I need some info plz.....Guys on Depression meds, what are you taking?

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  1. Dr. D. just a little clarification for you. the ampetamines are CII not CIII. it is not clear from your context which CIII's you were referring to, but you mentioned amphetamines in the next sentence and those (e.g. dexedrine, etc.) are CII not CIII


  2. msclbldrguy,


    I wouldn't lay off the Lexapro for a day or two. That may actually make the symptoms worse. Antidepressants are the type of thing that some of the initial discomfort wears off after taking them straight through for a while. As far as the Lexapro in general though, I have never talked with any men that are active that have had good results. Check out issue number 7 of The Bull over at Bulk Nutrition for a good article comparing SSRIs.


    Mr.50
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jjjd
    Dr. D. just a little clarification for you. the ampetamines are CII not CIII. it is not clear from your context which CIII's you were referring to, but you mentioned amphetamines in the next sentence and those (e.g. dexedrine, etc.) are CII not CIII
    You are quite right, sorry for confusing anyone. It's those triplicate Rx's that I must have been thinking of, even Ritalin is a CII, crazy man. As for Celexa or it's isomers, I like the effects, but just can't take the sides. Sore throat is the biggy

  4. i can understand why they are schedule II, due to the rampant abuse of these as street drugs. these are the HOT street drugs among high school kids in my area. kids selling their ritalin, dexedrines, etc. is very common. or male kids giving them to female kids in exchange for 'special consideration' is not too uncommon either. it's kind of funny to think these drugs are the same schedule as cocaine or oxycontins, though. i agree.

  5. The potential for abuse is definately there. It is unfortunate that such effective drugs also hold such a potential to cause other problems for people if they can not control their use.



    Mr.50
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  6. The problem with many "anti depresants" is they are over prescribed as far as dosages, and people could benifit by lower doses, not be numbed up, and still be able to deal with life in general.One of the other problems is mixing other drugs, and or alchohol while using them...this is a big no no.
    My personal expirence with Fluoxetine (Prozac) is at lower doses (10mg per day, 20+is regular), it has been extremely effective in dealing with depresion (family history) without the side of numbness, or a limp willie, and makes it a little easier to deal with things, but at the same time does not make things go away, and mentally still have to deal with life.
    From hearing from people I know, higher doses are hard to come off of...Paxil being the worse..and has been a living hell for a friend of mine, even following the prescribed process of "coming down".
    An article in the wallstreet Jornal had the FDA and some medical association siting the testing for Zoloft was highly inaccurate in that they presented the facts for the drug as being successful, but also hid the finding that a placebo was just as sucessful.
    In any case do your research, research the findings and test studies, the stuff does work and can make a difference, but remember that the drug companies out there are here to make a profit, and will push wheever the market has an opening.

    Peace!

  7. Im on a mission to limit my seasonal affective disorder..I use Rhodiola rosea 1.5 grams a day and St.Johns Wort..This is the 6th day in a row in New England with no sun,cloudy,snow,fog,gloomy I F---king hate it.Im not dancing in the streets but these 2 herbs seem to help..If you feel real bad do not take it lightly call for professional help.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by willieman
    The problem with many "anti depresants" is they are over prescribed as far as dosages, and people could benifit by lower doses, not be numbed up, and still be able to deal with life in general.One of the other problems is mixing other drugs, and or alchohol while using them...this is a big no no.
    My personal expirence with Fluoxetine (Prozac) is at lower doses (10mg per day, 20+is regular), it has been extremely effective in dealing with depresion (family history) without the side of numbness, or a limp willie, and makes it a little easier to deal with things, but at the same time does not make things go away, and mentally still have to deal with life.
    From hearing from people I know, higher doses are hard to come off of...Paxil being the worse..and has been a living hell for a friend of mine, even following the prescribed process of "coming down".
    An article in the wallstreet Jornal had the FDA and some medical association siting the testing for Zoloft was highly inaccurate in that they presented the facts for the drug as being successful, but also hid the finding that a placebo was just as sucessful.
    In any case do your research, research the findings and test studies, the stuff does work and can make a difference, but remember that the drug companies out there are here to make a profit, and will push wheever the market has an opening.

    Peace!
    10mg is the right dose for me too, it's really rare that a drug is misdosed so bad. Same with Effexor, like 12.5mg is all I can handle.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN
    Im on a mission to limit my seasonal affective disorder..I use Rhodiola rosea 1.5 grams a day and St.Johns Wort..This is the 6th day in a row in New England with no sun,cloudy,snow,fog,gloomy I F---king hate it.Im not dancing in the streets but these 2 herbs seem to help..If you feel real bad do not take it lightly call for professional help.
    Bio told me once the Rhod worked well, maybe I'm dosing too low cause I don't get a benefit.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Bio told me once the Rhod worked well, maybe I'm dosing too low cause I don't get a benefit.
    Dr.D Check out chemical comp. I thought of you when I read it because it seems something you would understand..I read 1.5 to 2 grams a day for mood.

    http://smart-drugs.net/Rhodiola-rosea.htm

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN
    Dr.D Check out chemical comp. I thought of you when I read it because it seems something you would understand..I read 1.5 to 2 grams a day for mood.

    http://smart-drugs.net/Rhodiola-rosea.htm
    Thanks bud, that'll keep me busy for a long time! Got a lot of leads to look up on from that info, but really, I hope you start feeling better soon bro. I've been depressed since I was a teen, I know it comes in cycles and how it sux. Seems like life was just better years ago when I still used 'herbs' Now I have to find some legal ones that really work.

