Phenibut, is there better?

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  1. my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.


  2. Im thinking of replacing it with L-Theanine. I have gone though one bottle(Fifty grams ) in two years.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
    I don't think Phenibut is a benzodiazapine - there isnt a benzene or diazapene ring anywhere in the 4-amino-3-phenyl-butanoic acid (phenibut) molecule...if anything Phenibut bears a structural similarity to PEA, and from what Ive been reading it is a GABA receptor agonist, as well as causing a rise in dopamine levels. This could possibly be one of the causes of its anxiolytic effect, and why it is somewhat similar to benzos like Valium and Xanax in effect.

    Anything can be lethal at the right dose, even water. Phenibut's LD50 in rats is about 900mg/kg - and if that translates to humans you'd have to take 81g of the stuff before you had a 50% chance of killing yourself.

    I'll reiterate when I say that I really believe Phenibut is best use in lower doses and only when needed...there are better chemicals out there for recreational use, with less in the way of tolerence and potential negative side effects.

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    How much are you guys dosing Phenibut? I've been using 1fast's bulk powder and dosing at about 2.5 grams. Not too much effect for me.

    Suggestions?
    iv'e been using the same stuff, i dosen't do much for me, on sat i had 1225mg and about 10 shots and i was still in decent shape, i though 1-2 shots plus 1g would do it, like otheres have posted. I'm not a heavy drinker, i drink maybe once a week if that.. its not a tolerance to phenibut either, i haven't used the stuff in about 2 weeks, and have only taken maybe 4 doses ever.

  5. i had bought some a while ago and used like a gram or a gram and a half with really no affect , so as time went by ...the other day i thought i'll really give it a try so i took like 3-3.5 g's and man after a few hours like 6 , my body and ,mind was so relaxed i couldnt walk straight and couldnt stay awake , fell asleep woke upbarely b4 bed time and couldnt keep my eyes open and fell sound asleep[out like a lght]till the next day then woke but kinda felt hungover and brain fog all day !
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
    And she weened you off using Klonopin?

    I would definitely question the wisdom of that.
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  7. i took 500mg last night, now all day iv'e had a hangover.. weird.

  8. tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too

  9. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    And she weened you off using Klonopin?

    I would definitely question the wisdom of that.
    1st of all there is a withdrawal effect after years of using phenibut. it is a gaba-agonist so it is best to be detoxed w/ a gaba-agonist like klonopin. i was in some distress 4 a while after stopping phenibut. my symptoms were the same as if i was going thru benzo withdrawal.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by curqleez View Post
    tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too
    Yeah you really dont wanna **** with opiates though. Opiates are the most addictive substance on the planet.

  11. Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by INFLUENCER View Post
    Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...
    The hangover from it is very strange. Sometimes it's not that bad, and sometimes ***etaboutit!! Usually they are rather bad when alcohol is involved.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    I dont seem to feel sh1t off 1-2 g but have to dose 4-5g and goddamn, the "hangover" feeling the next day is wierd as hell. Like im sleepwalking all day!
    Same here. I get absolutely nothing from phenibut unless i take at least 5 grams. I get the hangover effect the next morning, but it's still not as bad as an antihistamine hangover for me.

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  14. I won't even take phenibut unless I know i can sleep for 11 or 12 hours. The first time I ever tried it I had to get up at like 6:00 the next morning. I was completely out of it all day at work. Normal tasks were taking like 2 or 3 times longer than usual because I was so sleepy. It's usually a very rejuvenating substance as long as I can sleep it off, though. When I'm able to get all that sleep, I feel very clear-headed and energized the day after phenibut.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
    Phenibut is NOT a benzodiazapine, but it does have some similar effects as does GABA.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Im thinking of replacing it with L-Theanine. I have gone though one bottle(Fifty grams ) in two years.
    Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

    Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    1st of all there is a withdrawal effect after years of using phenibut. it is a gaba-agonist so it is best to be detoxed w/ a gaba-agonist like klonopin. i was in some distress 4 a while after stopping phenibut. my symptoms were the same as if i was going thru benzo withdrawal.
    I'd agree with dsade. Using a more addictive drug (klonopin) to help with withdrawal of a less addictive drug (phenibut) would not have been my first choice for therapy.

    Its like treating a codeine addiction with oxycontin.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by INFLUENCER View Post
    Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...
    Phenibut's effects are nothing like those of an opiate other than possibly sedation/euphoria.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by curqleez View Post
    tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too
    If you like tramadol, give kratom a shot. If you find a good source, it's much better than tram.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

    Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.
    +1 on the Theanine and Phenibut...havent tried it with Magnolia Extract yet though.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    +1 on the Theanine and Phenibut...havent tried it with Magnolia Extract yet though.
    Ill have to try this. I only use Phenibut if Im totally wore down or For an adiction..ie.. coming off of stimulants
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

    Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.
    ~500mg theanine in hot green tea, ~1g phenibut, ~1g rhodiola rosea

    these have a synergy which makes me alert and relaxed, classes seem much easier in school.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Phenibut's effects are nothing like those of an opiate other than possibly sedation/euphoria.
    i don't know, i get an almost identical euphoria by taking phenibut once a week or two as i do by popping the very occasional hydrocodone-apap. after the half-life comes around though, phenibut can give me a minor but annoying headache whereas hydrocodone never does. I consider phenibut a safe non-toxic vicodin that i need to take alphaGPC with so as to avoid the headaches

  24. Quote Originally Posted by goslamacamel View Post
    i don't know, i get an almost identical euphoria by taking phenibut once a week or two as i do by popping the very occasional hydrocodone-apap. after the half-life comes around though, phenibut can give me a minor but annoying headache whereas hydrocodone never does. I consider phenibut a safe non-toxic vicodin that i need to take alphaGPC with so as to avoid the headaches
    alphagpc prevents phenibut headachs..hmmm anyone else have expirience with this?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    alphagpc prevents phenibut headachs..hmmm anyone else have expirience with this?
    lol, I use aGPC like most use Tylenol. Ever since I got some enormous cluster headaches from using Piracetam without reading up about it enough to know I NEEDED a choline source. I have a hunch that many normal headaches stem from some kind of choline depletion, because if my GF gets a headache I'll cap her a little of my aGPC and usually it goes away within 30 mins.
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