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    Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    phenibut is pretty good stuff. i can do about 3g and feel fine the next day.
    Do you find that you quickly build a tolerance though?
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    I dont seem to have tolerance issues with Phenibut, however I find its most useful is lower dosages. For sleep, I combine 400mg Phenibut with 500mg GABA, 3mg melatonin and Im down for the count. For a mood booster during the workday, 200mg Phenibut seems to be very effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    I dont seem to have tolerance issues with Phenibut, however I find its most useful is lower dosages. For sleep, I combine 400mg Phenibut with 500mg GABA, 3mg melatonin and Im down for the count. For a mood booster during the workday, 200mg Phenibut seems to be very effective.
    Do you find that you get any kind of buzz from it? I'm not interested in the sleep aspects of it - I'm looking for a buzz (kind of an alcohol replacement I guess). Renewtrient was absolutely amazing for me and I've been trying to replicate its effects ever since it was banned. I'm only interested in legal alternatives too.
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    As for a person that did GABA for two years strait.. Dont do Gaba or Phenibut before bedtime, it inhibits Melatonin.

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    That study seems awfully inconclusive...although some of the science behind it makes sense. Many things can lead to reduced sperm quality and on a study with such a small group I'd think it would be hard to pinpoint melatonin as being the sole culprit there.

    The recommendation that <1mg doses are ideal is interesting though. Perhaps *too much* melatonin is the problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    That study seems awfully inconclusive...although some of the science behind it makes sense. Many things can lead to reduced sperm quality and on a study with such a small group I'd think it would be hard to pinpoint melatonin as being the sole culprit there.

    The recommendation that <1mg doses are ideal is interesting though. Perhaps *too much* melatonin is the problem...

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    I've found that small doses of melatonin (.25 mg) to be most effective personally. Enough to tip the balance but not so much that I'm drugging myself into sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    I've found that small doses of melatonin (.25 mg) to be most effective personally. Enough to tip the balance but not so much that I'm drugging myself into sleep.
    You do your research yeahright or you have experience... yes a very low dose is ok but anything higher like 3 mgs research say it isnt healthy. I beleive it's 200 mcg's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    That study seems awfully inconclusive...although some of the science behind it makes sense. Many things can lead to reduced sperm quality and on a study with such a small group I'd think it would be hard to pinpoint melatonin as being the sole culprit there.

    The recommendation that <1mg doses are ideal is interesting though. Perhaps *too much* melatonin is the problem...

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    Thats what the research came up with 200 mcg's.

    Gaba , phenibut and taurine inhibit Mel. so its best not to take them before bed. Its in the thread posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Thats what the research came up with 200 mcg's.

    Gaba , phenibut and taurine inhibit Mel. so its best not to take them before bed. Its in the thread posted.
    Why not Taurine? I ask because I just bought a kilo of it because of its cheapness. Is Taurine related to GABA?
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    Thats what the research came up with 200 mcg's.

    Gaba , phenibut and taurine inhibit Mel. so its best not to take them before bed. Its in the thread posted.
    Yes, but so does flipping on the bathroom light when you wake up in the middle of the night to go take a leak...how much though Im not sure.
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    Im not sure either but whejn I heard this I stopped taurine before bed.

    other people over at M and M have said they expirence greater sleep. It might have only been one person..its in that thread I posted, I think
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    Phenibut is strong. I took some last night AND WOKE UP three hours later than I would have liked have. and felt really Pheniphened=)
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    1st time I took Phenibut I took 2 or 2.5g felt the "euphoria" and the social dis-inhibitory effect. That was a while back.

    I take it once a week now, maybe twice. I take 6-10g now, LOL. I don't feel the "euphoria" at all anymore, the social dis-inhibitory effect is still there but not as strong, makes you very sensual, sex is unbelievable on it, mixes well w/ booze, you loose all negativity, makes you "love" everybody but the build up of tolerance really sucks. After a while it don't do much and you end up taken 10g w/ lesser and lesser effect.

    Yeah, its the best, at least as far as I've taken. I've never taken x-tacy or ghb but I suppose there similar in the "I-love-everyone" feel.

