I need some info plz.....Guys on Depression meds, what are you taking?

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  1. Sounds good, but how habit forming is Ativan, and can it cure anxiety or just put it off and potentially make it worse when you stop using it?

    I have already burnt myself out due to poor judgement as a youth, I deal with it everyday now. By the way I'm not trying to sound like some self sorry dope, it's just a real concern that I have, and more drugs just seem to be more problems.



  2. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Sounds good, but how habit forming is Ativan, and can it cure anxiety or just put it off and potentially make it worse when you stop using it?

    I have already burnt myself out due to poor judgement as a youth, I deal with it everyday now. By the way I'm not trying to sound like some self sorry dope, it's just a real concern that I have, and more drugs just seem to be more problems.
    No, Ativan is the best of the benzos. It changes your attitude very well. I remember one time when I split up with my wife and got really depressed and futile. It was what got me through (this was before I believed in Christ and the power of prayer) I could take 2mg Ativan and cope, still go to work and be functional. I knew my life was ****ed up, I knew I could do some crazy **** at any moment, but I didn't. It's amazing in it's ability to relie anxiety in a very unique way. I still was fully aware of how things were, but it didn't seem to matter as much. Not like a doped up lethargic indifference, I just didn't respond with negative emotion. I could deal with it so much more appropriately. Before that, I was jumping out of my car at stop lights trying to fight anyone that looked at me wrong, crying like a little girl, assalt, property damage, I just really flip when I lose it. Ativan works wonders when your in an aggressive mood. It is situational relief, so it just delays the depression, but that's the whole thing about depression. There is no cure, a good man just does his best to deal with it and get over it as fast as he can, but we are all susceptable and some more than others. But no, you don't rebound when you stop taking it. As long as you keep the dose low. I also use it to help when I can't sleep, but I don't use it daily. If your intentions are to get high, you can do it with a benzo, so it can be habit forming. But like I said, it lowers cortisol and the long term toxicity is nil especially compared to dope or booze. I took it for a few years straight until I decided that I didn't need it like that anymore. Now, a few times a week is all I need. It not a "bad" drug.
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  3. I have to weigh in here as I have had over 15years personally and professionally with this topic. I must say that I agree with everything that Dr.D has said. The most current and cutting edge research supports the thought process that mood disorders are caused by changes in varous neurotransmitters and that the simple addition of a chemical that selectively affects one neurotransmitter (SSRIs for example) while promoting a higher emtional baseline is not often successful in returning a person to a normal range of emotions. Ensuring that thyroid function is normal and in optimal range should be a primary concern. If thyroid function is abnormal most antidepressants will have little to no effectivness anyway. Even if thyroid function is "normal" often times the addition of small doses of T3 throughout the day to an antidepressant regime will greatly improve symptoms in previously unresponsive individuals. Amphetamines will additionally be a great addition and are very effective. The only negative experience I have had or seen with them is that some individuals experience a "rebound type" crash effect after the effects of the drug wears off similar to an ephedrine junkie who has been overdoing it for six months on end and then abruptly stops taking his ephedrine.

    If you have access to and foreign med suppliers I would seriously look into trying to acquire a selective MAO-B inhibitor. This class of drug has been extremely effective in Europe for treating depression without the SSRI type side effects or the typical side effects associated with MAO inhibitors. Of course, unfortunately, it is not even available as a prescription in this country.

    Mr.50

  4. I just recently went to dr and he put me on lexapro. depression is better but this lethargy has gotta go. havent really had any other sides....i'm gonna lay off this for a day or so and see what happens.

    Good luck man..what did you decide to do?
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  5. Dr. D. just a little clarification for you. the ampetamines are CII not CIII. it is not clear from your context which CIII's you were referring to, but you mentioned amphetamines in the next sentence and those (e.g. dexedrine, etc.) are CII not CIII

  6. msclbldrguy,


    I wouldn't lay off the Lexapro for a day or two. That may actually make the symptoms worse. Antidepressants are the type of thing that some of the initial discomfort wears off after taking them straight through for a while. As far as the Lexapro in general though, I have never talked with any men that are active that have had good results. Check out issue number 7 of The Bull over at Bulk Nutrition for a good article comparing SSRIs.


    Mr.50

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jjjd
    Dr. D. just a little clarification for you. the ampetamines are CII not CIII. it is not clear from your context which CIII's you were referring to, but you mentioned amphetamines in the next sentence and those (e.g. dexedrine, etc.) are CII not CIII
    You are quite right, sorry for confusing anyone. It's those triplicate Rx's that I must have been thinking of, even Ritalin is a CII, crazy man. As for Celexa or it's isomers, I like the effects, but just can't take the sides. Sore throat is the biggy

  8. i can understand why they are schedule II, due to the rampant abuse of these as street drugs. these are the HOT street drugs among high school kids in my area. kids selling their ritalin, dexedrines, etc. is very common. or male kids giving them to female kids in exchange for 'special consideration' is not too uncommon either. it's kind of funny to think these drugs are the same schedule as cocaine or oxycontins, though. i agree.

