I have E.D. is there anything over the couter I can take to "keep me in the game"

[chobbs4]

I have E.D. is there anything over the couter I can take to "keep me in the game"

Im 21 years old. I take anti-deppressants which give me erectile dysfunction. Does anybody out there know of anything I can take over the counter to help me with my problem. Any advice is welcome

Thanks, Chobbs4

 

[AntonG42O]

get off anti-depressants. NOW. try herbs, meditation, working out, etc to feel better. you do not need those things and at 21 they are messing up your life. dont believe anything the doctors say, their bottom line is getting you hooked on one pill after another.

with that said, you can give Maca a try. very safe herb and it will definitely generate some desire. there are other things too but your anti depressants will suppress anything and everything. those things are pure evil and you need to get off them.

 

[EasyEJL]

Perform by AI Sports is the best i've tried, and i'm not saying that because I'm a rep. You can email for samples off our website to try before you pick up a bottle. 4 caps an hour before is fantastic. Doesn't just help with erections, but makes the orgasm more intense as well.

 

[AntonG42O]

yea doesnt matter though, those medications are so strong its fighting a losing battle. i know guys who have stopped taking those meds because of these reasons

 

[OnTheRoadTo]

SSRIs are really bad news man. Discontinue use if possible.

 

[Mr.50]

get off anti-depressants. NOW. try herbs, meditation, working out, etc to feel better. you do not need those things and at 21 they are messing up your life. dont believe anything the doctors say, their bottom line is getting you hooked on one pill after another.

with that said, you can give Maca a try. very safe herb and it will definitely generate some desire. there are other things too but your anti depressants will suppress anything and everything. those things are pure evil and you need to get off them.

Bro no offense but that is a really poor reccomendation without more information.

It really partly depends on how depressed the OP was before starting the antidepressants; what antidepressant he is on; what his diagnosis is? etc.

There are a whole host of questions and ways to deal with the ED problem from antidepressants. And using herbs and other OTC supplements may be a good option to address the ED problem and still have an antidepressant effect. But reccomending to someone who is on antidepressants to go off them without knowing why they are on them or the circumstances can be disasterous.

Mr.50

 

[fanzdslpwr]

siberian red ginseng 1,000mgs 3x daily

 

[AntonG42O]

Bro no offense but that is a really poor reccomendation without more information.

It really partly depends on how depressed the OP was before starting the antidepressants; what antidepressant he is on; what his diagnosis is? etc.

There are a whole host of questions and ways to deal with the ED problem from antidepressants. And using herbs and other OTC supplements may be a good option to address the ED problem and still have an antidepressant effect. But reccomending to someone who is on antidepressants to go off them without knowing why they are on them or the circumstances can be disasterous.

Mr.50

with all due respect, ED at 21 is disasterous. what are some of the suggested ways to deal with it AND stay on antidepressants?

 

[EasyEJL]

with all due respect, ED at 21 is disasterous. what are some of the suggested ways to deal with it AND stay on antidepressants?

I dunno of anyone who ever committed suicide at 21 becuase of an ED issue, but do know of a few who did because of coming off antidepressants.

Its definitely a very detail dependant thing. If you have to use Caverject or viagra/cialis/levitra, then you have to use it. Levitra generic is available legally out of canada inexpensively, and the doctor who writes the antidepressant script can write that one too.

 

[Mr.50]

with all due respect, ED at 21 is disasterous. what are some of the suggested ways to deal with it AND stay on antidepressants?

Oh I agree with you that drug induced ED at age 21 is disasterous and horrible.

BUUUUTTTT..... there are many factors that can cause this from the use of antidepressants. First changing the class of antidepressant (SSRI to TCA or MAOI) can relieve the ED. Also there is some evidence that changing drugs within the same medication class can still provide relief (Zoloft to Prozac). Then additionally if no other options work would be understanding the mechanism of the antidepressant induced ED and taking another medication to counteract it. Such as the addition of Wellbutrin. Or if the ED is caused by SSRI induced elevation of Prolactin then the addition of Cabergoline or Bromocriptine can provide full relief in many cases (and possibly boost antidepressant effect). Also almost universally the use of Yohimbe can lead to complete remission (transitory for after Yohimbe is taken) of ED even if all else fails.

