The only SERMs I've seen are prescriptions. I've been lifting for years but pretty new to the whole PH scene, so don't berate me yet...! LOL

The hardest part of planning a cycle seems to be getting a SERM for post cycle therapy. I'm not going to ask for any sources, but if there is anything available over the counter, please point me in the right direction...

check out reserveratrol. Although not too orally bio-available, it acutally has SERM-ish properties..

Originally Posted by TheDrive

The only SERMs I've seen are prescriptions. I've been lifting for years but pretty new to the whole PH scene, so don't berate me yet...! LOL

The hardest part of planning a cycle seems to be getting a SERM for post cycle therapy. I'm not going to ask for any sources, but if there is anything available over the counter, please point me in the right direction...

SERMS can be easily obtained as research chemicals...search on other boards friendly towards steroids....just make sure that your source is legit with a good amount of searching....

You may want to consider resveratrol as pud stated but I'd probably make it into a transdermal. If you don't want to make it yourself Primordial Performance's Dermacrine contains resveratrol and is a transdermal.

Such SERMS are not intended for human use and are only available for lab research. Must be careful about source posting or asking for a source tho bro.

Originally Posted by TheDrive

The only SERMs I've seen are prescriptions. I've been lifting for years but pretty new to the whole PH scene, so don't berate me yet...! LOL

The hardest part of planning a cycle seems to be getting a SERM for post cycle therapy. I'm not going to ask for any sources, but if there is anything available over the counter, please point me in the right direction...

If your just interested in PCT you should check out Dermacrine Sustain for sure, it's legal and there are a lot of positive reviews on this site and others. I haven't seen a negative review in fact.

I haven't personally used it for PCT but I did try it out as a stand alone supp and noticed some good sex drive and stamina increases.

Check your PM.

i need some too. can anyone help.

can i get a pm on where to get serms? plz n thanks ppl
i just got superdrol

Originally Posted by pudzian2;

check out reserveratrol. Although not too orally bio-available, it acutally has SERM-ish properties..

The oral availability can be dramatically improved by taking quercetin simultaneously. Might also want to add Bioperine. In my opinion, Anabolic Innovations' Post Cycle Support is the best resveratrol-containing product around.

Post cycle support is definitely a solid choice (5% discount code for it in my sig) but if you don't mind transdermal I think dermacrine sustain may work better. I have used resveratrol in a formula similar to post cycle support before, and enjoyed it very much. I am going to use dermacrine sustain as my only serm for my current cycle. I have pre-cycle blood tests, and will take after PCT ones as well to assess.

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Post cycle support is definitely a solid choice (5% discount code for it in my sig) but if you don't mind transdermal I think dermacrine sustain may work better. I have used resveratrol in a formula similar to post cycle support before, and enjoyed it very much. I am going to use dermacrine sustain as my only serm for my current cycle. I have pre-cycle blood tests, and will take after post cycle therapy ones as well to assess.

It will definately be interesting to see your bloowork results E. How long before your pct?

Starts Feb 11. I will also be using their Toco-8, but it has no direct testosterone effect, just LH + FSH I think. I don't feel particularly suppressed, libido is still high boys are hanging normal, but that doesn't prove anything.

Originally Posted by strategicmove

The oral availability can be dramatically improved by taking quercetin simultaneously. Might also want to add Bioperine. In my opinion, Anabolic Innovations' Post Cycle Support is the best resveratrol-containing product around.

Agreed. Anabolic Xtreme's Trisorbagen(Bioperine, Emblica Officinalis, DHB)would also work very well for overall enhanced absorbtion.

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Starts Feb 11. I will also be using their Toco-8, but it has no direct testosterone effect, just LH + FSH I think. I don't feel particularly suppressed, libido is still high boys are hanging normal, but that doesn't prove anything.

Exactly, look forward seeing your results E.

im taking methyl dx 3 its a superdrol clone...my pct is...

Weeks 1-4 PCS/I3C/ZMA
Weeks 4-7 6-oxo
Weeks 3-6 Lean Xtreme

im not able to get a serm but ive noticed people been saying to take post cycle support if ur not able to get ur hands on a serm and during my pct pcs is apart of it so do you think that would be enough? what ive also read was that you should get 7-oh for cortisol but wouldnt is lean xtreme a substitute for 7-oh

Originally Posted by bearmeat

If you don't want to make it yourself Primordial Performance's Dermacrine contains resveratrol and is a transdermal.

Just to fix a mixup here - Sustain Alpha is PP's product containing resveratrol, not Dermacrine. Dermacrine is their PH product, desgined to be used on cycle.

Originally Posted by tdboy49

im taking methyl dx 3 its a superdrol clone...my pct is...

Weeks 1-4 PCS/I3C/ZMA
Weeks 4-7 6-oxo
Weeks 3-6 Lean Xtreme

im not able to get a serm but ive noticed people been saying to take post cycle support if ur not able to get ur hands on a serm and during my pct pcs is apart of it so do you think that would be enough? what ive also read was that you should get 7-oh for cortisol but wouldnt is lean xtreme a substitute for 7-oh

Your PCT is inadequate for the compound you are taking. You need a SERM. Spend some time on Google.

