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  1. MKP: I'm interested in trying this out, but cant find anything, unless its from alibaba.. Any pointers on where to get some?
    Check your PM's

    3/16 TUESDAY


    11:45-
    Rise and shine. Last nights sleep was a little rough, i'm trying to quit toking and i'm trying to shy away from OTC sleep aids too. Woke up a couple of times but I think i got about 8 hours so its not that bad. Play a little bit of CoD but was able to cut myself short after three games (go me right?).

    12:45-
    150mg Bupropion down the hatch. Cook some breakfast, shower, then catch a little CNN and some of last nights Colbert Report.

    1:22-
    1125mg* Aniracetam
    150mg Pramiracetam
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    900mg Sulbutiamine
    2000mg Tyrosine
    B-12 Lozeng

    Hmmm bulk sulbutiamine.... sad to say I've missed that taste, its been a couple weeks since I've taken it.

    1:29-
    Making my way towards the bus stop. At which point the thought cross my mind... nootropic buzz? I make a stop at the corner store, say whats up to my boy Bobby, and grab a 32oz Lo-Carb Monster and a Black and Mild.

    2:00-
    Finally get to the library, crack open the Monster, drop a deuce, and then sit down to study. At this point my mind was racing, I can definitely feel my mind "going" like I took a moderate dose of adderall.... Love it. The feeling of synergy between the Pram and Anir is pure bliss, and in hindsight the Sulbutiamine effects were quite pronounce also. Anyways, I can see why the Japanese are obsessed with Aniracetam, this stuff is no joke. I popped on some binaural beats, typed up yesterdays log, and then finally get to work.

    2:30-
    Finished the write up and finally started on homework... This combo is intoxicating.

    3:10-
    Stuff definitely reminds of adderall, minus the peripheral stimulation and dirty edge that comes with an amphetamine high... trying to find an online speech to analyze for my communications class and keep on getting sidetracked on tangents. On a side note, George S Patton is one badass mofo.... but had to settle on a General MacArthur speech instead because it had live footage. I decided to take a little break after that and go outside to enjoy my Black & Mild before I start with my physiology.

    3:25-
    Black & Mild was delicious. Another 375mg* of Aniracetam down the hatch. Now PHYS

    3:50-
    Some of you might've noticed the asterisks. Turns out I had my measurements mixed up on my Aniracetam.... apparently 1/8 Tsp is 375mg instead of 300mg, which explains things and also means I have to re-edit my posts and readjust dosages.

    4:25-
    150mg Bupropion
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    1000mg Piracetam
    750mg Aniracetam
    150mg Pramiracetam

    Whooooo. Came up with a new word. Nootphoria. Pretty self explanatory and I can safely say that earlier today i was, in fact, not imagining things.

    5:40-
    Finally took a break after hitting the books pretty hard. The mental edge I have is very noticeable. Catching up on phys- I'm feeling like I'm getting an extremely thorough grasp of material and concepts... Even though I should've covered them three weeks ago. But, I can feel the onset of a headache, the kind that you get from studying for a bit, so I stock up on the free food and coffee they have in the library for some kind of academic learning promotion deal. I'm not really sure, and I don't really care, what exactly they were doing, but it reminded me of an under attended job fair. Whatever. Free Food.

    5:42-
    F'ing BS... they're only serving decaf coffee.

    Anyways... got another hot date with the girl from the night before. I was going to drink with some of the guys still on campus but;
    1) I probably shouldn't be drinking
    2) She's bringing her best friend which means;
    a) If I had said no that would've raised a red flag and
    b) When it comes to girls, its never hurts to make a good impression on the best friend

    I'm not a master with women by any means, but I DO understand this bit of female psychology very astutely.

    6:00-
    Pretty sure this is a caffeine crash... Whatever. Its time to get going anyways. I'm a little unhappy I didn't get to cover the material I wanted to, but I do need to get back to the house and stud myself up before she picks me up.

