LOL. Yeah, that and the vet websitesOriginally Posted by DR.D
LOL. Yeah, that and the vet websitesOriginally Posted by DR.D
As nice as it would be, 2 years worth of antibiotics would be a great way to destroy all my hard work in the gym, ("Farewell Protein Synthesis"). I'm not sure I'm ready for that at this point in my life.Originally Posted by Cosmo
Originally Posted by DR.D
This is a phenomena I've been observing quietly for awhile. In fact, it's one of the main reasons I read as much as I do:
I find the trends fascinating.
The influence of just a few anecdotal experiences with a new drug/method are unreal. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
One of the biggest waves began with M1T. Everyone jumped on that, used it with reckless abandonment regardless of the toxicity. Later on, a group decision was made to hate it, and everyone jumped on that belief.
Everyone began injecting when injectable PH's began selling from board sponsers. Just like with M1T, first the cautious tried it and reported good feedback, then others followed. Soon you had many homebrewing, and from there it was established, "this is the thing required to satisfy the desire for inclusion and make up for previous short comings".
Dr. D- You've mentioned a couple drug protocols lately that I've considered to be not worth the venture based on previous acceptance:
First would be GH releasers. Most seem to have concluded that whether they work or not at releasing more growth hormone isn't important to the end result because only chronically elevated GH is going to make any realistic difference over a short period of time.
The other one I saw was of vanadyl. I used vanadyl extensively on and off for a couple years. I always thought it worked well and was cost efficient. I gave it up later because others believed it didn't work.
A similar example would be DS's glucophase. I thought it was well established that only exogeneous insulin was anabolic for bodybuilding purposes. Not only that, but what's the point of sensitizing insulin if it doesn't effect what type of tissue is targeted?
The same goes for diets and training methods, as is the case over at Lyle's board. At one time, everyone preached CKD and TKD, then it was UD2, then back to a more controlled mixed diet, and then of course the PSMF.
The majority of readers will do whatever is popular.
I predict, in a month or two, you'll see a lot of other 'experienced' members of other boards preaching the safe and precautious advice of always keeping antibiotics on hand when using injectables. Just as important as Nolva is.
And you heard it here first.
Don't get me wrong. I'm guilty of this too. Very guilty.
Thanks again, Dr. D, for sharing here. Your experience, knowledge, and independant opinions have me thinking.
Endogenous is just as good if you can get it high enough. That's the trick. It is limited to what you can negotiate your body to biosynthesize. What is PSMF?Originally Posted by rhinochaser48
If one is going to be injecting then having antibiotics should be obvious. Unfortunately, I think many individuals neglect this. The current craze of UG labs makes this even more important as clean rooms are certainly not used.Originally Posted by rhinochaser48
One needs to be responsible when injecting. Having antibiotics and being aware about abscesses is part of that responsibility.
good posting !!
thing is we should be telling everyone to refilter and attempt NOT to over use the antibotics..Originally Posted by size
those are both a good ideas matt,thats how i beleive i'll use most of the sterile ph/ps's that i have stocked[refilter into a sterile vial] before use. thanks DR. D thats a good list of antis/doses/time.
You are right. I thought the majority of this was common knowledge but obviously I was wrong.Originally Posted by Matthew D
Using an antibiotic when it is not needed is dangerous as your body will not respond as well to future antibiotic needs.
I added a section to the end of my post to emphasize the good points you and Matt make to try and avoid use in the first place. But at the same time, people should not hesitate to treat possible infection at the first legitimate suspicion. If it's not a real infection you know fast and can stop AB use after a few days which doesn't hurt future use. It's just a smart precaution. So keeping the proper balance is important.Originally Posted by size
allright, post of the year goes to the good dr.
Originally Posted by Matthew D
Thing is, I've heard this from day one. Before I knew what was being talked about on the boards, I had read about filtering and heating shocking to make dirty product steril.
I had never heard of anyone stocking or administering antibiotics, ever.
The closest advice was, "go to the ER". Still good advice, of course.
Sounds interesting, thanks from the replay my man. I'm always looking for a better way to eat.
Originally Posted by rhinochaser48
is putting an ice pack on a maybe or maybe not abcess a good idea or bad......its been over 48 hours ?and just could be a bad inject..[hit sommething] ...my temp 96.9...i know its weird but can you have a lowgrade fever with a potential abcess..lets see its a front delt i hit all three heads with 1 cc.
and the only bad one is the front i think it was tensed up,2"x3" bloch, red ,raised up higher than my skin ,posibly a little darker around the edge.
at this point i dont know,how much could it hurt if i wait another 24-48 hrs ?
Last edited by WATERLOGGED; 04-21-2005 at 02:20 PM.
well i just waited 24hrs now the redness is gone so i guess no infection so still hurt to move it in most directions and feels a little funny so i'm convinced that i sheared a nerve thats all .but shots still make my muscle sore as ****....oh thanks to all that helped with reasuranse or helpful imfo !...bros...lol
about antibiotics on protein synthesisOriginally Posted by rhinochaser48
don't antibiotics affect bacterial ribosomes protein synthesis and not the human ribo? or do antibiotics just inhibit protein syn. in your entire body?
Doxy is probably the worst, and it ain't that bad. I've used it low dose(100mg/day) for up to 2 months straight without a big problem. Effects bacteria more than you, kind of dose and strength dependent, but very over-estimated. If your laying in a hospital bed taking several g's a day of AB's, after a month you may have a problem.Originally Posted by hikneeken