Confusion over AI vs SERM
- 06-12-2013, 03:05 PM
Confusion over AI vs SERM
I am planning a test cycle with an oral SD kickstart. Because I have MPB I will be taking finasteride on cycle to minimize hair loss. I read the following at another site in regard to test and finasteride (proscar):
All of these are different testosterone preparations, they all have the same properties as far as hairloss is concerned: they convert to DHT via 5-alpha-reductase enzyme. That's the main reason why testosterone is so androgenic. However, if one takes testosterone along with a 5AR blocker such as Proscar it's not nearly that harmful for your hair. So, if you are concerned about hairloss and are taking testosterone, always use it along with Proscar. Take into account that DHT is an anti-estrogen and blocking it while your body has supraphysiological levels of testosterone might lead to gynecomastia, so it's advisable to combine Proscar with Arimidex (an aromatase inhibitor).
I wasn't planning on getting an AI. I thought Nolvadex for PCT and possibly on-cycle would be sufficient. Do I need an AI as well? I understand there are two different types of gyno if my memory serves me correctly, and maybe there might be cause to need an AI over a SERM in this regard? Also, do I take either Nolva or the AI right off the bat on cycle, or do I wait to see if I develop gyno and then take it? I was planning on a standard Nolva + Clomid PCT. If indeed I need an AI on cycle do I also need one for PCT? Thank you.
- 06-12-2013, 05:37 PM
That's about it. If you want to control DHT, you need to watch the E2. I would take Aromasin during cycle to combat the E2. Start right away. You may have ED problems when you block the DHT. Otherwise, you pretty much nailed it.
- 06-12-2013, 05:42 PM
So for PCT should I continue the Aromasin and ditch the Nolva or should I run all three - clomid, nolva and aromasin? Also do I need to run Nolva while on-cycle in addition to the Aromasin? I used to think "no" but I just saw a beginners bulk stack on a source site showing nolva on cycle. So I'm confused. Thanks.
06-12-2013, 05:45 PM
06-12-2013, 05:51 PM
Thank you very much. Big help.
06-13-2013, 12:44 AM
06-13-2013, 05:43 AM
06-13-2013, 10:39 AM
Actually, as strange as it sounds, I think it's true. A doctor told me this as well. The same applies to topical foam, and the manufacturers of the foam are very clear about this: Once you start you cannot ever stop. This does not apply to AAS related hair-loss though. Only MPB. Minox and fina will slow (and occasionally stop) the progression of MPB related shedding. If you stop, what happens is that your scalp will return to the state it would have been in if you had never used the treatments. You cannot keep your gains (ha, gains!) in the way of your hair if they are MPB related gains made via minox and/or fina without the continued used of minox and/or fina. I've heard it's a terrible thing to experience. If you have been on these products for years and you stop you basically go bald in a very short period of time.
If you are just using these products during isolated phases during AAS cycles to prevent shedding and you don't have substantial MPB, you have nothing to worry about.
While I'm new to the AAS realm, I'm pretty well educated in the way of MPB. I've been taking fina and using foam for many years now.
06-15-2013, 11:46 AM
06-15-2013, 01:57 PM
06-15-2013, 02:19 PM
06-15-2013, 02:53 PM
It's funny you mention "time". Cause I think that's possibly what actually fixed me. When my Nolva PCT kinda failed (30 days and still shutdown) I ordered clomid, but never received it, so instead I ended up taking PES Erase, which seemed to fix me practically overnight. But taking into consideration all the facts, it may not have been the Erase that actually did it, rather just the fact that I was 2 months post cycle by the time I starting taking the Erase. Enough time had passed that I was bound to bounce back at that point anyway.
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