  9. The potential for abuse is definately there. It is unfortunate that such effective drugs also hold such a potential to cause other problems for people if they can not control their use.



    Mr.50

  10. The problem with many "anti depresants" is they are over prescribed as far as dosages, and people could benifit by lower doses, not be numbed up, and still be able to deal with life in general.One of the other problems is mixing other drugs, and or alchohol while using them...this is a big no no.
    My personal expirence with Fluoxetine (Prozac) is at lower doses (10mg per day, 20+is regular), it has been extremely effective in dealing with depresion (family history) without the side of numbness, or a limp willie, and makes it a little easier to deal with things, but at the same time does not make things go away, and mentally still have to deal with life.
    From hearing from people I know, higher doses are hard to come off of...Paxil being the worse..and has been a living hell for a friend of mine, even following the prescribed process of "coming down".
    An article in the wallstreet Jornal had the FDA and some medical association siting the testing for Zoloft was highly inaccurate in that they presented the facts for the drug as being successful, but also hid the finding that a placebo was just as sucessful.
    In any case do your research, research the findings and test studies, the stuff does work and can make a difference, but remember that the drug companies out there are here to make a profit, and will push wheever the market has an opening.

    Peace!

  11. Im on a mission to limit my seasonal affective disorder..I use Rhodiola rosea 1.5 grams a day and St.Johns Wort..This is the 6th day in a row in New England with no sun,cloudy,snow,fog,gloomy I F---king hate it.Im not dancing in the streets but these 2 herbs seem to help..If you feel real bad do not take it lightly call for professional help.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by willieman
    The problem with many "anti depresants" is they are over prescribed as far as dosages, and people could benifit by lower doses, not be numbed up, and still be able to deal with life in general.One of the other problems is mixing other drugs, and or alchohol while using them...this is a big no no.
    My personal expirence with Fluoxetine (Prozac) is at lower doses (10mg per day, 20+is regular), it has been extremely effective in dealing with depresion (family history) without the side of numbness, or a limp willie, and makes it a little easier to deal with things, but at the same time does not make things go away, and mentally still have to deal with life.
    From hearing from people I know, higher doses are hard to come off of...Paxil being the worse..and has been a living hell for a friend of mine, even following the prescribed process of "coming down".
    An article in the wallstreet Jornal had the FDA and some medical association siting the testing for Zoloft was highly inaccurate in that they presented the facts for the drug as being successful, but also hid the finding that a placebo was just as sucessful.
    In any case do your research, research the findings and test studies, the stuff does work and can make a difference, but remember that the drug companies out there are here to make a profit, and will push wheever the market has an opening.

    Peace!
    10mg is the right dose for me too, it's really rare that a drug is misdosed so bad. Same with Effexor, like 12.5mg is all I can handle.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN
    Im on a mission to limit my seasonal affective disorder..I use Rhodiola rosea 1.5 grams a day and St.Johns Wort..This is the 6th day in a row in New England with no sun,cloudy,snow,fog,gloomy I F---king hate it.Im not dancing in the streets but these 2 herbs seem to help..If you feel real bad do not take it lightly call for professional help.
    Bio told me once the Rhod worked well, maybe I'm dosing too low cause I don't get a benefit.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Bio told me once the Rhod worked well, maybe I'm dosing too low cause I don't get a benefit.
    Dr.D Check out chemical comp. I thought of you when I read it because it seems something you would understand..I read 1.5 to 2 grams a day for mood.

    http://smart-drugs.net/Rhodiola-rosea.htm

  15. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN
    Dr.D Check out chemical comp. I thought of you when I read it because it seems something you would understand..I read 1.5 to 2 grams a day for mood.

    http://smart-drugs.net/Rhodiola-rosea.htm
    Thanks bud, that'll keep me busy for a long time! Got a lot of leads to look up on from that info, but really, I hope you start feeling better soon bro. I've been depressed since I was a teen, I know it comes in cycles and how it sux. Seems like life was just better years ago when I still used 'herbs' Now I have to find some legal ones that really work.

  16. I agree with you guys on all of this. I just switched from Paxil to Zoloft and have used all the others in the past will little success. It keeps the depression from getting really bad but I never feel like I am really living. My emotions are all blunted, the good and bad ones. I feel like it is really hard to get motivated about certain topics. Also the sex drive side effects suck. I really worry if I ever have kids some day that I will pass this on to them; and I never want anyone to go through the emotion ups and downs that I have. Well maybe some people....