  12. I agree with you guys on all of this. I just switched from Paxil to Zoloft and have used all the others in the past will little success. It keeps the depression from getting really bad but I never feel like I am really living. My emotions are all blunted, the good and bad ones. I feel like it is really hard to get motivated about certain topics. Also the sex drive side effects suck. I really worry if I ever have kids some day that I will pass this on to them; and I never want anyone to go through the emotion ups and downs that I have. Well maybe some people....


    Mr.50

  13. I've stopped using Rhodiola as it seems to make me spike and crash and I can't figure out a good dosing scheme. Knowing the half life of the actives would be nice.

    I'm doing really well this season, even through a gnarly PCT, by using ALCAR 2 grams/d stacked with folic acid at 1500 mcgms/day and a selenium cap. This was doing well even before I recieved some other herbal delight I can't mention.

    I'd like to try deprenyl and DL-Phenylalanine stacked but so far have had no need.

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  15. I tried Lexapro did absolutly nothing I switched to Effexor and It worked great with no sides, I never tried wellbutrin though.

  16. Wellbuterin is just dirty speed. Big time depersonalization and cardio acceleration for me at 450mg. Dexadrine is the king of the phenethylamine class. It's clean at 20mg, you don't even know your on it. All the rest have sides.

    DL-Phenylalanine is effective at 6g+, mostly just for enhancement of narcotics. The natural l isomer should be used by itself for it's norepinephrine boosting action. Tyrosine is even one step closer, but I've never tried it at high doses.

    L-Depryl is hardcore. It sounds good but the effects are dirty and it just doesn't feel as good as it sounds. It's major metabolite is l-methamphetamine, same thing as found in Vicks nasal inhalers.

    SSRI's(Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc...) are like stabilizers. They "zero" your mood which is good for mania, lithium works too but shuts down your thyroid. So when your down they bring you up. Problem is, once you bounce out of the depression and start to feel up, you notice they're holding you down in certain places (what mr.50 mentions.) They kill your personality and make it hard to even laugh. That's when you know it's time to give them a break because you're probably not 'depressed' anymore.

    Tricyclics are sedating and stupifying. Again, the concept is good, but they act at too many receptor sites. Pamalor is probably the best in this class.

    The RenewG is a Blue Nitro knock-off I think. It's not the original formula which was GLB or 1,4-butanediol. The ingredients are serotonergics, GABA modulators, and a disassociative. Be careful w/ the DXM, it's raised my liver enzymes big time before with higher doses. It should not be used daily if on cycle with methyls. The kava is an effective sedative, but rumored to be liver toxic too.

    I don't mean to sound preachy, but Jesus Christ is the best real cure I've found. Took years to find Him, but I can't deny now. I remember when I first investigated Christianity, because I had been researching alien abduction phenomenon and the evidence of the Bible codes, it was hard to read the Bible at first. It's quite bloody and foreign initially, but I can honestly say that it must be true. I've studied the codes and they do exist. The Truth is hard to swallow but it's a good eternal anti-depressant.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN
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    Renewtrient?
    A.. Within 15-20 minutes Renew G produces very strong euphoric feelings similar to GHB and
    ecstasy. Rolling and waving sensations last about 4 hours.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    10mg is the right dose for me too, it's really rare that a drug is misdosed so bad. Same with Effexor, like 12.5mg is all I can handle.
    If 12.5mg of Effexor is right for you, than I would assume a lot of people could also benefit on such a low dose. Why is it that the lowest possible dose to be prescribed is 37.5mg?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by NPursuit
    If 12.5mg of Effexor is right for you, than I would assume a lot of people could also benefit on such a low dose. Why is it that the lowest possible dose to be prescribed is 37.5mg?
    I don't know why some drugs are mis-marketed on the dose. People are just different in their response. For example, I need about 300mg Zoloft, most people need less than 100, so it depends on the person. Effexor is a mixed SSRI/SNERI like Serzone, so it gets even more complicated. Effexor would tear up my stomach at higher doses. I liked higher doses, I just couldn't take the sides.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    I don't know why some drugs are mis-marketed on the dose. People are just different in their response. For example, I need about 300mg Zoloft, most people need less than 100, so it depends on the person. Effexor is a mixed SSRI/SNERI like Serzone, so it gets even more complicated. Effexor would tear up my stomach at higher doses. I liked higher doses, I just couldn't take the sides.
    Zoloft...my dad takes that. I'm starting to think he needs a gram a day ( he gets horrible! turns into an *******, too).

    Does drinking really effect the efficacy of the drug? I mean, it says not to drink while on zoloft, and he takes his pills with a beer To make a long story short, it doesn't seem to be helping him too much and I think it's from the drinking. is it the drinking or does he just need a higher dose???

