Phenibut, is there better? - AnabolicMinds.com - Page 3

Phenibut, is there better?

Page 3 of 4 First 1234 Last
  1. Banned
    drksun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    319
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    How much are you guys dosing Phenibut? I've been using 1fast's bulk powder and dosing at about 2.5 grams. Not too much effect for me.

    Suggestions?
    iv'e been using the same stuff, i dosen't do much for me, on sat i had 1225mg and about 10 shots and i was still in decent shape, i though 1-2 shots plus 1g would do it, like otheres have posted. I'm not a heavy drinker, i drink maybe once a week if that.. its not a tolerance to phenibut either, i haven't used the stuff in about 2 weeks, and have only taken maybe 4 doses ever.

  2. supreme being
    WATERLOGGED's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  223 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Age
    52
    Posts
    701
    Rep Power
    485

    Reputation

    i had bought some a while ago and used like a gram or a gram and a half with really no affect , so as time went by ...the other day i thought i'll really give it a try so i took like 3-3.5 g's and man after a few hours like 6 , my body and ,mind was so relaxed i couldnt walk straight and couldnt stay awake , fell asleep woke upbarely b4 bed time and couldnt keep my eyes open and fell sound asleep[out like a lght]till the next day then woke but kinda felt hungover and brain fog all day !
  3. NutraPlanet Fanatic
    dsade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Age
    43
    Posts
    21,345
    Rep Power
    755349

    Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
    And she weened you off using Klonopin?

    I would definitely question the wisdom of that.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    BPS - Where Body meets Performance
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless
    •   
       

  4. Banned
    drksun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    319
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    i took 500mg last night, now all day iv'e had a hangover.. weird.
  5. New Member
    curqleez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    95
    Rep Power
    151

    Reputation

    tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too
  6. New Member
    s.norman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    47
    Posts
    347
    Rep Power
    295

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    And she weened you off using Klonopin?

    I would definitely question the wisdom of that.
    1st of all there is a withdrawal effect after years of using phenibut. it is a gaba-agonist so it is best to be detoxed w/ a gaba-agonist like klonopin. i was in some distress 4 a while after stopping phenibut. my symptoms were the same as if i was going thru benzo withdrawal.
  7. Banned
    CNorris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    1,184
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by curqleez View Post
    tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too
    Yeah you really dont wanna **** with opiates though. Opiates are the most addictive substance on the planet.
  8. New Member
    INFLUENCER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    132
    Rep Power
    203

    Reputation

    Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...
  9. Bananas
    TripDog's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  201 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    10,084
    Rep Power
    5550

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by INFLUENCER View Post
    Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...
    The hangover from it is very strange. Sometimes it's not that bad, and sometimes ***etaboutit!! Usually they are rather bad when alcohol is involved.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
  10. Diamond Member
    Trauma1's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Age
    35
    Posts
    15,425
    Rep Power
    57338

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    I dont seem to feel sh1t off 1-2 g but have to dose 4-5g and goddamn, the "hangover" feeling the next day is wierd as hell. Like im sleepwalking all day!
    Same here. I get absolutely nothing from phenibut unless i take at least 5 grams. I get the hangover effect the next morning, but it's still not as bad as an antihistamine hangover for me.

    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Legendary

  11. New Member
    JohnnyBGood's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Age
    33
    Posts
    211
    Rep Power
    207

    Reputation

    I won't even take phenibut unless I know i can sleep for 11 or 12 hours. The first time I ever tried it I had to get up at like 6:00 the next morning. I was completely out of it all day at work. Normal tasks were taking like 2 or 3 times longer than usual because I was so sleepy. It's usually a very rejuvenating substance as long as I can sleep it off, though. When I'm able to get all that sleep, I feel very clear-headed and energized the day after phenibut.
  12. Senior Member
    quigs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,252
    Rep Power
    10630

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
    Phenibut is NOT a benzodiazapine, but it does have some similar effects as does GABA.
  13. Senior Member
    quigs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,252
    Rep Power
    10630

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Im thinking of replacing it with L-Theanine. I have gone though one bottle(Fifty grams ) in two years.
    Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

    Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.
  14. Senior Member
    quigs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,252
    Rep Power
    10630

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    1st of all there is a withdrawal effect after years of using phenibut. it is a gaba-agonist so it is best to be detoxed w/ a gaba-agonist like klonopin. i was in some distress 4 a while after stopping phenibut. my symptoms were the same as if i was going thru benzo withdrawal.
    I'd agree with dsade. Using a more addictive drug (klonopin) to help with withdrawal of a less addictive drug (phenibut) would not have been my first choice for therapy.

