Summer cycle thoughts

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post

    Of all the endocrine system to mess with you think the thyroid is the weak link? Your thyroid is possibly the most robust endocrine organ you possess. People have been misdiagnosed with hypothyroidism for years and regained complete thyroid function.
    Yeah the thyroid is pretty resilient. Clen is a dangerous drug. Albut is a safer option, but I still use Clen.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751


  2. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post

    This is the old school hormones section, the op posted here. I offered old school hormone answers. Had it been the general anabolics section I would have offered other options.

    The finaflex line up is good stuff I'm actually a fan of there products. But the are not old school hormones, they are dhea compounds. I would recommend them to anyone who is not already using injectables.
    I still disagree that a 12 week stack of finaflex products would be as good as 100mg of Anavar. That's why people buy Anavar. I'm sure u can get great results from epi v and the others but 100mg of Anavar removes excess fat second only to tren. IMHO
    Fair enough but I'm still gonna have to disagree. EpiV is a ridiculous finisher and will cut you up and dry you out leaving you vascular as hell just as well as var. On a side note I apologize for posting about PHs when this is obviously the old school anabolics forum. I will leave this for you guys to advise the OP from here on out.

    Also, the thyroid while being something that recovers well is just one thing I'd rather not mess with personally. At least I know that if my test levels drop and lack the ability to recover I can go on trt. The thyroid on the other hand, well...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Fair enough but I'm still gonna have to disagree. EpiV is a ridiculous finisher and will cut you up and dry you out leaving you vascular as hell just as well as var. On a side note I apologize for posting about PHs when this is obviously the old school anabolics forum. I will leave this for you guys to advise the OP from here on out.

    Also, the thyroid while being something that recovers well is just one thing I'd rather not mess with personally. At least I know that if my test levels drop and lack the ability to recover I can go on trt. The thyroid on the other hand, well...
    You can go on t3 if you absolutely tank your thyroid infact thats what it was made for originally.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards

  4. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    since you posted in the old school hormone section i will offer you an old school option. finaflex and androfactory stuff are good products but youve kind of already passed that. test is best but tren is king. i cut with tren. it is awesome. if you have few cycles under your belt i would try a low dose test low dose tren cycle. like 50mg of test p and 50mg of tren a ed. add in some T3 and clen or albuteral. id stay away from winny or mast if you have acne problems. and keeping the test low might keep the acne under control too(maybe, maybe not)

    test p 50mg ed for 8 weeks
    tren a 50mg ed for 6 weeks
    (t3 and clen there are various ways you can run it, youll have to figure out what works for you)
    T3 50mcg- what every you can handle (i normally tollerate 100mcg pretty well)
    clen 50-100mcg

    this will cut you up.

    The issue i see is that you are 193lbs at 15% bf. this means that you have ~30lbs of fat. i think you need to work on your diet a little. secondly tren is a big step, it is a serious roid. research it well may sure you have all the ancillary's before hand. and start low. if you run it responsibly tren will do some pretty amazing things. "man made tren, Tren makes Gods"

    and as for the guy say that the Finaflex stack is like 100mg of anavar. thats not true. at no doses would any of those products be anything like anavar at 100mg.
    Thank you my friend! I was waiting for more responses so I appreciate you chiming in. As for my BF% i could very well be mistaking. I'm using the electronic BF devices at my gym to determine. I'm not sure how accurate they are. Put it this way you can see my abs. They just aren't as ripped and extremely cut up as I'd like. I def want to harden up more & get diced. I just have a layer over the abs preventing them from popping like I'd like. I've never had the genetic makeup of someone who's ripped. The last 2 yrs I've really started to look good and become more satisfied through hard training & good diet. Yes my diet is clean. I'm pretty wise about things in that regard. As for tren I've never done it but heard it can shred you up. What is to be expected as far as emotional, libido & acne sides? Keep in mind I don't want to bloat up. I'm looking to get hard as hell & shredded as a Mo Fo! Don't want to get too xtreme. How would low test Prop & high dose var work for me?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Yeah the thyroid is pretty resilient. Clen is a dangerous drug. Albut is a safer option, but I still use Clen.
    I really need to figure out my dosages on clen. My source of clen is almost too pure. At 60mcg I am a bit jittery at 100mcg I feel like meth would have a less jarring effect. I just need to find my sweet spot.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Fair enough but I'm still gonna have to disagree. EpiV is a ridiculous finisher and will cut you up and dry you out leaving you vascular as hell just as well as var. On a side note I apologize for posting about PHs when this is obviously the old school anabolics forum. I will leave this for you guys to advise the OP from here on out.