There are many other strategies including the use of Viagra etc. but the above can resolve the problem and leave the person non-depressed, feeling relatively normal, and with normal sexual desire and function.

For many people with a true endogenous depression or a bi-polar component dropping an SSRI or other antidepressant without another phareceutical strategy (or strict monitoring) can turn disasterous. From a complete inability to cope with life to possible risk of suicide.

Mr.50

Mr.50

 

[Orangatang]

I also take a low dose anti depressant for insomnia (an TCA if you are wondering). And as mentioned, immediately stopping something like an SSRI could literally make you kill yourself.

I was also going to consider adding yohombine unil i read this. This is my case, I have no idea what you are taking bro, just check for interactions.

"GENERALLY AVOID: Some antidepressants such as the tricyclics may potentiate the pressor effect of yohimbine. The mechanism is a synergistic sympathomimetic effect due to stimulation of norepinephrine release by yohimbine and inhibition of norepinephrine reuptake by certain antidepressants"

http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/amitriptyline-with-yohimex-168-0-2316-5607.html

 

[Mr.50]

Let's also not put words in his mouth. I take a low dose anti depressant for insomnia (an TCA if you are wondering). And as mentioned, immediately stopping something like an SSRI could literally make you kill yourself.

I was also going to consider adding yohombine unil i read this. This is my case, I have no idea what you are taking bro, just check for interactions.

"GENERALLY AVOID: Some antidepressants such as the tricyclics may potentiate the pressor effect of yohimbine. The mechanism is a synergistic sympathomimetic effect due to stimulation of norepinephrine release by yohimbine and inhibition of norepinephrine reuptake by certain antidepressants"

http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/amitriptyline-with-yohimex-168-0-2316-5607.html

Yes there can be a possible interaction between a TCA and Yohimbe but this of course does not apply to an SSRI and Yohimbe. Also while this is a consideration of TCA and Yohimbe co-administration it is not an absolute bar against co-administration. The interaction is highly dose dependant and co-administration should be titrated up slowly to determine if any side effects develop. I have seen many people do fine with a combination of a TCA and Yohimbe when they are cautiously combined.

Mr.50

 

[Orangatang]

Yes there can be a possible interaction between a TCA and Yohimbe but this of course does not apply to an SSRI and Yohimbe. Also while this is a consideration of TCA and Yohimbe co-administration it is not an absolute bar against co-administration. The interaction is highly dose dependant and co-administration should be titrated up slowly to determine if any side effects develop. I have seen many people do fine with a combination of a TCA and Yohimbe when they are cautiously combined.

In the experiences you have mentioned here, do you recall what tca's/dosages they were running?

And the OP never specified what anti-depressant he was on, I was just proposing one possible interaction if he was on TCA.

 

[Mr.50]

In the experiences you have mentioned here, do you recall what tca's/dosages they were running?

And the OP never specified what anti-depressant he was on, I was just proposing one possible interaction if he was on TCA.

Well it really depends on what TCA we are discussing too.....each TCA will have different affinity for nor-epi reuptake and also different side interactions which helps to understand why different drugs all in the same class (imipramine and amitriptyline, both TCA for examp) all can have different effects in any given individual.

In the past I have seen many people on 200mgs of imipramine take OTC yohimbe (after building up) successfully without significant side effects and with an improvement in sexual function.

With that said the above is not medical advice and you should always clear any medications and OTC supplements with your physician.

** Sorry got to do the disclaimer**

Mr.50

 

[chobbs4]

Well Im on 200mg of Zoloft a day as well as 50mg of Respridone. I have a fairly bad case of OCD. I have taken testosterone boosters such as Gaspari Novadex. That worked wonders for the ED but it seemed to counteract the medication. My Dr. said the reason for that is the change in Test. levels. He compared it to going through puberty again. During puberty was about the time I started having symptoms of OCD. I wanted to look into something like Viagra but I am a college student so I am still under my parents innsurance. So I don't want to take that route because my parents would be like Viagra wtf! So Im trying to be as decrete as possible with this process.