    Its like treating a codeine addiction with oxycontin.
  15. Senior Member
    quigs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,252
    Rep Power
    10630

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by INFLUENCER View Post
    Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...
    Phenibut's effects are nothing like those of an opiate other than possibly sedation/euphoria.
  16. Senior Member
    quigs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,252
    Rep Power
    10630

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by curqleez View Post
    tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too
    If you like tramadol, give kratom a shot. If you find a good source, it's much better than tram.
  17. Elite Member
    BigVrunga's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Age
    38
    Posts
    5,063
    Rep Power
    2682

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

    Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.
    +1 on the Theanine and Phenibut...havent tried it with Magnolia Extract yet though.
  18. Diamond Member
    John Smeton's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  225 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Age
    33
    Posts
    10,014
    Rep Power
    33557

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    +1 on the Theanine and Phenibut...havent tried it with Magnolia Extract yet though.
    Ill have to try this. I only use Phenibut if Im totally wore down or For an adiction..ie.. coming off of stimulants
    Follow me on facebook, twitter and youtube, where I share information and videos to help you achieve your physique goals, John Smeton Ftness
  19. Banned
    goslamacamel's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  197 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    24
    Posts
    405
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

    Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.
    ~500mg theanine in hot green tea, ~1g phenibut, ~1g rhodiola rosea

    these have a synergy which makes me alert and relaxed, classes seem much easier in school.
  20. Banned
    goslamacamel's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  197 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    24
    Posts
    405
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Phenibut's effects are nothing like those of an opiate other than possibly sedation/euphoria.
    i don't know, i get an almost identical euphoria by taking phenibut once a week or two as i do by popping the very occasional hydrocodone-apap. after the half-life comes around though, phenibut can give me a minor but annoying headache whereas hydrocodone never does. I consider phenibut a safe non-toxic vicodin that i need to take alphaGPC with so as to avoid the headaches
  21. Diamond Member
    John Smeton's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  225 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Age
    33
    Posts
    10,014
    Rep Power
    33557

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by goslamacamel View Post
    i don't know, i get an almost identical euphoria by taking phenibut once a week or two as i do by popping the very occasional hydrocodone-apap. after the half-life comes around though, phenibut can give me a minor but annoying headache whereas hydrocodone never does. I consider phenibut a safe non-toxic vicodin that i need to take alphaGPC with so as to avoid the headaches
    alphagpc prevents phenibut headachs..hmmm anyone else have expirience with this?
    Follow me on facebook, twitter and youtube, where I share information and videos to help you achieve your physique goals, John Smeton Ftness
  22. Banned
    goslamacamel's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  197 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    24
    Posts
    405
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    alphagpc prevents phenibut headachs..hmmm anyone else have expirience with this?
    lol, I use aGPC like most use Tylenol. Ever since I got some enormous cluster headaches from using Piracetam without reading up about it enough to know I NEEDED a choline source. I have a hunch that many normal headaches stem from some kind of choline depletion, because if my GF gets a headache I'll cap her a little of my aGPC and usually it goes away within 30 mins.
  23. Diamond Member
    John Smeton's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  225 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Age
    33
    Posts
    10,014
    Rep Power
    33557

    Reputation

    Yes I take choline with my Alcar and Piracetam. So take choline when you have a heache. Nice little info
    Follow me on facebook, twitter and youtube, where I share information and videos to help you achieve your physique goals, John Smeton Ftness
  24. New Member
    washingtonirvin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    62
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra
    I bet that's not all that was yanked...
  25. New Member
    pacman's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  195 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2
    Rep Power
    80

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    Hmmmm, actually looks interesting but it's not that different from what people have been talking about (ingredients below). The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra and there were other similar incidents which I can't recall the details of. It wouldn't surprise me if their somitimax was "contaminated" with something pharmaceutical.


    I wouldnt be surprised either if there was something else in it. I bought some somatomax on the recommendations of someone on another board. Tried it and it worked well. I slept like a baby and can be really groggy the next morning if you dont sleep atleast 10 hours or so. Also I felt really pumped the next day after a workout compared to without the stuff.

    I didnt know about high tech's shady history until I was reading about it after I had tried out somatomax. I bought some phenibute after I read it was the largest ingredient on the somatomax label and it was a lot cheaper than the somatomax. I had used 250-500mg doses of the phenibute for sleep or anxiety and it works real well for that. Didnt notice any "pump" effect the next day after a work out. Also doesnt knock me out as much as somatomax.