    Also, the thyroid while being something that recovers well is just one thing I'd rather not mess with personally. At least I know that if my test levels drop and lack the ability to recover I can go on trt. The thyroid on the other hand, well...
    Well I might have to try it.

    And DHEA is a hormone. I incorrectly state that earlier. Some people feel more comfortable with T4. But if ur afraid to mess with them I got good results from t2 the dietary supplement.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post

    You can go on t3 if you absolutely tank your thyroid infact thats what it was made for originally.
    Yeah but I dont want to be dosing that terrible tasting crap for the rest of my life! Lol
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Nc5590 View Post

    Thank you my friend! I was waiting for more responses so I appreciate you chiming in. As for my BF% i could very well be mistaking. I'm using the electronic BF devices at my gym to determine. I'm not sure how accurate they are. Put it this way you can see my abs. They just aren't as ripped and extremely cut up as I'd like. I def want to harden up more & get diced. I just have a layer over the abs preventing them from popping like I'd like. I've never had the genetic makeup of someone who's ripped. The last 2 yrs I've really started to look good and become more satisfied through hard training & good diet. Yes my diet is clean. I'm pretty wise about things in that regard. As for tren I've never done it but heard it can shred you up. What is to be expected as far as emotional, libido & acne sides? Keep in mind I don't want to bloat up. I'm looking to get hard as hell & shredded as a Mo Fo! Don't want to get too xtreme. How would low test Prop & high dose var work for me?
    I love tren. I think u would get better results with tren. U could run test/tren/var. bit pricy but its a killer combo. Sides are over hyped. Just have a bottle of lector & Priam in the stash, just in case. I'd run aromasin at 25mg Ed. Tren won't cause bloat. It increases my libido to ridiculous levels, emotionally never done anything to me. And I never had had acne problems in it.

    As far as low prop high var, idk. I'm sure it would work fine. Tren is king.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  9. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post

    Well I might have to try it.

    And DHEA is a hormone. I incorrectly state that earlier. Some people feel more comfortable with T4. But if ur afraid to mess with them I got good results from t2 the dietary supplement.
    I'm all about ECA or albuterol...
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post

    I really need to figure out my dosages on clen. My source of clen is almost too pure. At 60mcg I am a bit jittery at 100mcg I feel like meth would have a less jarring effect. I just need to find my sweet spot.
    Yeah I went to prescription. Liquid Clen is insane and hard to does properly. Plus the tabs don't leave a horrible after taste
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  11. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    I'm all about ECA or albuterol...
    I didn't even think about that Eca is awesome! I haven't used albuterol, but I got some prescription albuterol, I'm going to give it a run next time I cut. And liquid T3 taste like turds, go with prescription. If ur going to use illegal roids, dig a little and u can find illegal prescriptions.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  12. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post

    I love tren. I think u would get better results with tren. U could run test/tren/var. bit pricy but its a killer combo. Sides are over hyped. Just have a bottle of lector & Priam in the stash, just in case. I'd run aromasin at 25mg Ed. Tren won't cause bloat. It increases my libido to ridiculous levels, emotionally never done anything to me. And I never had had acne problems in it.

    As far as low prop high var, idk. I'm sure it would work fine. Tren is king.
    Thanks, I may just run this. My last cycle completely scared the sh*t out if me with the acne. It was so bad dude, I'm almost 30 and work in a very professional line of work so going to work with cystic acne on my neck & a forehead with enough grease to fry an egg wasnt pleasant. My chest & back would bleed daily. i did go higher on the test and ran it for 16 wks with the last 5 wks running oral winny with it. you did say winny causes acne right? not sure what did it but it was bad. im on accutane now & its going away. Plus I'm a pretty good looking guy I think and that just ruined my confidence for a bit. I haven't had acne like that since I was 18. Ok so what is lector & Priam? Also with out getting extreme what doses would you recommended I run the test Prop/tren/anavar at & how should I lay out this cycle?
    Thanks

  13. Are u on accutain pills or cream. The pills are extremely rough on the liver. If ur on pills I would highly recommend against taking oral steroids.

    Any dht based steroid can increase acne. Winny, mast. There are others but they evade me right now.