    Mr.50

  17. I've stopped using Rhodiola as it seems to make me spike and crash and I can't figure out a good dosing scheme. Knowing the half life of the actives would be nice.

    I'm doing really well this season, even through a gnarly PCT, by using ALCAR 2 grams/d stacked with folic acid at 1500 mcgms/day and a selenium cap. This was doing well even before I recieved some other herbal delight I can't mention.

    I'd like to try deprenyl and DL-Phenylalanine stacked but so far have had no need.

  18. Anyone tried this stuff "RenewG"I heard it was pretty good



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  19. I tried Lexapro did absolutly nothing I switched to Effexor and It worked great with no sides, I never tried wellbutrin though.

  20. Wellbuterin is just dirty speed. Big time depersonalization and cardio acceleration for me at 450mg. Dexadrine is the king of the phenethylamine class. It's clean at 20mg, you don't even know your on it. All the rest have sides.

    DL-Phenylalanine is effective at 6g+, mostly just for enhancement of narcotics. The natural l isomer should be used by itself for it's norepinephrine boosting action. Tyrosine is even one step closer, but I've never tried it at high doses.

    L-Depryl is hardcore. It sounds good but the effects are dirty and it just doesn't feel as good as it sounds. It's major metabolite is l-methamphetamine, same thing as found in Vicks nasal inhalers.

    SSRI's(Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc...) are like stabilizers. They "zero" your mood which is good for mania, lithium works too but shuts down your thyroid. So when your down they bring you up. Problem is, once you bounce out of the depression and start to feel up, you notice they're holding you down in certain places (what mr.50 mentions.) They kill your personality and make it hard to even laugh. That's when you know it's time to give them a break because you're probably not 'depressed' anymore.

    Tricyclics are sedating and stupifying. Again, the concept is good, but they act at too many receptor sites. Pamalor is probably the best in this class.

    The RenewG is a Blue Nitro knock-off I think. It's not the original formula which was GLB or 1,4-butanediol. The ingredients are serotonergics, GABA modulators, and a disassociative. Be careful w/ the DXM, it's raised my liver enzymes big time before with higher doses. It should not be used daily if on cycle with methyls. The kava is an effective sedative, but rumored to be liver toxic too.

    I don't mean to sound preachy, but Jesus Christ is the best real cure I've found. Took years to find Him, but I can't deny now. I remember when I first investigated Christianity, because I had been researching alien abduction phenomenon and the evidence of the Bible codes, it was hard to read the Bible at first. It's quite bloody and foreign initially, but I can honestly say that it must be true. I've studied the codes and they do exist. The Truth is hard to swallow but it's a good eternal anti-depressant.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN
    Q. Honestly, how does Renew G compare to GHB, Blue Nitro, Verve, Furanone, and
    Renewtrient?
    A.. Within 15-20 minutes Renew G produces very strong euphoric feelings similar to GHB and
    ecstasy. Rolling and waving sensations last about 4 hours.
    I've tried it and if you are expecting this, forget about it. I did feel somewhat of an increased euphoric/relaxation feeling, but nothing to get excited about.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    10mg is the right dose for me too, it's really rare that a drug is misdosed so bad. Same with Effexor, like 12.5mg is all I can handle.
    If 12.5mg of Effexor is right for you, than I would assume a lot of people could also benefit on such a low dose. Why is it that the lowest possible dose to be prescribed is 37.5mg?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by NPursuit
    If 12.5mg of Effexor is right for you, than I would assume a lot of people could also benefit on such a low dose. Why is it that the lowest possible dose to be prescribed is 37.5mg?
    I don't know why some drugs are mis-marketed on the dose. People are just different in their response. For example, I need about 300mg Zoloft, most people need less than 100, so it depends on the person. Effexor is a mixed SSRI/SNERI like Serzone, so it gets even more complicated. Effexor would tear up my stomach at higher doses. I liked higher doses, I just couldn't take the sides.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    I don't know why some drugs are mis-marketed on the dose. People are just different in their response. For example, I need about 300mg Zoloft, most people need less than 100, so it depends on the person. Effexor is a mixed SSRI/SNERI like Serzone, so it gets even more complicated. Effexor would tear up my stomach at higher doses. I liked higher doses, I just couldn't take the sides.
    Zoloft...my dad takes that. I'm starting to think he needs a gram a day ( he gets horrible! turns into an *******, too).

    Does drinking really effect the efficacy of the drug? I mean, it says not to drink while on zoloft, and he takes his pills with a beer To make a long story short, it doesn't seem to be helping him too much and I think it's from the drinking. is it the drinking or does he just need a higher dose???
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