  21. My mood is much worse when I drink nowadays. It sucks that he drinks with his meds. I personally feel that it does effect the efficacy of the meds but of course sometime I do it. Whenever I do I really guage myself and still regret it often. The next day I usually feel really depressed 9even if not hungover) as alcohol is a depressant. Remember he may be drinking because he is depressed or he may be more depressed because he is drinking. I know its tough but try to get him to stop (I am sure you have already tried). If he won't though remember all of this info for yourself in case you have a time period in your life that you are depressed and also your relationship with alcohol.


    Mr.50

  22. His skull is a anti-reason bomb shelter that prohibits him from taking or giving an form of good advice. I love the guy, he's a hard worker and would give anything for his wife and kids, but he's a jackass unfortunately.

    He drinks because he's an alcoholic. I think that has more to do with his depression that his depression does with alcoholism.

    Bummer, really.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Zoloft...my dad takes that. I'm starting to think he needs a gram a day ( he gets horrible! turns into an *******, too).

    Does drinking really effect the efficacy of the drug? I mean, it says not to drink while on zoloft, and he takes his pills with a beer To make a long story short, it doesn't seem to be helping him too much and I think it's from the drinking. is it the drinking or does he just need a higher dose???
    It's hard to say bud, I personally do good with a few drinks every night. Makes me easier to get along with and more relaxed, but I do know people like your dad that take it too far. Maybe for alcoholics it has the opposite effect at some point. I know guys that get mean and start **** when they get drunk too, the worst kind of drinkers, they can't even stand up straight, but they wanna talk big **** too. Sorry about your dad. I'd guess that he should increase his dose on the zoloft. He may need something different too like a benzo. Xanax for example. There are so many drugs available, just keep trying them till you find one that works, that's what it takes. Just trial and error. Like M50 said, drinking probably does hurt efficacy, the PDR suggests that it will.

  24. it's been said that alcohol is the poor man's anti-depressant.

    works for many. goes horribly wrong for others

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    It's hard to say bud, I personally do good with a few drinks every night. Makes me easier to get along with and more relaxed, but I do know people like your dad that take it too far. Maybe for alcoholics it has the opposite effect at some point. I know guys that get mean and start **** when they get drunk too, the worst kind of drinkers, they can't even stand up straight, but they wanna talk big **** too. Sorry about your dad. I'd guess that he should increase his dose on the zoloft. He may need something different too like a benzo. Xanax for example. There are so many drugs available, just keep trying them till you find one that works, that's what it takes. Just trial and error. Like M50 said, drinking probably does hurt efficacy, the PDR suggests that it will.
    he's not a total *******...he's just acts like a kid. he doesn't get all drunk either, he just won't stop drinking beer...

    however, i believe he's be much better off just smoking pot that drinking. IMHO, he should get stoned and take his zoloft with water from now on

    thx for the reply!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by jjjd
    it's been said that alcohol is the poor man's anti-depressant.

    works for many. goes horribly wrong for others
    I rearranged the above "saying for you"

    "goes horribly wrong for many, works for others"

    he, he, he

  27. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Amphetamines are superior for deppression IMO over serotonergic drugs. Norepinephrine is the neurochemical that activates you when depressed. Dopamine enhances intrest and exploratory activity. Serotonin is a mellowing substance. Even drugs like Effector and Serzone, which have mixed activity, were to mellowing for me. There are some new SNEI's out there now I think that would work great. I have also tried every tricyclic too, they're not a good solution either. Wellbuterin is an amphetamine derivative, but it's cardiotoxic and depersonalizing, at least for me. There are much cleaner sympathomimetics out there. Ask your doc for Dexedrine, Adderal, Adipex, Prelu-2, Tenuate or Pemoline. The effectiveness of each of these is that order. This class of drug also has good residual. The longer you take it, the more likely the benefit is to stick and be permenant when you stop. Otherwise, pray and never give up, no matter what.
    Question for the doc: I was just wondering what you think of adderal over ritalin? I currently take ritalin for ADD problems. It works great for concentration, alertness, and depression, but may consider adderal if it works better.

  28. Actually, if ritalin is working for you, why switch? As far as antidepressants the greatest one is called trimethoxyphenethylamine at a dose of 500 mgs it will work for years after a single dose, now thats what I call effective! There are some minor sides though.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by MF210
    Question for the doc: I was just wondering what you think of adderal over ritalin? I currently take ritalin for ADD problems. It works great for concentration, alertness, and depression, but may consider adderal if it works better.
    The only prob w/ Ritilan is that it made me wired. Adderall is more soothing and much cleaner and potent. Also, Ritilan played out at about the 3month mark. It just stopped working, but Adderall keeps going year after year.

    Knowbull, your suggesting mescaline! It has it's place for sure, but I think he's looking for a daily med.
    Last edited by DR.D; 02-08-2005 at 07:34 PM.

  30. I think that the safest OTC is Prozac at 10mgs a day for 90 days or so, the older you get the less you want to play around with brain chemistry IMO. Short term use is the way to go the brain usually always wants to fix itself, and it will if you allow it
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