    Test I would run low 200-350 per week
    Tren I would run everyday 50mg and up. I'd start at 50 and increase till ur at 100mg Ed. If 100 is to much u can lower dose. It's short ester.

    Imagine if ur using the pill form of accutain don't take Anavar.

    If its the cream
    I'd run the Anavar at 100mg for the full 8 weeks.

    Priam Is like caber. It's for progestion related gyno. Letro is an extremely strong Ai. If sides get out of control use letro. I think the lower u go with the test the less sides u'll have. Might not need ether but buy them just in case. I'd suggest t3 because tren down regulates ur natural t3 production. And the thyroid is what controls ur matabolism.

    Sorry about spelling, I'm on my phone.

    It sounds like ur at ~10% bf can't before sure with out picks.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  14. Might want gerbil to help with dosing layout. I tend to go a bit heavy on my doses.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  15. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Are u on accutain pills or cream. The pills are extremely rough on the liver. If ur on pills I would highly recommend against taking oral steroids.

    Any dht based steroid can increase acne. Winny, mast. There are others but they evade me right now.

    Test I would run low 200-350 per week
    Tren I would run everyday 50mg and up. I'd start at 50 and increase till ur at 100mg Ed. If 100 is to much u can lower dose. It's short ester.

    Imagine if ur using the pill form of accutain don't take Anavar.

    If its the cream
    I'd run the Anavar at 100mg for the full 8 weeks.

    Priam Is like caber. It's for progestion related gyno. Letro is an extremely strong Ai. If sides get out of control use letro. I think the lower u go with the test the less sides u'll have. Might not need ether but buy them just in case. I'd suggest t3 because tren down regulates ur natural t3 production. And the thyroid is what controls ur matabolism.

    Sorry about spelling, I'm on my phone.

    It sounds like ur at ~10% bf can't before sure with out picks.
    Thanks, I can post a pic if I can figure out how. Is there a way to PM one to you? Are the tren sides as scary as I hear ppl say if I stuck with 50mg ED the whole 8 wks? I can't afford to be a depressed girl or have acne with what I do for a living.

  16. I think the sides are exaggerated. Yeah u can run 50mg Ed for 8 weeks. That's how I normally run it. Next cycle I'm going for 100mg Ed. Tren is insane. I lose bf rapidly, but it makes me look huge. Just ripped and jacked. 50mg is a good beginners dose. I've Hurd of some people run 30mg Ed. I personally like the feeling of 50. I think u will too.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  17. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Might want gerbil to help with dosing layout. I tend to go a bit heavy on my doses.
    Huh?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards

  18. I would go test 200mg weekly 40mg ed tren work it up to 50mg then max out at 75mg daily which will give you 525mg of tren a week which is more than enough for a first tren cycle. Throw in some winny and you will have something going on.

    Thats what I would do unless you wanted to use prop then thats what I would use.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards

  19. Oh yeah and caber or prami on hand.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    I would go test 200mg weekly 40mg ed tren work it up to 50mg then max out at 75mg daily which will give you 525mg of tren a week which is more than enough for a first tren cycle. Throw in some winny and you will have something going on.

    Thats what I would do unless you wanted to use prop then thats what I would use.
    Thanks gerbil. Keep in mind like I stated in prior posts above. I really want to avoid the acne risk as much as possible and I'm a sales trainer & motivational speaker so I can be an emotional wreck either or shirt fused. So will those doses you suggest cause much if that or should I keep it lower? Also do you suggest 8 wks? And if I run tren at 50mg with test prop will I need the Var?

  21. Test and tren is really all u need. Some people throw in Anavar or winny but tren is what gives u the most dramatic effects. And unless ur some what emotionally unstable to begin with then u probably won't have any issues while On.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  22. Cool. How about acne on 300 mg test prop & 50mg ED of tren?

  23. I honestly have no idea, I've never had acne problems. There are a lot of test/tren logs. Check them out. Give u an idea of what to expect
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  24. I guess the better question would be: What sort of sides should I expect from a low dose Test prop 250-300 mg wk: tren ace 50mg ED for 8 wks?? Again last cycle I ran test a lot higher and for 16 wks finishing with winny and broke out in nasty cystic deep rooted acne. Def trying to avoid that this time!!!

  25. Low test use only for sexual functions. Relay on the tren for your 'gains'. Test and tren both compete for same receptors.
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