- 09-16-2005, 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by BodyWizard
Letro has a long half-life, so just take it at the same time every day. First thing in the morning would be fine, but it probably doesn't matter too much when.
- 09-16-2005, 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by Ghosting
09-16-2005, 11:19 PM
1 question, what do you know about ATD causing a rebound? I dont fully understand (from what I know of AI's), how a rebound would be possible.?.? In my mind you would have a reduction of the aromatase enzyme, so Im lost when people say taper AI's. Give us the Dr.D final word on this.Originally Posted by DR.D
09-16-2005, 11:34 PM
ATD will not cause a rebound (ironic that it's named Rebound ) because it's a steroidal AI like Teslac and Aromasin. The aromatase inhibition that they cause can be noncompetetive and irreversible, that's why they don't rebound. When people say to taper AIs they probably mean Anastrazol and Letrozole, they are enzyme inhibitors and suppress enzymes that are needed to make estrogen. The body tries to rebalance that by inducing the production of more enzymes proportional to the degree of inhibition and time that they were used. If you use an enzyme inhibitor like letro, just keep the dose low, use it for the shortest amount of time possible and taper at the end if you choose to use higher doses. It's pretty much that simple.Originally Posted by Ghosting
09-16-2005, 11:40 PM
Ooooh...cool, I could just PCT at 3 caps a day for a while, then drop to 2 maybe and call it quits? no need to taper?
Always full of good info
09-17-2005, 12:14 AM
I get people telling all the time that AI's cause rebound and SERMS dont. of course they never answer me when Nolva is gone then what happens to all the waiting estrogen if you dont taper? They never answer why SERMs need to be tapered. This happens to me a lot. Ugh!Originally Posted by DR.D
09-17-2005, 12:27 AM
Yeah, you could do a little 3,2 taper. It wouldn't hurt, but it's not required either. I actually ramp up 1,2,3 with ATD as my SERM tapers out.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
09-17-2005, 01:01 AM
09-17-2005, 09:38 AM
09-17-2005, 12:20 PM
Hey doc, would using say 2-3 caps of ATD on cycle be enough to 1.) Prevent gyno to the extent of say using Letro @ .25mg EOD or .1-.2mg ED as a replacement since Letro is harder on the cholesterol profile than ATD (this would be of course with a aromatizing compound like test) and 2.) Work as a OTC HCG of sorts. What are your thoughts good Doc. Hope you are doing well brother.Originally Posted by DR.D
09-17-2005, 12:46 PM
Now you can do a cut & paste of Dr.D to defend my honor without it looking like we are gay like we are in real life.Originally Posted by Pioneer
09-17-2005, 01:19 PM
09-17-2005, 01:24 PM
Likey story. You just dont want anyone to know we are gay. Its cool, I wont let anyone know.Originally Posted by Pioneer
09-17-2005, 05:57 PM
I'm doing fine bro, it's always great to hear for you. I pray you're doing well too. I have not experimented with ATD in this way much, but plan to. 1 or 2 caps should be plenty. It may prove to be a great letro replacement with fewer sides and better anti-gyno effects. 3 caps may be overkill, I'm just now sure at this point.Originally Posted by Grassroots082
09-17-2005, 06:05 PM
09-29-2005, 04:12 PM
Question for Dr. D
Airmidex and Letro work the same way, correct? Would using airmedex at .5-1.0 mgs per day be overkill on a cycle? Should I use it as you recommend letro (lower dose as to not totallly kill estrogen)? If so, what dose do you recommend?
Thanks! Your posts are always very helpful!
09-29-2005, 10:22 PM
Arimidex is not dosed the same as letro for some reason. It takes a full dose of it to cause optimal suppression, so 0.5mg/d if you just want to control estrogen, or 1.0mg to truly inhibit it. That's why I like letro better, they are equally effective, but letro is about 4x stronger.Originally Posted by workin2005
09-30-2005, 12:34 AM
09-30-2005, 12:42 AM
Right. Roughly equal effect. About 60-70% inhibition at that dose if I remember the studies correctly.Originally Posted by workin2005
BTW, lookin' real sliced with that 6pk action in your Av, impressive my man!
09-30-2005, 01:55 AM
10-01-2005, 05:01 PM
The discussion's about SERMs and AIs, and Dr.D's posting. The ideal circumstances for me to post a question
Some people reported getting gyno from Ergomax or SD. I know that normally this isn't very likely to happen, but as we see it can happen, even if the chances are low.
Now, as an estrogen-sensitive person previously operated for pubertal gyno, I'd like to eliminate all risks gyno-wise. What should be my on-cycle drug(s) of choice and dosages in this regard?
P.S. : As I live in Turkey I have easy access to all the drugs cited in this thread - except that arimidex is ridiculously expensive so out of the picture.
10-01-2005, 06:16 PM
You shouldn't have much of a problem with Gyno on cycle w/ Letro bro even a really low dose like .5mg or .25 every other day might even be too much but it does the trick for me. Nolva/Clomid for PCT has always been good to me as well.
10-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Letro 0.1-0.25mg/d, Rebound 25-50mg/d, or Nolva 10-20mg/d in that order of preferenceOriginally Posted by turkish
10-01-2005, 06:33 PM
10-01-2005, 06:52 PM
Checked the prices, letro is also too expensive. Back to ATD.
Wouldn't raloxifene be good in preventing gyno while on cycle, since it seems to be effective for reducing it?