    6:25-
    500mg Choline Citrate
    375mg Aniracetam
    B-12 Sublingual

    Time for a little subjective analysis before they pick me up.... I'm going to quantify if this is going to help in this situation or not. In 20 minutes, we'll know for sure.

    10:00-
    Get back to my house and begin typing up my notes from the day. For me, at least, Aniracetam isn't something I'm going to use in this situation. To be completely frank, older women do make me a little nervous, and the "speediness" exacerbated this. I'm going to refrain from using Aniracetam to augment lingual skills, IMO Piracetam seems to be more effective in that aspect. Anyways, turns I am going to be drinking. Cheers!

    10:25-
    Last edit for this post, I swear! Anyways, Its time for me to experiment with Piracetam and alcohol toxicity. I've seen a few promising studies. So, in the name of Science, I am going to objectively quantify this with an experimental procedure. 4000mgs of Piracetam down the hatch, 1000mg Choline Citrate to boot, a B-Complex for when I stop drinking, and a few anti-oxidants for my health. In approximately half an hour, the experiment will begin.


  2. 3/17 WEDNESDAY

    Ended up not drinking last night. Long story short, I have flakey friends and that was the last time I put up with that BS.

    10:30-
    Rise and shine. Courtesy a phone call from mother.... thanks mom....

    11:40-
    150mg Bupropion w/ breakfast.

    I had been hoping to get to the library by 12:30 but I got stuck talking with my room mate for a bit.

    12:40-
    2000mg Tyrosine
    1175mg Aniracetam
    900mg Sulbutiamine
    150mg Pramiracetam
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate

    1:30-
    Finally make my way to the library. I stopped at the corner store again and picked up 2 Black & Milds, a Rockstar Cola, and a 32 oz Lo-Carb Monster. It was a pretty nice day out, especially for mid-March Minnesota, so I decided to walk on the way. Drank the Rockstar Cola on the way there and smoked one of my Black & Milds. There were cute girls in the library today too.... Nice!

    2:00-
    Cracked the Monster

    2:10-
    Feeling pretty extravagent off my noots at the moment, I'm bumping binaural beats under some Basshunter and mentally I just feel amazing.

    2:30-
    Realized I need more fiber in my diet.

    3:00-
    Break time, I still had another 25 pages of this Phys textbook to absorb and I can feel my noots wearing off. Went outside and smoked my other Black & Mild and finished my Monster. Met a nice black guy who got all excited he thought that I was smoking a blunt. Gave him change for the bus and he was on his merry way.

    4:50-
    Tiring out a bit.... I had gotten through 10 pages so far, and figured i'd try for another 3 before I wrapped it up. Took another little five minute break.

    5:11-
    Powered through 4 pages. At this point I decided to be done and headed home.

    7:00-3:00-
    I'm Scotch-Irish, it's St Patties Day, and I'm blacked out.

    3/18 THURSDAY


    I've never been this hungover in my life. My first time waking up to dry heaves. I quit drinking.
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  3. 3/19 FRIDAY

    Woke up decently early today... forgot to write in my notebook when. Worked out for the first time in two or three weeks and it felt absolutely amazing. Pre workout I took 200mg Caffeine, 120mg Geranamine, 1 Cap of Alpha-Burn (9mg a-yohimbine), and 300 something mg of aspirin.

    1:40-
    150mg Bupropion
    1175mg Aniracetam
    1000mg Piracetam
    150mg Pramiracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    900mg Sulbutiamine

    I had expected to make my way to the library shortly after errands, which is why I dosed at this time. Didn't work out that way. I finally got back and got my **** together around 3:30.

    3:50-
    150mg Bupropion
    1175mg Aniracetam
    1000mg Piracetam
    150mg Pramiracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    900mg Sulbutiamine

    Dosed this right before I left the house and went to catch the bus.

    4:20-
    Turns out the University has some campus wide holiday and everything is closed... Including the library. I make my way back to the house and help my room mate clean up some of the trash out of the yard and shoot the breeze with him a little bit. At this point I was pretty pissed off, 1) about the library and 2) we had gotten in a fight with our neighbors last fall over some stupid **** and it seems that they're trying to stir things up again.... Someone had messed with my roommate's truck a few minutes before I left the library, I guess, and we hadn't seen who did it. But we have overheard the neighbors drunkenly talking trash at the house lately so its not too far of a stretch to assume its them... high school drama to say the least.

