Good prohormones for a cut?
- 04-09-2013, 11:58 AM
the route though of PH is irrelevant. Dienolone is less effective because its either a 2 or 3 step conversion process (debateable which one it is...which is scary imo) to tren. the more steps a ph has to go through to reach its intended hormone, the less target hormone that is produced which in turn makes it less effective because you are required to have more and more of the PH to achieve desired serum concentrations of the active hormone.
think of it this way, your body is very complex and adept at doing its job. But when you add a bunch of **** to it that it doesnt use naturally, you forcing the body to use tools (enzymes, carrier protiens, and other things) for purposes other than what they are intended to do. So the more steps that a ph has to go through to get into the intended hormone, the more room there is for error to occur.
Thats why supps like DHEA and DHEAS can be great, cause your body already makes them and uses them so your body knows what to do with them, but on the flipside, you cant force DHEA to turn into testosterone, you just have to take a sh*tton and hope that the majority of it gets converted. So with people taking hyper doses of DHEA and DHEAS (be it transdermally or orally or injecting it or whatever) it will still be used to make other hormones like estradiol, progesterone, and a slew of other sex hormones and sex protiens that may or may not build muscle.
thats why I feel the way I do about PHs, I just dont like them. are they bad? not inherently, and i understand why people use them i guess, i just dont wanna fool with em.
dienolone is no better imo than any of the other OTC ph/ds/hormonal support supps on the market right now. and i suppose you can inject it...i dont know of anybody that does but...if you wanna run a log of it ill gladly follow lol.
- 04-09-2013, 12:39 PM
The 19 nor Tren ph that converts to dienolone has Alot more solid user feedback then Trenavar ever has.
04-09-2013, 12:41 PM
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04-09-2013, 01:13 PM
And i mistakenly typed Dienolone when i should have typed diendione...sorry auto correct and i didn't realize it
But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective. Diendione is a ph to the Dienolone active hormone.
My opinion is unchanged however because the same principle applies.
Trnasdermal application helps with absorption of the drug and prevention of hepatic degradation bit it doesn't improve conversion rates
04-09-2013, 01:16 PM
04-09-2013, 01:22 PM
The old tren dienolone ph was one the strongest non methyl ph of all time. Everyone blew up on it. unlike trenavar which myself and many others got nothing from.Originally Posted by MANotaur
04-09-2013, 01:26 PM
And dienolone is not a tren clone. It's just dienolone. The unmethylated version of the pre ban steroid methyldienoloneOriginally Posted by MANotaur
04-09-2013, 01:26 PM
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04-09-2013, 01:48 PM
04-09-2013, 01:57 PM
Did it work for some people? Absolutely. Did it deliver as promised? Maybe for some. But either way it wasn't as good as some of your other preban phs that were out there
If y'all like them, then use them. Im hot a fan, and i gave my opinion as to why. If you don't like my opinion, then take it with a grain of salt.
Im not claiming that they don't save a role in many cycles or that they can't be used efficiently, i just don't have use for them in cycles and routines and would rather use the real deal
04-09-2013, 01:58 PM
[QUOTE=MANotaur;3938818]And i mistakenly typed Dienolone when i should have typed diendione...sorry auto correct and i didn't realize it
But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective.
My opinion is unchanged however because the same principle applies. /QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MANotaur;3938902]Dienolone was marketed as an alternative to trenbolone...which would make it a clone..
Do you know what you're talking about dienolone is a powerful steroid of itself.
The people who believed that it was a ph with a conversion to Trenbolone were just not that bright.
04-09-2013, 02:00 PM
04-09-2013, 02:06 PM
The original 19 nor tren that was everywhere, that not too long ago was banned. It did not convert to dienolone it was straight dienolone.Originally Posted by MANotaur
04-09-2013, 02:09 PM
I said in an earlier post that it converted to dienolone but I now remember it was just straight dienolone.Originally Posted by Bigchourico
04-09-2013, 02:12 PM
I know they weren't all that bright...but it doesn't change the fact that that is how it was marketed.
I know it is an active steroids hormone, how powerful it is debatable. I tried it once and wasnt impressed. I might have gained 5 lbs from an 8 week run. Im sorry, that was my last experience with a ph/ds and wasn't impressed.
To say that i don't know what Im talking about is wrong. I tried to stay objective both it and explain Ehh i prefer not to use any phs
04-09-2013, 02:12 PM
04-09-2013, 02:45 PM
[QUOTE=MANotaur;3938959]I know they weren't all that bright...but it doesn't change the fact that that is how it was marketed.
So what if they did??
If they marketed Pink Magic as the clone to Anadrol.. I'm not going to post on a forum saying "pink magic is an Anadrol clone"
04-09-2013, 05:01 PM
I ran pro dienolone, the 19nor version of "tren". Was it tren? The answer is no. Was it good? The answer is yes. Are PH/PS a waste? I'd say that that question can only be answered by the user and his/her personal experience with the product itself. Some people are non-responders to different compounds, whereas those same compounds can have astounding results with others.
The best an individual can do, when trying to decide on what compound to use in order to achieve their desired results is to gather as much information as possible on which compound to use, analyze that information, narrow down best possible compounds for said goals, and start eating pills.
The fact is, this argument can go on all day long and no one will be right or wrong, unless they deliberately posted inaccurate information. That being said, we all have our personal opinions on this matter, and most of these opinions are pretty respectable. There are facts, though, that are indisputable. Methyls ARE harmful to the liver. The extent to which they are harmful is individually dependent, and risks can be mitigated through proper supplementation.
On the subject of transdermals...epidermal permeability barrier. That's all I have to say.
OP, there are risks to everything you are going to do. Do your best to mitigate risk, PCT through one of many known and proven protocols, find out for yourself which is your best option and call it a day. Truthfully, that's how most of us found out...
Oh, and this should have been posted in the cycle info spot. It's on your app.
04-09-2013, 07:39 PM
i was wrong, i clarified that i thought. I had a misundertanding early on as to what was being asked.
Dienolone does not convert to trenbolone. I admit that i had said that and thats my fault for not staying up with the most recent fads in the ph world. last ph i was familiar with was trenavar (original) that was trendione, which converted to trenbolone. aparently there was another compound called trenazone (dienalone) that was marketed as a trenbolone clone or to be very similar to trenbolone. after trendione was banned, trenavar went through several reformulations that went through multiple conversion processes to make it compliant. I somehow pulled the thought that dienolone was one of those compounds...it might have been called something similar to that, it might not have been, either way i was wrong and i figured it out, and admitted it. its cool. its been dropped
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