    Picamilon I've had alot of experience w/ too. Its gaba + niacin to facilitate gaba thru the "brain barrier." I sometimes get the "phenibut" feel on Picamilon but never as strong and its inconsistent but I've only gone as high as 1g on Picamilon, maybe I'll ramp it up to 1.5-2g see how it is.
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    I take it once a week now, maybe twice. I take 6-10g now, LOL. I don't feel the "euphoria" at all anymore, the social dis-inhibitory effect is still there but not as strong, makes you very sensual, sex is unbelievable on it, mixes well w/ booze, you loose all negativity, makes you "love" everybody but the build up of tolerance really sucks. After a while it don't do much and you end up taken 10g w/ lesser and lesser effect.
    Wow, that's a lot of phenibut!! I can't take any more than 1g without feeling completely out of it.

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    same here. Its important to only take it when you really need it. for sleep or under extreme stress. or when your body is adapting to something. Phenibut has been used to treat addictions... basically any addiction.

    The only reason is was introduced to the bodybuilding community is the fact the hard trainign atheletes put there mind though so much more than the average indivdual does, thus a bodybuilding can benifit from stress sometimes caused by the Intensity of training.

    Note p[henibut is not recommended to the beginners or "light work-out boys", only for the very serious atheletes and hardcore folks. and anyopne can use it but its this is its purpose in bodybuilding
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    The only reason is was introduced to the bodybuilding community is the fact the hard trainign atheletes put there mind though so much more than the average indivdual does, thus a bodybuilding can benifit from stress sometimes caused by the Intensity of training.
    I totally agree there - sometimes at night, after a long day at work my head is full of 1000 different things and the thought train wont stop running. One of my favorite adaptogens, Rhodiola Rosea, usually provides a slight stimulant effect so its not very good for sleep. But phenibut smooths the edges of a rough day very nicely, easing anxiety and relaxing me just enough to catch a good night's sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    Yes, but so does flipping on the bathroom light when you wake up in the middle of the night to go take a leak...how much though Im not sure.
    who needs lights......just guess,and go.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by psywzrd View Post
    How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?
    also interested, there are many gaba analogs that are not available .
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    Originally Posted by psywzrd
    How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?

    also interested, there are many gaba analogs that are not available .
    If you live in the US, do not try to import GBL. You are asking to have your house raided by the DEA.

    You can get a prescription for Xyrem, which is GHB, if you are suffering from fibromyalgia (chronic fatigue syndrome), or have a serious problem with a lack of slow wave sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    IBE Neurobalance.
    Do you know if they offer samples?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phrost View Post
    Do you know if they offer samples?
    No. It's a liquid. It's well worth a try IMHO.
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    Well i think im done w/ the phenibut for a while. Been doin it for 6-8 months once wk at least. The next day hangovers are just hell now, totally trashes me next day, ALL DAY, worse than alcohol. Course I been mixin it w/ alcohol maybe some valium/xanax a little nite before but i know its the phenibut, heavy doses 6-8g. I'm off for a whilt......... Bet some you guys get the bad phenibut hangovers too...
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    ahhhhhhh boys what yall need to try is 2 scoops os somitomax by high teck its 1000 times beter than any thing listed on this bored
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    ahhhhhhh boys what yall need to try is 2 scoops os somitomax by high teck its 1000 times beter than any thing listed on this bored
    Hmmmm, actually looks interesting but it's not that different from what people have been talking about (ingredients below). The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra and there were other similar incidents which I can't recall the details of. It wouldn't surprise me if their somitimax was "contaminated" with something pharmaceutical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    Hmmmm, actually looks interesting but it's not that different from what people have been talking about (ingredients below). The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra and there were other similar incidents which I can't recall the details of. It wouldn't surprise me if their somitimax was "contaminated" with something pharmaceutical.
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    (standardized to 20% L-Dopa)
    L-Arginine HCL
    L-Tyrosine
    L-Phenylaline Vitamin B-6 10mg 500%
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    of course after reading this thread i had to go take some phinibut...dam peer pressure..
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    I dont seem to feel sh1t off 1-2 g but have to dose 4-5g and goddamn, the "hangover" feeling the next day is wierd as hell. Like im sleepwalking all day!
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    very addicted!


    i got very addicted to phenibut after 4 years of continuous use. tolerance ends when u reach 10g per day and i used b/t 10-15g per night. this is a drug not a supp and needs more respect than i gave it. i needed a detox and rehab to get off it...coincidentally my dr. was from russia and she said u can die of a fatal overdose w/ it. she was familiar w/ it. klonopin was used to ween me off it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    i got very addicted to phenibut after 4 years of continuous use. tolerance ends when u reach 10g per day and i used b/t 10-15g per night. this is a drug not a supp and needs more respect than i gave it. i needed a detox and rehab to get off it...coincidentally my dr. was from russia and she said u can die of a fatal overdose w/ it. she was familiar w/ it. klonopin was used to ween me off it.
    wow........thats a pricey habbit!!
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    My favorite set ups....