    5:00-
    Go back inside the house and suddenly start to feel quite nauseous. I go to the bathroom and it subsides. I turn around and it comes back, funny how you never feel the need to puke when you're right in front of a toilet. Few seconds later the water works come on and I empty a stomach full of noots into the toilet. The taste of bulk noots coming up makes me heave again and I spent about two more minutes lurching over the toilet.

    Thoughts? My guess is the Geranamine, which I haven't taken in probably over a month, coupled with appetite suppression both from that and my Wellbutrin and an empty stomach are what did me in. Regardless, I lost my drive to study after that and had some people over instead.

    Also took the chance to do a little gourmet cooking. My plan is to have the girl over and cook for her one of these nights (because nothing turns on a woman on like a man who can cook). The recipe was Strawberries and Lemon Curd, pretty legit, albeit unhealthy, dessert.

  4. 3/20 SATURDAY

    8:30-
    Ugh.... wake up time.

    9:40-
    150mg Bupropion

    Notes- We had people over the night before and they ended up staying. So we went to the grocery store, stocked up on some essentials, and came back and cooked breakfast. First time I've had bacon since IDK when, took this chance to make scrambled eggs with the grease too.... Mmmmm.

    12:10-
    Zero Carb Rockstar (240mg Caffeine per can)
    1175mg Aniracetam
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    900mg Sulbutiamine
    150mg Pramiracetam

    I woke up feeling pretty tired.... after this I was feeling pretty awake but still not 100%. Last night I had maybe three beers, nothing extravagent. BTW the new Summit Horizon Ale isn't that great.... has quite a metallic aftertaste. Anyways, made my way to the library once again.

    12:30-
    Spent the next 20 minutes writing up the previous days notes and editing my Aniracetam doses. My mood is alright, but I'm feeling slightly sedated... which can be attributed to the fact that last night I smoked close to a half eighth... I really need to quit smoking.

    12:50-
    Slammed another Zero Carb Rockstar, took a piss, and went and started on my physiology.

    1:00-
    Definitely smoked too much reefer last night... Ugh. So i'm gonna try something I've been thinking over in my head a long time. Since it seems, subjectively, that Aniracetam seems to counteract the sluggishness that accompanies Pramiracetam I'm going to see if I can dose higher with the Pram and avoid overstimulation.

    250mg Pramiracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    750mg Aniracetam

    1:07-
    The Pram is getting noticeable.... Everything feels slightly "slowed down," which is usual, but I'm don't feel sluggish yet. We'll see.

    1:09-
    Beginnings of a slight tension headache... Possible overstimulation. I'm really enjoying music though.

    1:17-
    Actually in a pretty good mind state. I'm going to have to toy with this a bit more when I'm not feeling so "stupid."

    1:30-
    Taking a break to piss and check on my mental. Rockstar #2 is finished. I'm feeling kinda of tired at this point. Slight depersonalization from the Pram. Its still really hard to tell if its over dosed or from last night. I took a 10 minute break.

    2:00-
    Still feeling tired... I finally decided to quit ****ing around and cracked Rockstar #3, pop 150mg Bupropion, drink a protein/oatmeal shake, and get back to work.

    2:50-
    Still feeling tired. Also feeling mentally foggy. I'm thinking the Pram dose was too much.

    3:35-
    Yup. Still mentally foggy, languid is another good description. I'm feeling jittery from all the caffeine I've had (720mg total). I decided to head home.

    The rest of the day I didn't get much done. I was jittery, which rarely happens, but mentally very laid back. I wasn't exactly in the most positive mood, but that was helpful for the things I was dealing with. I have three friends who've owed me $70 since November and never seem to have the money to pay me, but always seem to be able to have abundant booze and other college necessities. For once being irritable and pissed off worked in my favor. Its always a nice feeling to know you got someone by the balls and they ARE going to return to you what you're owed.