    I wouldnt be surprised at all if there was something else added in it. It almost seems to work too well to just be what is on the label.
  26. New Member
    ycomp's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    4
    Rep Power
    73

    Reputation

    so I tried Phenibut (here name is ноофен but it is the same stuff) for the first time last night... I took 500mg at about 1/2 hr intervals... 3.5g over about 2.5 hours. And all I felt from it was a little dulling of any anxiety... about what 1/2 a drink would do. I do have a strange hangover today where I still feel a little drunk, but it could be from the drinking.

    I drank last night more than I had drunk in quite some time. Somehow I continued to drink until 16 drinks (apple juice and jack daniels) [normally I stop around 9 to 12 drinks) and one minute I am fine then I'm completely wasted and can't walk anything close to straight. But really it just felt like effects of one too many drinks.

    I started to drink about 4 hours into the phenibut.

    So is it normal for some people on first time 3.5g to feel nothing? I tried picamillon about a week ago a couple of times and standard dosages there seemed to work properly for me. (first time on picamilon I was mildly euphoric and in a great mood - felt the same as the elusive mixture of supplements I took a couple times before... elusive because I could only replicate this mild euphoria + great mood about 1 in 3 times - I was taking a lot of GABA - half sublingually + l-theanine + 5 HTP + other stuff like taurine and magnesium/potassium for good measure... but I stopped doing that a long time ago because it wasn't consistent)

    btw. I am a bit on the heavy side... 6'3, 245 lbs... about 20 to 25 lbs overweight I'm guessing. picamillon didn't seem to be affected much by body weight (I was taking 100 to 150mg)... but could it be that phenibut is? I was hoping phenibut would be great for me but if 3.5 grams doesn't do anything for me, I'm scared (money wise - it is about $20 for 20 250mg tablets) how much would be required for me to take...

    any insights would be appreciated, thanks.
  27. Advanced Member
    wontstop985's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  200 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Age
    29
    Posts
    579
    Rep Power
    506

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by ycomp View Post
    so I tried Phenibut (here name is ноофен but it is the same stuff) for the first time last night... I took 500mg at about 1/2 hr intervals... 3.5g over about 2.5 hours. And all I felt from it was a little dulling of any anxiety... about what 1/2 a drink would do. I do have a strange hangover today where I still feel a little drunk, but it could be from the drinking.

    I drank last night more than I had drunk in quite some time. Somehow I continued to drink until 16 drinks (apple juice and jack daniels) [normally I stop around 9 to 12 drinks) and one minute I am fine then I'm completely wasted and can't walk anything close to straight. But really it just felt like effects of one too many drinks.

    I started to drink about 4 hours into the phenibut.

    So is it normal for some people on first time 3.5g to feel nothing? I tried picamillon about a week ago a couple of times and standard dosages there seemed to work properly for me. (first time on picamilon I was mildly euphoric and in a great mood - felt the same as the elusive mixture of supplements I took a couple times before... elusive because I could only replicate this mild euphoria + great mood about 1 in 3 times - I was taking a lot of GABA - half sublingually + l-theanine + 5 HTP + other stuff like taurine and magnesium/potassium for good measure... but I stopped doing that a long time ago because it wasn't consistent)

    btw. I am a bit on the heavy side... 6'3, 245 lbs... about 20 to 25 lbs overweight I'm guessing. picamillon didn't seem to be affected much by body weight (I was taking 100 to 150mg)... but could it be that phenibut is? I was hoping phenibut would be great for me but if 3.5 grams doesn't do anything for me, I'm scared (money wise - it is about $20 for 20 250mg tablets) how much would be required for me to take...

    any insights would be appreciated, thanks.
    Take your entire dose on an EMPTY stomach. Wait a good 90 minutes after eating to take the phenibut, then wait a good 30 minutes after taking the phenibut before you eat again. The effects can take a couple hours to kick in, but should be noticeable in less than an hour. And the hang over was from the phenibut
  28. New Member
    ycomp's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    4
    Rep Power
    73

    Reputation

    thanks... i started to take it maybe 1 hour or so after eating dinner. Didn't eat anything else that night.

    So I should take it all at once I guess. What dose do you recommend I should take? And if I don't notice anything after a period of time, how much more should I take?
  29. New Member
    Jmaths's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  250 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Age
    26
    Posts
    111
    Rep Power
    124

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    Rhodiola Rosea is more subtle, but definitely helps alleviate stress.
    This.

    Try valerian root, too.
  30. Senior Member
    matthias7's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,627
    Rep Power
    879

    Reputation

    2.5g??? if you've been taking it for years then okay -- big tolerance.

    If not then consider birth place ... was it planet earth?

    Thats phenibut to knock out a horse.
  31. Senior Member
    matthias7's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,627
    Rep Power
    879

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmaths View Post
    This.

