squats - Biggest muscle and boosts test like crazy, work em hard and see results big time.

2. Deadlifts / Chins / Bent over Rows / Pulldowns - 1st attempt either an palm up or palm down chin at the beginning of your back workout, if you can do one, try two, if you can do 15, add weight. Most important for back is to make the mind / muscle connection. Concentrate ( start with low weight and excellent form ) on getting a good contraction and not swinging with the weight. Calm controlled up down with good squeeze of lats at bottom of rep. All about the connection / squeeze

3. Leg press

4. Flat Bench Dumbell / Barbell - Always swap it up, it takes more muscle etc to do dumbells ( stabilizing muscles etc ) but switch it up - Start with dips to hit lower chest then move to flat bench / incline.

5. Core work - Abs / lower back - work the weaker harder.

This should give you a good idea....Best thing for test.....squats ....good form, warm up well, be careful and grow!

I agree with Neoborn.. squats, deadlifts.. these naturally boost your body's test.. I see a lot of guys in the gym hitting the upper body but ignoring their scrawny little legs and wondering why they can't get their bench up in the 300s or higher.. believe it or not, hitting your legs will increase your entire body's strength.

Also, totally agree.. supps at the very bottom.

[ClintCanada]

I agree that supps are at the bottom . . . but as far as supps go, you can also try Tribulus and 6 oxo.
Also make sure you're not eating an extremely low fat diet -- you need fat to keep your natural test levels up -- just make sure its good fat if possible (mono unsaturated fats) such as olive oil . . .

[EasyEJL]

Drive gives the feel of raised testosterone, not sure if it actually raises it tho. It does meet what you are looking for effects wise

[neoborn]

Man when I do legs / deads the day after my libido is crazy.



I used to be like that all day long without anything

Much Love,

Neoborn

[FrankJ]

Personally I feel supps a lot more than deadlifts or squats. Those dont do anything for me and Ive been doing them for 20 years.

[lifted]

Personally I feel supps a lot more than deadlifts or squats. Those dont do anything for me and Ive been doing them for 20 years.

Bump, squats and deads raising hormone levels is a myth. I don't even know why this assumption ever got started in the first place. no offense neo

Try dermacrine and/or dermacrine sustain from primordial performance. Lot's of great user feedback...

[neoborn]

LOL myth. Ok then you disprove it first with fact / studies / backup information and I'll prove it, if I can after that

Much Love,

Neoborn

[FrankJ]

After much researching *sarcasm*, I found that indeed squats and other heavy weight lifts due increase testosterone. Here is a chart I found...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2005/par56a.gif

That was after 6 sets of 10 reps ( MS ) . The other plot is one set of 1 set of 10 reps ( SS ) - didnt do much.

The only problem is that the levels are only elevated for one hour ( the bottom line is measure in minutes ). So as a long term way to increase testosterone and libido, its not effective.

The entire article is here

Bodybuilding.com - Karl Hoffman - Resistance Exercise And Androgen Levels.

It talks about how even though testosterone is increased, AR receptors are destroyed by the exercise, so its not a pathway to build muscle hormonally unless you are taking something to prevent cortisol release. The AR grow back and then some, but over the next 48 hours during rest periods.

Oh and you losers wont get anywhere in life if you are too lazy to do a 5 minute google search.

[drksun]

I agree that supps are at the bottom . . . but as far as supps go, you can also try Tribulus and 6 oxo.
Also make sure you're not eating an extremely low fat diet -- you need fat to keep your natural test levels up -- just make sure its good fat if possible (mono unsaturated fats) such as olive oil . . .

trib has no correlation with serum testosterone

Tribulus terrestris has long been a constituent in tonics in Indian ayurveda practice, where it is known by its Sanskrit name, "gokshura."[4]

It is now being promoted as a booster for the purpose of increasing sex drive. Its use for this purpose originated in Eastern Europe in the 1970's. Independent studies [5] have suggested that Tribulus terrestris extract slightly increases hormone levels, though leaving them in the normal range.

Some have compared the tonic properties of Tribulus terrestris to the effects of ginseng, but these occur due to entirely different mechanisms. It is also claimed that Tribulus terrestris increases testosterone by increasing gonadotropin-releasing hormone[6] (GnRH) which in turn stimulates the production of LH and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). Testosterone, besides its role in muscle-building and raising fertility and libido, is also known to have a positive effect on bone marrow activity (for red blood cell production) and the immune system.[citation needed]

On the other hand, one recent study found that T. terrestris caused no increase in testosterone or LH in young men,[7] and another found that a commercial supplement containing androstenedione and herbal extracts, including T. terrestris, was no more effective at raising testosterone levels than androstenedione alone.[8] SupplementWatch does not consider that there is any scientific evidence for effectiveness in muscle building. It suggests that it may be beneficial for those whose testosterone is below normal, such as dieters and overtrained athletes.[5]

The active chemical in T. terrestris is is likely to be protodioscin (PTN),[9] a cousin to DHEA. In a study with mice, Tribulus was shown to enhance mounting activity and erection better than testosterone cypionate.[citation needed] This however, isn't as convincing as one might think. Although an OTC supplement outpacing a pharmaceutical is big news, testosterone cypionate is a synthetic ester of testosterone engineered for its longer activity. To be effective, its level must build up in the system of the animal using it. This process usually takes 2–3 weeks.National Institutes of Health, <http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=2268>. Retrieved on 2007-11-15 The proerectile aphrodisiac properties were concluded to likely be due to the release of nitric oxide from the nerve endings innervating the corpus cavernosum penis.