    Around 8:30 I went out to eat with one of my friends who just got back from break. Still kinda jittery, but she always seems to cheer me up so I was having a good time. Got home around 11:30. Funky mood at this point, having depression my whole life has taught me how to monitor and disseminate my mental condition very well. At this point I was overly emotional, which was feeding emotional vicious cycles and further depressing my mood. I finally realized this and quit the mental masturbation, I put myself in the kitchen and took my mind off things by making a smoked paprika, fresh lemon, mustard marinade for chicken. Got to bed around 2:30, the girl started texting me and further got my mind off things.

    Thoughts- In part I think its reasonable to attribute the depressed mood to all the caffeine I took in today. Another major player was the ridiculous amount of green I ingested the night before. As of now I'm out, and I want it to stay that way. Quitting that ****'s hard, especially when its the only thing that settles my back pain and helps me sleep. But its not worth the trade off for a depressed mood, lower motivation, and having the eccentric personality of a burn out. And probably the most focal point of all, hindering my school work and the full scale benefits of my noot regiment.

  5. 3/21 SUNDAY

    10:30-
    Woke up. Played a few games of Call of Duty and then cooked the chicken i marinaded the night before. I also made potato fries for the first time. Everything turned out nicely. This dinner is gonna leave her pants on the ground.

    1:30- 30mg Amphetamine Salts (Instant Release) with a handful of tums and an energy drink I found in my backpack. Made my way to the corner store, got another 32oz Lo-Carb Monster and a pack of cigarettes to bring to my buddy.

    2:30-
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline
    900mg Sulbutiamine
    1175mg Aniracetam
    150mg Pramiracetam

    I took this with my Monster once I met up with my buddy at the library. The adderall is starting to kick in, but isn't pronounced. I've had this type of IR before and they aren't particularly impressive.

    3:20-
    Adderall is becoming more pronounced. I'm in a level mood, not terribly euphoric (good and bad thing I suppose), and am in my now typical nootropic zone.

    3:30-
    I realize, as I do everytime I take any amphetamines, that I should've split the dosage. I'm pretty distracted... typed up the notes for the past day on here.

    4:00-
    Finished typing notes.... I really feel the need to start on homework. But I don't. Instead I spent the next two hours doing some self-analysis involving myself and the people I am around. Amphetamines are great in this respect for me, I always find them a effective tool for introspectivity. While it wasn't what I should have been doing, I've come to realize that things of this nature should be done when the chance comes. For myself it proves to be very rewarding when I apply these self-analyses into real life.

    6:05-
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline
    600mg Sulbutiamine
    1175mg Aniracetam
    *250mg Pramiracetam

    I figured I'd toy with the Pram again after yesterday. It worked out fairly well, I didn't get any signs of overstimulation so I assume it had tangible benefits. For the next hour and a half I spent time figuring out where I was in school, organizing material, creating checklists for exams and such. Essentially, I'm doing well needed and overdue logistics. Its always a nice feeling to sit down, plan everything out, and realize that you aren't actually behind at all. While I should've been proactive about certain assignments, I still got something done.

    7:45-
    Typed this up. The amphetamines are wearing off, typical unpleasant dysphoria, and I'm close to calling it a night anyways as I have things I need to do at home.
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  6. purebred
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    Quote Originally Posted by PublicEnemy View Post

    3/18 THURSDAY


    I've never been this hungover in my life. My first time waking up to dry heaves. I quit drinking.
    if i had a dollar for every time i heard this + 5 more for every time someone broke it--I'd be taking this country out of recession myself.

    intriguingly and amusingly entertaining log you have going on, bruh! hope you don't mind me stopping in lol

  7. intriguingly and amusingly entertaining log you have going on, bruh! hope you don't mind me stopping in lol
    Oh not at all. You're more than welcome.

    3/22 MONDAY & 3/23 TUESDAY


    Hmmm. Didn't take any notes for several reasons.