    Try valerian root, too.
    Good answer. Rhodiola is an adaptogen - its about homeostasis not really a sense of calm and well being.

    GABBA (unmodified phenibut) has a marginal effect.
  32. New Member
    Esox Express's Avatar
    Stats
    5'6"  160 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    336
    Rep Power
    247

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by matthias7 View Post
    2.5g??? if you've been taking it for years then okay -- big tolerance.

    If not then consider birth place ... was it planet earth?

    Thats phenibut to knock out a horse.
    I think tolerances vary from person to person. I have taken up to 8 grams with positive euphoric effects (a little more mild than an alcohol buzz) and no hangover.

    Don't plan on having sex after taking phenibut. Wet noodle.
  33. New Member
    ycomp's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    4
    Rep Power
    73

    Reputation

    anyone know if cold tea (I mean if i made tea and let it sit until it was cold) works just as well as hot tea? to "rechage" phenibut?
  34. New Member
    RAMJAM666's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    56
    Rep Power
    97

    Reputation

    GHB is better. pheni is stout too
  35. New Member
    SpeedFreak21's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    10
    Rep Power
    68

    Reputation

    I use phenibut 4-5 days a week 4 grams a day i try to go mon tues. on wed. off and thurs. fri on and take sat and sun off to rebuild my brain but the two days off or weds. is the worst days ever so tired. One thing i get when im not on them is anxiety like crazy but when im on pheni i get like a vicodin buzz, it helps a lot if i drink pheni with a good energy drink
  36. New Member
    SpeedFreak21's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  220 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    10
    Rep Power
    68

    Reputation

    Phenibut does kick ass i have been using the Phenibut Primaforce powder all summer just started the capsules what do you think is better? It was my first day for the capsules i think i like the powder better besides the taste
  37. Senior Member
    lonewolf0420's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  223 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Age
    36
    Posts
    2,314
    Rep Power
    1678

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreak21 View Post
    I use phenibut 4-5 days a week 4 grams a day i try to go mon tues. on wed. off and thurs. fri on and take sat and sun off to rebuild my brain but the two days off or weds. is the worst days ever so tired. One thing i get when im not on them is anxiety like crazy but when im on pheni i get like a vicodin buzz, it helps a lot if i drink pheni with a good energy drink
    You dose 4gr at once?

    I recently started adding 2gr of pheni with my SX. I can't say I notice much from it, but I was a little hesitant to dose higher. Still experimenting with this stuff.
  38. New Member
    Chops89's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  170 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    321
    Rep Power
    227

    Reputation

    I've tried different dosing methods and the one the only way I really feel the effects is by splitting it into two doses. If I want to take 4 grams I'll do 2 grams first, then wait 2-3 hours and take another 2 grams. I start to really feel it an hour or 2 after the second dose.
  39. New Member
    ber7923's Avatar
    Stats
    5'7"  145 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Rep Power
    66

    Reputation

    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    i was looking at a post i made on this thread 2 years ago and PHENIBUT IS STILL THE UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP!! yes i've been using it that long at least and this thread is the 1st documented piece that shows how long i've been on. DON'T BE ALARMED you will develop a quick tolerance to it for about the 1st month or so then you will be at that dose for as long as you want to use it. i use 5-6 grams at night and get a nice effect from it-helps me sleep and helped me overcome social phobia as well w/ effexor. ALSO STOPPED PHENIBUT FOR 9-10 MONTHS w/ no problems. no bad benzo withdraw nothing at all and i heard benzo w/d can feel like the world ending. GREAT STUFF!!
    I used Phenibut for a few days at 2 grams and it was great the first two days but then tolerance developed. Do you know whether there is a limit to tolerance, meaning beyond a certain point the effects will remain and not have tolerance (even if that means having to take many grams)?

    Thanks!
  40. New Member
    anonanon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1
    Rep Power
    56

    Reputation

    Standardized Kava capsules (for example, NOW brand has 30% kavalactone caps) are great for anti-anxiety/euphoria if you take enough (I actually take about 20 to get "high", like not actually high but pretty nice euphoria.) I didn't really like phenibut because of the rebound effects. Well good luck on your search
  •   

      
     

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Liquid Clomid, is there a better way?
    By TheDiesel85 in forum Post Cycle Therapy
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 01-25-2009, 11:15 AM
  2. Is there a better product for after a cycle of MMV2?
    By srocco112 in forum Supplements
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 10-15-2008, 01:37 AM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-04-2006, 10:50 PM
  4. Ketosis diet, best? or is there better?
    By Grifter in forum Weight Loss
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-04-2005, 11:43 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in