03-22-2009 03:13 PM
I happen to be in the medical field so I have different views on things than some others. Be aware that the doc may not want to prescribe medications. He may have alternative, but just as effective methods he wishes to try.
Originally Posted by indianballer
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03-22-2009 08:27 PM
The thing with Anti depressions are really a hit or miss.
Im in the medical field also, and have seen many patients wrongly diagnosed. Once on an anti depressant, it opens up the flood gates for other meds to be tried. (Anti depressant wise.)
No illnesses can truly be diagnosed, there are just drugs that supress certain symptoms that Docs look for.
If drugs cured things, there wouldnt be all these companies competing. Above that, the cure for cancer would already be released. Think the moment cancer cure is out, how much money drug companies and others will lose.
Food for thought, go home and chew that!
05-09-2009 05:27 PM
Indianballer, I know exactly what you are talking about. I had been on anti-depressants SNRI's and SSRI's) for about 3-4 years continuously and recently moved onto something else that helps me much more. But hormones (even when a proper pct is followed) can mess with neurotransmitters in those who are prone to depression, so I'd stay off for a while and do it naturally. I did the same thing until I realized my mental health was more important than gains in the gym... cause if you don't have it, the gains won't make you feel any better about life.
For anyone who is considering an anti-depressant, I would make SURE to tell your dr. that you only want to be on it for a SHORT period of time... continued use of anti-depressants cleave off the dendrites in your brain and basically give you a chemical lobotomy... hence many users feeling "cloudy" and "emotionless". It can sometimes lead to anhedonia (no emotions at all) and linger for a few years, of which I am experiencing after running that gauntlet of SSRI's and SNRI's (which doctors push like candy).
Remember that EVERYTHING in your body has a natural negative-feedback loop... every action causes a reaction, etc... the truth is, is, these drugs act like a low dose of ecstacy... flooding your brain with seritonin and actually doing damage over time. It is EXACTLY why addicts that abuse drugs that flood your brain with seritonin often go back on and relapse... because they cant feel anything at all after abuse. SSRI's and SNRI's do much of the same thing, just to a much smaller extent... but when you are on them for an extended period of time (like a year or more) they can also do damage.
I am not one of those crazed alternative health people who regard pharmaceutical anti-depressants as evil... they have their place IF used properly... not a bandaid that covers up the CAUSE of depression. I would REALLY read up about the negative aspects of SSRI's (severe anhedonia, no sex drive, lowered testosterone levels, and a HOST of other things...) I could go into much more, but I would be rambling. As for myself, I have experienced all of these symptoms and more just because my family practitioner didn't know what the f$%k he was doing... it was just, "here... this will help".
All I can say is I will NEVER go on these class of drugs again. I am currently taking Nardil (an old MAOI) and am enjoying life again... this med has a PROVEN track record of success, and the tyramine diet I am finding out is more scare tactics than anything (due to medical proffessionals covering their asses in case someone sues if they get a strong reaction). There are certain things that I have to avoid, but for the most part you have to eat ALOT of really aged products to ever cause the dreaded MAOI reaction. I'd look into Nardil or Parnate... MUCH more reliable than SSRI's and SNRI's (which are proven to only be better than a placebo 50% of the time).
Also, I have been wondering about Stablon as well. It supposedly reversed SSRI-induced anhedonia... but my Nardil is doing great, and I would NEVER want to combine the two...
Indianballer, have you looked into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)? Anti-depressants can relieve your symptoms of depression as a band-aid, and should be used if you are having really bad thoughts (suicide, etc) but will not cure it... just a suggestion. CBT can actually treat the CAUSE of depression, and if yours is mild, I would DEFINATELY look into it before starting an SSRI or SNRI... you don't want to go the backwards route like I did
05-09-2009 10:58 PM
Swoody, look into Stablon. It's a drug that might help you gain yourself, emotions and proper moods back. www.tianeptine.com
It is neuroprotective and neuroregenerative.
05-09-2009 11:02 PM
Imo welbutrin isn't too great, not for me anyway. I went up to 450mg on it and didn't get too much out of it. Stablon was much better.
Originally Posted by indianballer
05-10-2009 01:20 AM
yeah I'll look into it a little further gutterpump... thanx for the linkage... I've done a bit of research on it and it looks like it would be great to run, but I'm gonna see how the MAOI goes... if it keeps working for me and doesn't poop out, I might stay on it for a little while... I am actually starting to get my emotions, sense of humor, sex drive, etc. back on Nardil... I'm at 45 mg and have been on it for about a month and a half and it just barely kicked in about a week ago and I'm feelin like my old self for the first time in a long time... maybe when I come off of it I'll look into Stablon as a kind-of icing on the cake to get me back to normal (as in before the SSRI rollercoaster ride) since it does have neuro-protective and neuro-generative properties and also helps reverse the damage done by SSRI's and SNRI's...the goal is to be on the least amount of meds as possible while still protecting myself from another bout of depression. I just don't wanna combine another med that might interact with an MAOI... I'll look into it further though.
Btw, that's a great site that you linked... I have gotten a lot of info from there in the past...
05-10-2009 10:34 AM
You should really try going the natural root with this stuff. It really works, I know from some previous experience.
05-10-2009 11:12 AM
yeah l-theanine worked well for me. also 5-htp is good.
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