    Sleep aid-low level = Mealotinin 1.5g OR Neurobalance.
    Sleep aid -medium level = Both of above.
    Sleep that makes me go into coma = GABA @ 3-4g Mel. @ 1.5g Neurobalance 2tsp(rec dose)

    Good feel before work = Neurobalance
    Good feeling before "gettin physical with lady friend" = GABA
    Good feeling before test = Neurobalance

    I currently have on order Phenibut, more GABA(500g), Theanine by NOW.

    Just to be clear, i wouldnt recomend using these things with alcohol. All of these and alcohol effect brain chemicals/activation proccess, so i would watch it.

    I used GABA and 5HTP for a while everynight for a month or so with Mel sometimes, and when i started to discontinue use i noticed depression hit me a bit more.
    Becareful with doses and how much you take for how long.
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    For me the effects of phenibut are not even worth taking it. I need to take atleast 1.5-2g to illicit any type of a "buzz" and the next day i am blessed with a nice hangover. I might as well have the 3 or 4 beers which is about the equivalent buzz i get and not be hungover as s.hit. Does anyone know why phenibut even gives a hangover?
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    This is the first thread I have read in 6 months that was actually full of useful info, Thanks guys--
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    So i took 3g phenibut last night and got hammered. WOke up at 9 and yacked a lot. Then woek up at 2 I havnt sleept in that much for like, i cant even remember!! I thought i was gonna have the "phenibut hangover" but its gone away, mostly. thank god!
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    Honestly guys I think Phenibut is best used with much lower doses, at least for me.

    400mg is perfect for a mild feeling of relaxation, or a sleep aid with GABA , 5HTP, and melatonin.

    1g is a definite buzz...I cant even imagine taking more than 2g of Phenibut at once!!

    Another combo to try for a great mood lift is Caffiene, Phenylthalamine (PEA), and a MAO-B inhibitor like Hordenine. 400mg of Rhodiola on top of that for an extra special glow

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    So last night I took 1.4 g's of phenibut and went out ont he city with some friends. I must have drank a 12 pack over 6 hours. I won a dance contest with the HOTTEST girls at the club. I had no inhibitions but was pretty cognitive.

    This morning, I couldnt move. My dogs hated me. In fact, I couldnt figure out why I was so slow, until i saw this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dadream View Post
    For me the effects of phenibut are not even worth taking it. I need to take atleast 1.5-2g to illicit any type of a "buzz" and the next day i am blessed with a nice hangover. I might as well have the 3 or 4 beers which is about the equivalent buzz i get and not be hungover as s.hit. Does anyone know why phenibut even gives a hangover?
    phenibut ellicits very potent anti-anxiety effects but tolerance does build up. i used around 10g ed and i was relaxed-also very addicted unfortunately!
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    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
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    Im thinking of replacing it with L-Theanine. I have gone though one bottle(Fifty grams ) in two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman View Post
    my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
    its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.
    I don't think Phenibut is a benzodiazapine - there isnt a benzene or diazapene ring anywhere in the 4-amino-3-phenyl-butanoic acid (phenibut) molecule...if anything Phenibut bears a structural similarity to PEA, and from what Ive been reading it is a GABA receptor agonist, as well as causing a rise in dopamine levels. This could possibly be one of the causes of its anxiolytic effect, and why it is somewhat similar to benzos like Valium and Xanax in effect.

    Anything can be lethal at the right dose, even water. Phenibut's LD50 in rats is about 900mg/kg - and if that translates to humans you'd have to take 81g of the stuff before you had a 50% chance of killing yourself.

    I'll reiterate when I say that I really believe Phenibut is best use in lower doses and only when needed...there are better chemicals out there for recreational use, with less in the way of tolerence and potential negative side effects.

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