Thank you for all of your advice I really do appreciate it,
Chobbs4

 

[chobbs4]

Also the desire is very much there. It's just the proformance issue. Which makes it even worse. It's pretty much like being really drunk and trying to have sex... not gonna happen.

 

[Mr.50]

Also the desire is very much there. It's just the proformance issue. Which makes it even worse. It's pretty much like being really drunk and trying to have sex... not gonna happen.

Ok if it is just the function issue then the easiest and safest solution is viagra or cialis.

 

[Mr.50]

Well Im on 200mg of Zoloft a day as well as 50mg of Respridone. I have a fairly bad case of OCD. I have taken testosterone boosters such as Gaspari Novadex. That worked wonders for the ED but it seemed to counteract the medication. My Dr. said the reason for that is the change in Test. levels. He compared it to going through puberty again. During puberty was about the time I started having symptoms of OCD. I wanted to look into something like Viagra but I am a college student so I am still under my parents innsurance. So I don't want to take that route because my parents would be like Viagra wtf! So Im trying to be as decrete as possible with this process.

Thank you for all of your advice I really do appreciate it,
Chobbs4

Whoops.....didnt see this post Chobbs. Viagra and cialis are available both as a pill and as research chemicals over the internet for relatively cheap even on a student budget. Because of board rules I can not direct you to where you may purchase these.

Also OCD is a very different animal then depression. The make-up of the baseline brain chemistry in OCD is not the same as in depression. With that said the other classes of medications like TCA's and MAOI's are not for you. SSRI's are the usual treatment. BUT if a test booster seemed to relieve your symptoms then that would indicate (not prove but indicate) that your ED is from decreased test from an affect of the SSRI on the endocrine system. The most common effect of an SSRI on the endocrine system is the elevation of prolactin which can decrease testosterone. With this in mind an over the counter supplement like Vitex might help (not very effective in my opinon) or you can try Mucuna (for L-Dopa). Some of the companies on here have some good products OTC that elevate L-Dopa. If those are not effective I would look into bromocriptine or cabergoline. Neither of those are going to be affordable on a student budget. You may ask your doctor (if he is reasonable) to order blood tests for total testosteron, free testosterone, and prolactin. This will give you a feeling if the prolactin mechanism is causing this. Also the other option is to attempt to find an OTC product to address the OCD (I'm not knowlegable here) or ask the doctor to try you on another SSRI.

Mr.50

 

[AntonG42O]

just goes to show how terrible these SSRI's are. i mean ED, and then if you decide to come off the meds it will make you kill yourself??? i mean this is the best our "doctors" can prescribe to someone?? bunch of businessmen feeding big Pharma billions of dollars at the expense of peoples lives. i dont want to sound ignorant but there are so many things to try...cognitive behavior therapy, meditation, accupuncture, herbs, hiking trips, hypnosis, etc. i myself at one point had extreme anxiety, enough to drive me under my desk at work but i would never put those killer drugs in my system. over time i was able to figure out what makes me feel good and bad and how to calm myself down a little bit. stop blindly listening to the "doctors", they dont give a $hit whether you live or die as long as your insurance clears.

 

[Mr.50]

just goes to show how terrible these SSRI's are. i mean ED, and then if you decide to come off the meds it will make you kill yourself??? i mean this is the best our "doctors" can prescribe to someone?? bunch of businessmen feeding big Pharma billions of dollars at the expense of peoples lives. i dont want to sound ignorant but there are so many things to try...cognitive behavior therapy, meditation, accupuncture, herbs, hiking trips, hypnosis, etc. i myself at one point had extreme anxiety, enough to drive me under my desk at work but i would never put those killer drugs in my system. over time i was able to figure out what makes me feel good and bad and how to calm myself down a little bit. stop blindly listening to the "doctors", they dont give a $hit whether you live or die as long as your insurance clears.

Anton in general I agree with you but please remember too that the physiology of anxiety and depression are different (not saying anxiety isnt as bad, just different mechanism) and for some people antidepressants are the only thing to help them survive. There is actually a select segment of the population that even with extensive therapy etc can not escape profound depression; then these same people with the right medication can be amazingly successful in life. I agree though that these people are the minority not the majority (like the quick fix approach people would have you believe) and that the majority can really benefit from other options rather then medication.