    1) I'm lazy.
    2) My noot dosages aren't really changing. At this point they're dialed. In the future I plan on playing around some more with Pram/Anir doses, but I will log when i do.
    3) Its been about a month since I've started this and I've probably gone into enough detail already about effects.
    4) Just to avoid redundancy, from now on I'm only going to log my *study* days. Days where I have 4+ hours to study and have a lot of material to cover. Which I do. I have 2 midterms next week and an Organic Chemistry one the week after; which means party boy won't be coming out for awhile. My plan from here on out is to log my study days, related midterms, and then my personal observations for those days only.

    And on a side note... Haven't toked up since sunday night. Whoooo go me, my sleep quality is suffering a little bit, but I'm finally starting to realize how burnt out I am. I'm kind of excited to start thinking like a normal person again.

  8. 3/25 THURSDAY

    Whoo thirsty thursdays! Anyways. Thursdays are my free days, so I tend to do the majority of my studying then.

    8:45-
    2000mg Tyrosine upon waking.

    9:24-
    10mg IR Amph. Salts

    Popped that and then started making breakfast. I managed to snag 200mg of these IR Amph. Salts for 20 bucks from one of my bros. Lucky me! Talk about a great deal, prices like that on a college campus are one in a million.

    10:00- 10mg IR Amph. Salts chewed, took this puppy down after breakfast.

    10:38- 10mg IR Amph. Salts
    800mg Bulk 1-Carboxy (i figured this would help me study.... it didn't)
    900mg Aniracetam (turns out I had the dose right all along... which means i have to go back and change it again)
    150mg Pramiracetam
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate

    I took this right as i got to the library. At this point I started working on my Speech class homework, I had an online quiz to take about some readings and I had to throw together a presentation on Motivational Appeals. I started first on the quiz and the readings.

    12:30-
    15mg IR Amph. Salts- this racemic mixture isn't particularily strong, there isn't much euphoria which is a good and a bad thing I suppose. At least the come downs aren't as horrendous. I took this as I was leaving the library, I had to walk across campus to collect some money from a friend that I've been trying to get back for some time.

    1:30-
    Cocaine Energy Drink (280mg Caffeine)
    Cracked this open back at the library and wasted some time on AM.

    2:00-
    Finally began compiling information for my presentation. I spent most of this time messing around with video editing software. I'm using a clip from Fight Club as an example for analysis and it took me a good 50 minutes to finally get the minute and a half clip i wanted.

    2:50-
    1000mg Piracetam
    1000mg Choline Citrate
    900mg Aniracetam
    150mg Pramiracetam
    10mg IR Amph. Salts

    3:30- I was starting to feel a little fogged so i went outside and enjoyed a Black & Mild. I called a leaser about my living situation next year and set up a tour, then went back inside.

    3:43-
    Go myself a Large Colombian Coffee
    500mg Piracetam
    500mg Choline Citrate
    600mg Aniracetam

    4:35- 10mg IR Amph. Salts chewed with food.

    Worked at the library until 7:00 and then the girl picked me up and went back to my house.

    Alright. Couldn't finish this update right away because some friends dropped in on me. Anyways, I was a little disappointed I didn't even finish my presentation, but then again I probably deserved it considering I've known about it since the first week of class. Like I said before, these particular amphetamines aren't particularly euphoric. Did a little research and turns out they're a amphetamine/d-amphetamine made by Ranbaxy Pharmaceuticals out of India. My inner chemgeek really is curious about what the racemic mixture ratio is, as I know the isomers have slightly different perceived effects.

    Anyways, feeling pretty good about this speech just because I get to use Fight Club as my example. And Brad Pitt gives a pretty bad ass speech. Hopefully I can fully wrap up the presentation Friday (at the time I'm writing this) and being studying for my Physiology midterm on Monday. More updates to come!
  9. purebred
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    what's the difference between a cuban coffee and a colombian coffee?

  10. what's the difference between a cuban coffee and a colombian coffee?
    Fair trade...? I honestly have no idea, probably just trying to sound trendy because its a campus coffee shop.