Originally Posted by RedwolfWV

Your PCT is inadequate for the compound you are taking. You need a SERM. Spend some time on Google.

Although most will agree with that statement,

Iforces new PCT product Reversitol has a few lab reports with feed back after a cycle and they all returned to normal, one of the subjects did a 6 week bold cycle and the last 4 weeks 20/20/30/30 of methadrol (SD clone) his bloodwork came back MINT!!!

Reversitol basically has every thing he listed except 6oxo. which can be used effectively (IMO) while on Reversitol.

and he can take any natty test booster with it.

this is indeed the best choice for OTC PCT.

Nolvadex

I believe some of these great companies are working on it, but for all knowledge currently known, I doubt any have something that rivals the usual SERM's. Its best to look around, see what kind of products you could use to run some experiments on your lab rats...

Originally Posted by Zero V

I believe some of these great companies are working on it, but for all knowledge currently known, I doubt any have something that rivals the usual SERM's. Its best to look around, see what kind of products you could use to run some experiments on your lab rats...

there are some things available, and they will be used in up coming product, (or i can forsee them using them)

go to any steroid friendly message boards have tons of sources.

Also, I hear that P.C.S. is a REPLACEMENT??? for a SERM....if this is so true, why are so many ppl still using Nolva and Clomind and w/e....AI needs to clear this up b/c someone can get really FUxCKED up by taking that statement seriously...

Q: How can I use Post Cycle Support? in my PCT regimen?
A: Post Cycle Support? can be run in place of a SERM or as a test booster along side of your SERM.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...toked-faq.html

PCS can be used alone for something like Hdrol. Why? Because it is not as harsh as most of the other compounds out. It will not suppress your natural test as bad and it is easier to recover from. Now when you talk SD and such, it is absolutely necessary to run a serm, and IMO, it would be a good choice to run PCS along with it. These harsh compounds will tank your natural test to 0, along with single digits HDL levels and LDL levels in the hundreds. It takes a long time to recover from these and you need something that will get your HPTA back to normal as quick as possible. Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by dg806

PCS can be used alone for something like Hdrol. Why? Because it is not as harsh as most of the other compounds out. It will not suppress your natural test as bad and it is easier to recover from. Now when you talk SD and such, it is absolutely necessary to run a serm, and IMO, it would be a good choice to run PCS along with it. These harsh compounds will tank your natural test to 0, along with single digits HDL levels and LDL levels in the hundreds. It takes a long time to recover from these and you need something that will get your HPTA back to normal as quick as possible. Hope that helps.

many people feel diferently, but im having blood work done mid cycle, and ill see my levels, and where they are, then ill judge how i respond to them by that test.

but 10mg for 3 weeks, IMO you can get away without one (for superdrol, which is becoming increasingly popular.)......

take pulsing for example, not only is it higher dose and spread throught the day but nothing after a certain time to help recovery.

if he takes it pre workout in the AM he has a lot of time ro recover. and essentially i feel that its not going to be as hard to rcover from once a day dosing early in the morning. but thats my opinion, i think reversitol (stacked with activate extreme or max out) is a good choice

Estro Xtreme by ACL is pretty powerfull and does do receptor but maybe not as good as a serm. Its a good choice if serms are hard to get. do a short cycle if you cant get a serm. superdrol tho without a serm is kinda scary. better low dose.

Originally Posted by crazyfool405

Although most will agree with that statement,

Iforces new PCT product Reversitol has a few lab reports with feed back after a cycle and they all returned to normal, one of the subjects did a 6 week bold cycle and the last 4 weeks 20/20/30/30 of methadrol (SD clone) his bloodwork came back MINT!!!

Reversitol basically has every thing he listed except 6oxo. which can be used effectively (IMO) while on Reversitol.

and he can take any natty test booster with it.

this is indeed the best choice for OTC PCT.

that has gyno ALL over it! bloodwork and moobs are two differnt things lol

Originally Posted by meatNcreatine

that has gyno ALL over it! bloodwork and moobs are two differnt things lol

i didnt see pictures, but anythings possible, and he coulda had it before he started, or pubertal ect.

This is a huge bump but I thought I would just mention the following:

There are basically two types of sites that sell research chemicals. The first is the type that is OBVIOUSLY geared toward bodybuilders. These online sites offer nothing about the chemical they are selling. The second type is the type geared toward real chemists and other scientists. These sites will have all the data chemical structure, MW, purity, etc...

As a chemist I'll be honest, I'd rather order from a big name chemical supplier based in the United States that assays its product for purity. Although I'd probably pay 5-10 times the amount atleast I know what I'm getting.

On another note, it is pretty easy to figure out which chemical suppliers are reputable. You will see these brands represented in the chemistry department at your university.

The closest thing to a serm is PP's Testosterone Recovery Stack. Obviously serms are superior but PP TRS is the next best thing. The only issue is the cost.