No significant adverse effects have been reported from supplementation with Tribulus terrestris. However, some users report an upset stomach, which can usually be counteracted by taking it with food.[5]

(7) # ^ V. K. Neychev and V. I. Mitev (2005). "The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men". Journal of Ethnopharmacology 101 (1–3): 319–323.

School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia. srogerson10@bigpond.com

Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18). Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test. The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group. All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club's preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation. After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.

PMID: 17530942 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[drksun]

LOL myth. Ok then you disprove it first with fact / studies / backup information and I'll prove it, if I can after that

Much Love,

Neoborn

I found this so far..

Strength training effects on physical performance and serum hormones in young soccer players.
Gorostiaga EM, Izquierdo M, Ruesta M, Iribarren J, González-Badillo JJ, Ibáñez J.

Centro de Investigación y Medicina del Deporte de Navarra, Gobierno de Navarra, C/ Paulino Caballero 13, 31002 Pamplona, Spain. egorosta@cfnavarra.es

To determine the effects of simultaneous explosive strength and soccer training in young men, 8 experimental (S) and 11 control (C) players, aged 17.2 (0.6) years, were tested before and after an 11-week training period with respect to the load-vertical jumping curve [loads of 0-70 kg (counter-movement jump CMJ0-70)], 5- and 15-m sprint performances, submaximal running endurance and basal serum concentrations of testosterone, free testosterone and cortisol. In the S group, the 11-week training resulted in significant increases in the low-force portion of the load-vertical jumping curve (5-14% in CMJ0-30, P<0.01) and in resting serum total testosterone concentrations (7.5%, P<0.05), whereas no changes were observed in sprint running performance, blood lactate during submaximal running, resting serum cortisol and resting serum free testosterone concentrations. In the C group, no changes were observed during the experimental period. In the S group, the changes in CMJ0 correlated ( P<0.05-0.01) with the changes in the 5-m ( r=0.86) and 15-m ( r=0.92) sprints, whereas the changes in CMJ40 correlated negatively with the changes in the testosterone:cortisol ratio ( r=-0.84, -0.92, respectively, P<0.05). These data indicate that young trained soccer players with low initial strength levels can increase explosive strength by adding low-frequency, low-intensity explosive-type strength training. (think what squats are) The inverse correlations observed between changes in CMJ40 and changes in the testosterone:cortisol ratio suggest that a transient drop in this ratio below 45% cannot always be interpreted as a sign of overstrain or neuroendocrine dysfunction.

PMID: 14704801 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[drksun]

Bump, squats and deads raising hormone levels is a myth. I don't even know why this assumption ever got started in the first place. no offense neo

Try dermacrine and/or dermacrine sustain from primordial performance. Lot's of great user feedback...

truthfully i would only use sustain for PCT, its basically a SERM + a AI, I would go with some activate, JW, drive or something in that since.

[lifted]

LOL myth. Ok then you disprove it first with fact / studies / backup information and I'll prove it, if I can after that

Much Love,

Neoborn

Actually, that's not how it works. You made a statement and you should be able to prove it and back it up when asked to do so. How am I suppossed to disprove it if there isn't any actual relevant findings to prove it in the first place?

The studies below are a start (although it was someone else who posted them.)

[ITHURTZ]

It has been proven over and over it does not raise test levels.

[testodan]

What about Long Jack AKA Tongat Ali?

[neoborn]

Maybe I misunderstand or this is something I just don't know.

weight training systems

Growth hormone (GH) is released from the anterior pituitary gland in the brain soon after exercise commences; however, the precise effects of this GH release seems to be a function of the age of the exerciser (more later). GH is often regarded as the ‘sport hormone’ because it is involved in numerous anabolic functions relating to cell proliferation and division throughout the body. Specifically, GH stimulates bone, cartilage and muscle growth and can play a very significant role in lean muscle mass and fat deterioration/accumulation. This explains why it has been used as an illegal ergogenic aid. GH release via exercise is also augmented by a further chemical reaction. Basically, hormones that would otherwise act to blunt GH production (eg somatostatin) are suppressed by the production of other chemicals produced during exercise (endogenous opiates). In short, GH’s ergogenic training-induced effect can contribute toward creating a leaner, stronger, more powerful athlete.

Testosterone is produced in men through the testes and in women (though to a much lesser extent) via the ovaries. The primary role of testosterone is to augment the release of GH and also to interact with the brain and nervous system (2). For example, an increased level of testosterone can produce greater feelings of aggressiveness/dominance. The mechanisms behind this process (and other hormonal influences on behaviour) are complex.

[ITHURTZ]

No the point was squating doesnt increase test levels like the rumors stated it did.