    Anyways I have another mini update.

    Rediscovered the joy of Pramiracetam tonight. I sat down at six and took my normal 150mg dose along with the rest of my noot stack. Around seven I was feeling dangerous, so I took another 150mg dose but took an extra 500mg or so of choline. Definitely worked. Around 8 I was feeling even more dangerous so I did the same thing again. Got all the good effects of Pram with none of the bad. I was in a good, but level mood, I was noticing very enhanced motivation and drive, good recall and just a good sense of info absorption. I ended up studying for my exam on friday from 6-10pm straight through.

    Which gets me thinking again that I just might not have enough choline available because Pram is so potent. I'll play around with it some more tomorrow and see.

    Another great thing is that since I've all but eliminated my smoking, I'm starting to think like a normal person. I'm really starting to realize how much time I wasted during the day just doing stupid, small things and being slow about stuff because I was in straight burn out mode. I'm still getting nightly cravings for it, but my self control seems to be working so far.

  11. how the f*ck can you take so much pramiracetam and choline on top of it? and *feel good*? pram just numbs me completely. I become a vegetable. Never understood how people can function on pram. a gram of pram and I'm ready to go to bed, a 100mg of pram and I'm ready to go to bed.
    a gram of pram for several days, and all I can do is stare at the wall lol.
    great thread though, very detailed. :-)

  12. how the f*ck can you take so much pramiracetam and choline on top of it? and *feel good*? pram just numbs me completely. I become a vegetable. Never understood how people can function on pram. a gram of pram and I'm ready to go to bed, a 100mg of pram and I'm ready to go to bed.
    a gram of pram for several days, and all I can do is stare at the wall lol.
    great thread though, very detailed. :-)
    Ha thanks, I appreciate the feedback. And to be completely honest, last night surprised me too. I had to taper down before because it made me too spacey and then all of a sudden I take ~450mg in the space of 3 hours and I'm a cerebral stud. I just popped my first 150mg just now so we'll see how that goes, I do know this stuff has a decently long half life. Consider its potency with that, i'm too sure how I'll react.

    Someone will probably get a kick out of this. Woke up at midnight after being asleep for about an hour, everytime i inhaled my throat dried out and i was just coughing my lungs out. I love how after quitting smoking I cough up sh*t that would make the Marb man shudder. Anyways, go over to my desk, unscrew the cap to my cough syrup, and take a swig. BTW it was pitch black. Anyways back to bed. Woke up feeling spacey and dissociated as f*ck. Turns out the cough syrup was mom sent me was extra concentrated. WTF. So i've spent the first few hours of this morning in a mild robotrip mode (which I've done in my younger and much stupider days.... I hate DXM with a passion).

  13. Yet another mini update...

    I've been toying around quite a bit with higher Pram doses. Either I've developed a tolerance to it or else my dosing protocol as been working.

    Lately its been;

    500mg Pramiracetam
    1200mg Aniracetam
    2000mg Choline

    This has been working quite well for me. I haven't been getting spacey at all and the high choline has been workin magic.

    Lately I've been doing quite a bit of research into other nootropics... there are a couple more exotic compounds that I have my eye on. Once I get a job, or more financial aid comes through, I'm planning on getting a few of these to try it out. Nefiracetam has been looking rather tasty, as has Phenypiracetam. I definitely have had my eye on Noopept, I'll most likely purchase this and then some centrophenoxine- i found a pretty nice bulk source.

  14. Nice log! Have you tried PEA with Deprenyl?

  15. Nice log! Have you tried PEA with Deprenyl?
    Talk about coincidence... I'm in the middle of a PM conversation with someone else about PEA + Deprenyl.

    I did once and I'll never do it again. That stuff messed me up. At first it was all fun and games. But after two weeks I went through a horrendous amphetamine psychosis and haven't touched the sh*t since. Its far too easy to get high off that combination without being productive for me.

    EDIT: And thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying it so far!

