Help with sleep
- 01-31-2005, 12:42 PM
Help with sleep
This is an area I've never done much research on but is there anything out there helps with quality of sleep? I'm looking for something that helps with the overall quality so I don't feel like I'm draggin ass for the first hour after I get up.For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.
- 01-31-2005, 02:40 PM
I recently switched from melatonin to valerian root and i love it. With melatonin i had that same "draggin ass" feeling unless i got more than 7 or 8 hrs of sleep. No matter how much sleep i get with valerian root i wake up feeling good.
- 01-31-2005, 02:42 PM
Have you tried manipulating your sleep environment? Changes in lighting, white noise, sleep positioning etc. may encourage you to sleep better. I know these things help me and I often suffer from bouts of insomnia.
For medications, I know ambien helps many.
01-31-2005, 03:45 PM
I have been looking for something to help me sleep better as well. I wake up around 5-10 times a night and feel like **** in the morning because of it. I was thinking of trying ZMA. Anyone else tried it?
01-31-2005, 04:04 PM
I would recommend this book called "Powerfull Sleep", you can read the 2 first chapters for free at http://www.powerfulsleep.com , it really shows you how the body works when it comes to sleeping, and how small changes in your life style can help the quality of sleep. Remember when it comes to sleeping , quality is much more important than quantity.
01-31-2005, 04:29 PM
I've tried most of the drugs, they stop working quickly and/or leave one with the dull dragass feeling the next day.
My recommendation is delta entrainment sound CDs, the one I use works very well for faster and more refreshing sleep and I have a friend who thinks the magnetic sleep disk is great.
See http://www.toolsforwellness.com/sleep-technology.html , this seller is a good one.
A general FYI, that's one cool site of non-chemical tools for awareness and functioning.
01-31-2005, 09:24 PM
I use a wave/white noise machine and it works quite well. It really enhances the quality of sleep for me and my wife. It's especially nice in the summer when the windows are open as it blots out a lot of noise..ie birds at the crack of dawn.
Melatonin does make me drag ass and even get depressed. Dr D suggested using a dose of DHEA in the morning to counteract this and it does seem to work well but I rarely use Melatonin anymore.
High quality valerian extract is great however the effect wears off after a few days or weeks of constant use. It is great to use sporadically, especially when you want to sleep in. It relaxes muscles very well.
If you can find it, Hop extract (no not beer) is also very nice for relaxing.
My favorite is theanine stacked with some ZMA. 1fast and BAC both carry theanine.
02-01-2005, 02:10 PM
02-01-2005, 02:59 PM
02-01-2005, 09:06 PM
Tylenol PM works good too. Oh, and you DON'T wanna try Unisom, **** ****s me up so bad , I feel like sleeping for a week.
02-01-2005, 09:25 PM
02-01-2005, 10:27 PM
02-01-2005, 10:28 PM
I like Tylenol PM to knock you out, but if I don't get enough sleep, I wake up groggy. If I do get enough sleep, then I feel like a million bucks.Originally Posted by DmitryWI
02-01-2005, 10:41 PM
Chamomile tea before bed and 5-HTP work well. They also don't cost you the next day. Valerian root (as necessarry) helps, and doesn't seem to linger the next day. Melatonin if you must, but if you get too used to relying on it you A) can't sleep without it and B) lag the next day--both unacceptable options IMO. If you get into using the various "PM" formulas like tylenol, or sominex or something, it seems you really risk setting yourself up for becoming reliant on them. I know people who "knock themselves out" with some sh!t at night, then they can't possibly ever sleep or get good rest without the crap now! Hell, you may as well get a bottle of Night Train with that method! Okay, that's a joke. But I want to be healthy, and get tired on my own merit from work, exercise, and natural living activity. I try to use as little as possible to sleep.
02-01-2005, 10:45 PM
02-01-2005, 10:54 PM
02-02-2005, 01:51 AM
..oh and jerking off really seems to help. Very relaxing.
I use BAC for most herbs. Valerian I get as a liquid extract (tastes awful) from a local herbalist. My white noise machine a cheapy HoMedics deal from Target.
I'm sensitive to most drugs/herbs so my doses are probably of no real use.
02-02-2005, 06:19 AM
When I was in Egypt I got some Valium over the counter and took it before a nine hour bus ride. I sat down in my seat, and the next time I opened my eyes we had arrived. If you can get your hands on it, that stuff works great. Might be a little tougher to get in the States than in Egypt tho.
02-02-2005, 11:09 AM
Kava kava.....natures valium
ZMA is nice too, some great dreams.
I also had to stop listening to the voices in my head before I went to sleep.
02-03-2005, 09:51 AM
02-03-2005, 10:00 AM
I take 100mg zinc+500 mg mag with the last meal of evening and always feel much more rested, pretty crazy dreams too. I also used to feel like I was draggin ass in the am till I consistently did this. I also have started 200mg of dhea a day for the past month and an energy increase has been noticable as well.
02-04-2005, 04:54 PM
02-04-2005, 05:15 PM
You just have to keep a consistant sleep scedule. Get up and go to be the same time each day no matter what. I have trouble with that myself, but once I get into a schedule it works. Once I screw it up, I have to get back on schedule by either taking a sleeping pill the night before, or just getting up and being tired all day so I can sleep that night. Also don't drink so much water, if you do get it all finished at least 4 hours before bed.
02-17-2005, 08:30 PM
02-18-2005, 08:25 AM
I've been taking clonidine for the past week and man the **** knocks me out, I fell asleep at the keyboard two nights ago, head on the keys and all...
02-20-2005, 03:57 AM
phenibut at 500-1000mgs works like a dream. however if you take more than that it will leave you with a 24hr hangover effect. thanx to a cool bro on here i now use that dose and there is no hangover
02-20-2005, 10:56 AM
I regularly dose at 20g and I sleep like a dead man. Only problem is in the morning it takes an extra cup of coffee to bring me around.Originally Posted by dingling
02-20-2005, 10:07 PM
ok well I know we are talking about OTC drugs here but since I am not really big on pills(even buy powdered pain reliever) when I started having trouble sleeping a spent the money on a good matress. Nothing like a nice pillow top matress
02-21-2005, 06:26 PM
Making your waking hours enjoyable and satisfying helps sleep. But damn, I wish I had the money for one of them NASA beds. Has anyone tried that stuff? You know, the memory foam stuff.
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02-21-2005, 06:48 PM
Thats what I have. Well I purchased mine from Bobs Discount Furniture. It is there version and its alot cheaper then the well advertised one. The king cost me $1299 matress and boxspring. And since im into stats Here are the states of the Bed...LMFAOOriginally Posted by Aeternitatis
Visco Elastic Memory Foam 3â€? of 5.30 Pound (15ILD)
7â€? of High Density Foam Support Base
Breathable Beige Velour (Non-Quilted)Ticking
FIRM, PLUSH or Dual Firm on one side Plush on the other
Rubberized non-skid Mat Bottom
Anti-Allergy Treated Cover
10â€? Mattress Height
Everyone needs one of these damn mattresses
if you would like the link to the other size beds they are here... http://www.mybobs.com/catalog/beddin...ding&set=pedic
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