Anyone ever use these either when you jack your back or your muscles are just tight as hell? I use flexerall seldomly, but it seems to work well when I do use it. Anybody else?
Hey Dr.D, are muscle relaxers helpful in healing the back when its hurt, or does it just help with the pain? Also, I've been avoiding them when I'm on methyls, but I'm curious, are they very toxic on the liver? Thanks.The only one that I can take during the day is Norflex 100mg. It works great for 10-12 hr and causes no sedation at all. Librium, Paraflex, Flexaril all work, but make me tired.
Thanks Dr.D, appreciate all the great information.RobIn,
Some are liver toxic, like Paraflex (chlorzoxazone) and Soma (carisoprodol) but most of the newer ones are not. You could even use these with orals if it was just a once a day small dose. I know Valium makes you sleepy, but it works well too. You may have to break the tab in half and then break a half in half to use it without sedation. Just take a quarter of it and see. I like Norflex, it's a diphenhydramine derivative, but it results in zero sedation. Great for work and daytime use.
They don't really heal you except that they relax the muscle so as to ease inflammation. So they can help you heal in that way, but they can also make it worse if you take some and go work your ass off and end up bruising it even more. I'm guilty of that myself. So it's really just to help you cope with the pain while you get on with life but try to take it easy on the injured area for awhile.
No! It's actually a mild stimulant, unlike any other MR I know of. It can make you a little shakey w/ high doses of caff, and it's a good anhidrotic too. It's mental sharpening activity make the HCl salt useful in Parkinson illness, while the Citrate form is used as an MR. The generic name is orphenadrine. I think it's maketed w/ asprin in a combo called Parafon Forte, but I can't remember. I like the regular, generic 100mg tabs. It works all day and doesn't diminish your performance.Dr.D... does Norflex inhibit your daily activities at all?
No prob, anytime man.Thanks Dr.D, appreciate all the great information.
If you don't mind me asking what kind of Dr are you anyways? Can you prescribe me large doses of HRT? :twisted:
They don't all work the same, but they will generally slow reaction times and reduce strength as a result of nerve transmittion modification. This is an acute effect while you use them, but not a long term effect once they're gone. If you use them all the time, your muscles may atrophy a bit due to disuse of those muscles, but they don't inhibit growth directly.do muscle relaxers have any negative effect on muscle growth etc. like NSAIDs do in regards to the prostoglandin effect?
Found that out first hand when I was on percocet. My str was nill. It effected me so much I got off them early so I could go back to the gym feeling regular.hey don't all work the same, but they will generally slow reaction times and reduce strength as a result of nerve transmittion modification.
Yeah, me too, but hold on to it and fill the script anyway cause one day it may be useful for something!I have bottles of Flex sitting around from a previous back injury. I never take the crap im given but I hate throwing away stuff
Sounds more like you need a pain reliever than a muscle relaxer. MR's help with tight muscles. You could have some bruising or tissue damage from blunt force trauma.Yeah but when your in so much pain you can't even breathe, it hurts ( took a kick to my lower back by a gorilla weighting in at 250, and he got a lucky shot) so I was happy for the flex.....
It's not you bro, most doc's would rather see thier patients in pain that strung out on narcs. It's the rule. Some doc's are different, some are very different. Remember, the doctor works for you, if he's doing a bad job, get a new one. Don't live in pain, that's what they make pain-killer for, so if the doc doesn't care, why should you give him your biz? Good riddance. But when you find a good doctor, just make sure not to abuse your meds. Minimize use, take just what is needed for no longer that necessary.
I think most doctors are right not to prescribe pain killers for anything but chronic pain. And besides pain killers aren't resolving the underlying causes. I know a few co workers that were prescribed vicodin, then percocet them ms contin then oc contin because the pain got progressively worse. All it did was reduce the pain to a manageable level so that they could inflict more damage.
I had back spasms too and flexerall made me sick and knocked me out as well. Methadone ellicted the same effect. Soma provided nice relief and very little drowsiness or loss of motor functions unless taken with alcohol. Unfortunately, perhaps due to weight training, the effectiveness of each dose reduced causing one to have to use more, thus paving a path towards addiction. It also may have been the fact that I couldn't feel pain so pushed harder causing more damage and subsequent pain forcing an increased dosage.
It's an interesting compound. It has antagonistic activity at the GABA sub A receptor so it may elevate cortisol but will result in little sedation. Half-life is ~7hr. If you use 8mgs for a few wks, that shouldn't generate too many sides.Dr.D, what about tiocolchicoside?
I took 8mg ED for a couple weeks when i had a problem with my shoulded and helped a bit. I had no sides.
I used it for 2 weeks at 8mg ED splitted in two doses. I didnt feel anything but a little catabolism was possible since i couldnt train The benefit on my shoulder pain was so low that I dont plan to use it anymore in the future.It's an interesting compound. It has antagonistic activity at the GABA sub A receptor so it may elevate cortisol but will result in little sedation. Half-life is ~7hr. If you use 8mgs for a few wks, that shouldn't generate too many sides.
Good to see you back Syr!
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