Is Kratom legal?

Originally Posted by Hyde12

Is Kratom legal?

as of now....yes...lets keep it to responsible use to not give the gov anymore reason to 'protect us from ourselves'

phenibut is lovely stuff.i suppose it depends on ones personal chemistry.but as one that tends to be gaba deficient and just loves gaba based substances.its fantastic 500mg-1g during the day makes for a great day.
but 1.5-2g in the afternoon then again a couple hours later makes for a hellluva night!a few brews and there ya go!definately nice as u can get a good synergy with alcohol where u get a nice buzz but less body load from the alcohol.plus,somehow..hard to explain,but at least for me.it somehow intensifies the buzz while at the same time making it more...managable and not quite as '****ed up'

the company that solves the tolerance issue will be very very very rich..........and make me and many others very very very happy!

ps-smeton yeah....in your avi u look like a jacked steve-o

I've taken both ergopharm's psychotopin and MRM's relax-all, both require a 1.5 dose to get desired effects and i supped extra choline to study on the psych. the MRM is pretty good and there was time after intense work outs where i'd double dose and feel like i was drifting

i was looking at a post i made on this thread 2 years ago and PHENIBUT IS STILL THE UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP!! yes i've been using it that long at least and this thread is the 1st documented piece that shows how long i've been on. DON'T BE ALARMED you will develop a quick tolerance to it for about the 1st month or so then you will be at that dose for as long as you want to use it. i use 5-6 grams at night and get a nice effect from it-helps me sleep and helped me overcome social phobia as well w/ effexor. ALSO STOPPED PHENIBUT FOR 9-10 MONTHS w/ no problems. no bad benzo withdraw nothing at all and i heard benzo w/d can feel like the world ending. GREAT STUFF!!

As for a person that did GABA for two years strait.. Dont do Gaba or Phenibut before bedtime, it inhibits Melatonin.

Melatonin alters sperm quality - Mind and Muscle Forums

How is the taste of phenibut in bulk? Is it tolerable or does it make one gag?

Originally Posted by JohnnyBGood

How is the taste of phenibut in bulk? Is it tolerable or does it make one gag?

I's a little bitter/sour but not too bad.

Originally Posted by Grifter

Is there anything better thats legal, for having a sense of well being?

Picamilon but it varies.

How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?

phenibut is pretty good stuff. i can do about 3g and feel fine the next day.

Originally Posted by stevesliwa

Picamilon but it varies.

anymore info/feedback on it?....

Originally Posted by heebs10

phenibut is pretty good stuff. i can do about 3g and feel fine the next day.

Do you find that you quickly build a tolerance though?

I dont seem to have tolerance issues with Phenibut, however I find its most useful is lower dosages. For sleep, I combine 400mg Phenibut with 500mg GABA, 3mg melatonin and Im down for the count. For a mood booster during the workday, 200mg Phenibut seems to be very effective.

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

I dont seem to have tolerance issues with Phenibut, however I find its most useful is lower dosages. For sleep, I combine 400mg Phenibut with 500mg GABA, 3mg melatonin and Im down for the count. For a mood booster during the workday, 200mg Phenibut seems to be very effective.

Do you find that you get any kind of buzz from it? I'm not interested in the sleep aspects of it - I'm looking for a buzz (kind of an alcohol replacement I guess). Renewtrient was absolutely amazing for me and I've been trying to replicate its effects ever since it was banned. I'm only interested in legal alternatives too.

As for a person that did GABA for two years strait.. Dont do Gaba or Phenibut before bedtime, it inhibits Melatonin.

Melatonin alters sperm quality - Mind and Muscle Forums

That study seems awfully inconclusive...although some of the science behind it makes sense. Many things can lead to reduced sperm quality and on a study with such a small group I'd think it would be hard to pinpoint melatonin as being the sole culprit there.

The recommendation that <1mg doses are ideal is interesting though. Perhaps *too much* melatonin is the problem...

BV

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

That study seems awfully inconclusive...although some of the science behind it makes sense. Many things can lead to reduced sperm quality and on a study with such a small group I'd think it would be hard to pinpoint melatonin as being the sole culprit there.

The recommendation that <1mg doses are ideal is interesting though. Perhaps *too much* melatonin is the problem...

BV

I've found that small doses of melatonin (.25 mg) to be most effective personally. Enough to tip the balance but not so much that I'm drugging myself into sleep.

Originally Posted by yeahright

I've found that small doses of melatonin (.25 mg) to be most effective personally. Enough to tip the balance but not so much that I'm drugging myself into sleep.

You do your research yeahright or you have experience... yes a very low dose is ok but anything higher like 3 mgs research say it isnt healthy. I beleive it's 200 mcg's.