  16. I'm feeling a need for a random update at the moment.

    I've ceased taking Pram ED. Today was the first time I've dosed in probably a good 5 days. And right now, its amazing. I dosed my noots about twenty minutes ago at;

    ~2000mg Choline Citrate
    ~800mg Bulk 1-Carboxy
    ~1000mg Piracetam
    ~1200mg Pramiracetam (This is approximate.... I wasn't particularly anal about keeping track)
    ~1200mg Aniracetam
    ~1000mg L-Tyrosine

    Additionally- 2 caps Alpha Burn (total of 18mg Alpha-Yohimbine), a newly cracked NOS, and a sublingual B-12.

    Right now, mentally.... whooooo. I'm very single minded right now. I'm feeling very articulate, along with the typical dissociated feeling that high doses of Pram will give me. Kind of oxymoronic for a social situation, but since I'm studying this is perfect. I've had a bum day mentally and its nice to get some Pramiracetam induced distance from my emotions, its definitely muting the minor depressive episode I had earlier today. Right now the most noticeable effects, besides the overall cognition kickassery that Prams bring, are my perceptions of time and audio material. IMO time seems slightly slowed, I'd be an idiot to compare this to a Matrix-esque perception of time, but to me it seems my brain is firing very fast so that I can interpret events much quicker.

    Now for audio wise.... I'm listening to Eckharte Tolle's Practicing the Power of Now at the moment and its a very rich experience. I'm discerning the patterns of his breathing (usually I don't pay attention to the breath's he takes between phrases). After this I'll probably move onto some trance or techno.... or Bodom, who knows, really I'm just jonesing for any music with complexity.

  17. Mind providing a source where you got the Pramiracetam? This stuff sounds really interesting.
    Shredding (3/19/13): OxyElite Pro (Original Formula) + Compound 20

  18. Mind providing a source where you got the Pramiracetam? This stuff sounds really interesting.
    Check your PM's. I can also point you to some other noot's with good prices if you're interested. Nice norepinephrine DP btw.

  19. How is the higher potency of Pramiracetam? Is it really noticeble compared to Piracetam? Anything weird in terms of reactions or anything related? Would you agree that it's 8-30 times as potent, got that number of Wikipedia?
    Shredding (3/19/13): OxyElite Pro (Original Formula) + Compound 20

  20. How is the higher potency of Pramiracetam? Is it really noticeble compared to Piracetam? Anything weird in terms of reactions or anything related? Would you agree that it's 8-30 times as potent, got that number of Wikipedia?
    Good questions. I'll do my best to answer, but this is also subjective.

    Pramiracetam is more powerful than Piracetam. Period. 8-30 times more potent is a pretty ambiguous judgement, but it is without question that Piracetam does not hold a candle to Pramiracetam. In complete honesty, Pram probably ruined Piracetam for me, IMO its that powerful.

    And you will *feel* it the first time you take it. It puts you in on a completely different level of functioning. So yes, i would say its very noticeable compared to Piracetam. Which is also why this racetam seems to be hit or miss for most people. Its just so damn potent.

    Reactions wise, this is what I've noticed:
    -Too much will make you feel spacey. Whenever I took too much I felt very dissociated, everything feels out of touch, slightly dysphoric, poor concentration, pretty much every negative aspect of over-dosing nootropics can bring.
    -In tandem with my last point, for myself I've noticed that taking larger than normal doses of ACh precursors seems to negate the effects of an over-dose and increase functioning. From my own reasoning, i would say this is caused by potency, Pram is more potent per mg so you will need more choline (or said ACh-ergic agent of choice) than average.

    -Pros- At the right dose, there is a remarkable increase in motivation and goal achievement directed behavior. You will experience a drastic performance increase in linguistic related activities. I become extremely articulate whenever I take Pram. Improved memory recall, memorization, critical analysis, and conceptual processing is also something I experience.

    Neutral- Pram blunts my emotions. I don't like using it for social situations. My Myers-Briggs Personality Type is ENTJ, so in conversations I tend to shuttle emotions and empathy to the side anyways. Pram makes it even worse. But at the same time, if I'm in a funk, stressed, or in my typical ADD mindstate, Pram helps me focus sooooo much better. I notice my emotions, but they're on the peripheral, they no longer have an influence on my mental performance.