Mr.50

 

[AntonG42O]

Anton in general I agree with you but please remember too that the physiology of anxiety and depression are different (not saying anxiety isnt as bad, just different mechanism) and for some people antidepressants are the only thing to help them survive. There is actually a select segment of the population that even with extensive therapy etc can not escape profound depression; then these same people with the right medication can be amazingly successful in life. I agree though that these people are the minority not the majority (like the quick fix approach people would have you believe) and that the majority can really benefit from other options rather then medication.

Mr.50

right, i mean no disrespect. my heart is bleeding for those who are struggling with this day to day. my issue is that last year alone there were 100 million scripts filled in US for antidepressants and such. obviously the "doctors" are just getting everyone and anyone hooked on these drugs. ive heard many stories of people talking to the doctor about just not feeling right at the moment and they were handed a script immediately. They are the awful drug dealers protected by the universal trust in health care.

 

[Mr.50]

right, i mean no disrespect. my heart is bleeding for those who are struggling with this day to day. my issue is that last year alone there were 100 million scripts filled in US for antidepressants and such. obviously the "doctors" are just getting everyone and anyone hooked on these drugs. ive heard many stories of people talking to the doctor about just not feeling right at the moment and they were handed a script immediately. They are the awful drug dealers protected by the universal trust in health care.

:thumbsup:

 

[EasyEJL]

Whoops.....didnt see this post Chobbs. Viagra and cialis are available both as a pill and as research chemicals over the internet for relatively cheap even on a student budget. Because of board rules I can not direct you to where you may purchase these.

Levitra generic is available under $3/tab from canada with a prescription. Figure each tab is good for 2~3 days of performance

 

[strester]

To the OP, I was on 200mg of Zoloft and watched my performance plummet. I spoke to my doctor about it and we dropped the dosage down and introduced a low amount of Welbutrin. That was over a year ago and everything has been fine since. I peform just fine w/out any OTC supplementation, but adding a test booster just makes it that much better (DTHC made me a monster in the bed).

Regardless of the route you take to resolve the ED, best of luck to you and I hope everything works out.

 

[Mr.50]

To the OP, I was on 200mg of Zoloft and watched my performance plummet. I spoke to my doctor about it and we dropped the dosage down and introduced a low amount of Welbutrin. That was over a year ago and everything has been fine since. I peform just fine w/out any OTC supplementation, but adding a test booster just makes it that much better (DTHC made me a monster in the bed).

Regardless of the route you take to resolve the ED, best of luck to you and I hope everything works out.

good post and support bro

 

[Athletix]

Bro no offense but that is a really poor reccomendation without more information.

It really partly depends on how depressed the OP was before starting the antidepressants; what antidepressant he is on; what his diagnosis is? etc.

There are a whole host of questions and ways to deal with the ED problem from antidepressants. And using herbs and other OTC supplements may be a good option to address the ED problem and still have an antidepressant effect. But reccomending to someone who is on antidepressants to go off them without knowing why they are on them or the circumstances can be disasterous.

Mr.50

Precisely. Well posted, I was going to say something very similar. No one should have to discontinue an anti-depressant for a side effect you can merely change the drug therapy. I am not sure which one you are on but if you tell me I can maybe help you find a better option to suggest to your physician. None are devoid of side effects but some offer advantages in some area such as sexual side effects over others. If you are truly depressed then getting off of the AD could be worse than the ED he may be having now. Please DO NOT stop taking this abruptly, SSRI's must be tapered. The only one that doesn't need to be tapered is fluoxetine (Prozac) due to its very very long half life.

SNRI's are a newer option now too and duloxetine (Cymbalata) is a very good option but again let me know and maybe I can help .

I will say though AD's are different in EVERYONE and what works for one might not work for another so you need to switch until you find one that is good for you. Buproprion (Wellbutrin) has dopamine activity that the others don't have but if you were ever suicidal then you don't want to be near this one, black box warning there.