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

That study seems awfully inconclusive...although some of the science behind it makes sense. Many things can lead to reduced sperm quality and on a study with such a small group I'd think it would be hard to pinpoint melatonin as being the sole culprit there.

The recommendation that <1mg doses are ideal is interesting though. Perhaps *too much* melatonin is the problem...

BV

Thats what the research came up with 200 mcg's.

Gaba , phenibut and taurine inhibit Mel. so its best not to take them before bed. Its in the thread posted.

Originally Posted by smeton_yea

Thats what the research came up with 200 mcg's.

Gaba , phenibut and taurine inhibit Mel. so its best not to take them before bed. Its in the thread posted.

Why not Taurine? I ask because I just bought a kilo of it because of its cheapness. Is Taurine related to GABA?

Thats what the research came up with 200 mcg's.

Gaba , phenibut and taurine inhibit Mel. so its best not to take them before bed. Its in the thread posted.

Yes, but so does flipping on the bathroom light when you wake up in the middle of the night to go take a leak...how much though Im not sure.

Im not sure either but whejn I heard this I stopped taurine before bed.

other people over at M and M have said they expirence greater sleep. It might have only been one person..its in that thread I posted, I think

Originally Posted by scott72

LOL, your welcome to join the LONG list of us on here that have irriated our wives by stealing a cupboard or two...

Now that crap is funny, I thought it was just me.

Phenibut is strong. I took some last night AND WOKE UP three hours later than I would have liked have. and felt really Pheniphened=)

1st time I took Phenibut I took 2 or 2.5g felt the "euphoria" and the social dis-inhibitory effect. That was a while back.

I take it once a week now, maybe twice. I take 6-10g now, LOL. I don't feel the "euphoria" at all anymore, the social dis-inhibitory effect is still there but not as strong, makes you very sensual, sex is unbelievable on it, mixes well w/ booze, you loose all negativity, makes you "love" everybody but the build up of tolerance really sucks. After a while it don't do much and you end up taken 10g w/ lesser and lesser effect.

Yeah, its the best, at least as far as I've taken. I've never taken x-tacy or ghb but I suppose there similar in the "I-love-everyone" feel.

Picamilon I've had alot of experience w/ too. Its gaba + niacin to facilitate gaba thru the "brain barrier." I sometimes get the "phenibut" feel on Picamilon but never as strong and its inconsistent but I've only gone as high as 1g on Picamilon, maybe I'll ramp it up to 1.5-2g see how it is.

I take it once a week now, maybe twice. I take 6-10g now, LOL. I don't feel the "euphoria" at all anymore, the social dis-inhibitory effect is still there but not as strong, makes you very sensual, sex is unbelievable on it, mixes well w/ booze, you loose all negativity, makes you "love" everybody but the build up of tolerance really sucks. After a while it don't do much and you end up taken 10g w/ lesser and lesser effect.

Wow, that's a lot of phenibut!! I can't take any more than 1g without feeling completely out of it.

bv

same here. Its important to only take it when you really need it. for sleep or under extreme stress. or when your body is adapting to something. Phenibut has been used to treat addictions... basically any addiction.

The only reason is was introduced to the bodybuilding community is the fact the hard trainign atheletes put there mind though so much more than the average indivdual does, thus a bodybuilding can benifit from stress sometimes caused by the Intensity of training.

Note p[henibut is not recommended to the beginners or "light work-out boys", only for the very serious atheletes and hardcore folks. and anyopne can use it but its this is its purpose in bodybuilding

The only reason is was introduced to the bodybuilding community is the fact the hard trainign atheletes put there mind though so much more than the average indivdual does, thus a bodybuilding can benifit from stress sometimes caused by the Intensity of training.

I totally agree there - sometimes at night, after a long day at work my head is full of 1000 different things and the thought train wont stop running. One of my favorite adaptogens, Rhodiola Rosea, usually provides a slight stimulant effect so its not very good for sleep. But phenibut smooths the edges of a rough day very nicely, easing anxiety and relaxing me just enough to catch a good night's sleep.

BV

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

Yes, but so does flipping on the bathroom light when you wake up in the middle of the night to go take a leak...how much though Im not sure.

who needs lights......just guess,and go.........

Originally Posted by psywzrd

How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?

also interested, there are many gaba analogs that are not available .

Originally Posted by psywzrd
How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?

also interested, there are many gaba analogs that are not available .

If you live in the US, do not try to import GBL. You are asking to have your house raided by the DEA.

You can get a prescription for Xyrem, which is GHB, if you are suffering from fibromyalgia (chronic fatigue syndrome), or have a serious problem with a lack of slow wave sleep.

BV