    Cons- Over-dosing Pram gives pretty sh!tty sides, once again due to its potency. As i'm sure you know, nootropics function on a Bell-Curve in terms of optimal dose, and potency will cause exaggerated effects. No doubt, to me at least, this is why Pram is very much hit or miss for nootropic fiends.. Pram is also pretty expensive, around $1.25/gram.

    Side Notes- From experience, Pram works best when combined with Aniracetam. The speediness of Aniracetam tends to counteract the sluggishness Pram can sometimes bring on. My advice is when you're studying, make sure you're in the zone before you take your Pram. I get distracted so easily that if I don't do this, I just d!ck around instead.

    Pram also has potent synergy with THC, if that's your thing. Its quite the experience and I would recommend trying it even if you are only an occasional smoker.

    Hope this helps!

  21. Forgot to add this. Forgot to take my noots today. Definitely notice a difference, I've been in a pissy mood the whole day and just don't have the pep I usually have.

  22. Ooh, another question. Have you had any experience with pramiracetam in terms of sleep? I remember from my experience of dosing piracetam with choline that I was getting a number of really interesting and nice instances of lucid dreams for days in a row. Being that pramiracetam is of higher potency, have you had any related, or improved, experiences in terms of sleeping and dreaming?
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  23. Ooh, another question. Have you had any experience with pramiracetam in terms of sleep? I remember from my experience of dosing piracetam with choline that I was getting a number of really interesting and nice instances of lucid dreams for days in a row. Being that pramiracetam is of higher potency, have you had any related, or improved, experiences in terms of sleeping and dreaming?
    Nice question.... I hadn't even considered that. Truth be told I'm not entirely too sure, but I'm leaning towards a yes. However I also use 1-Carboxy and Melatonin if I'm having trouble sleeping and those definitely have influenced my dreams.

    One instance particular stands out in my mind, I think I detailed it earlier in my log. I had gotten ahold of some modafinil one week and had particular trouble sleeping one night. Seeing as modafinil acts on H1 receptors in the brain to promote wakefulness, naturally I took 100mg-150mg of diphenhydramine because of its anti-histaminergic effect. Now diphenhydramine definitely has some effects on lucidity before and during sleep, but in this particular instance I was dumbfounded.

    I had been cramming for an O-Chem test the whole week and this was the night before the midterm. To be realistic, I had probably put in about ~25 hours of chemically enhanced cramming that whole weekend. So while I'm waiting to fall asleep I started running through reactions in my head; my train of thought usually runs rampant anyways so it didn't stick out to me initially. However, as the diphenhydramine became more pronounced, I was having literal visualizations of these reactions in my head. Electron transfer, solutes, drawn figures of chemical structures and the like, all of these were intensely visualized. It literally was like I was looking at a piece of paper and these reactions were being drawn on it.

    I have noticed that if you take Pram before bed, while it has a very interesting type of sedative/dissociative effect, you still will have a bit of trouble falling asleep. At least I did.

  24. Great log PE. I've been using pram stacked with Anir/Pir/GPC choline for a year now. I've had times where I would go "off" due to unexpected travel. There is a marked difference when I'm on or off. I love it.....but alone I didn't find it to be the "king".

    Anyway.....keep up the log.

  25. Great log PE. I've been using pram stacked with Anir/Pir/GPC choline for a year now. I've had times where I would go "off" due to unexpected travel. There is a marked difference when I'm on or off. I love it.....but alone I didn't find it to be the "king".

    Anyway.....keep up the log.
    Thanks for the reps and reading my log. I have to ask you; how has the GPC-Choline worked for you and in comparison to other choline sources? I'm hoping so save up some money over the summer and make another killer noot regimen for the fall, right now all I have is Pir with a tiny amount of Anir that I'm saving. At the moment I'm torn over what to use as a choline source; but I plan on getting something more expensive.
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