Good prohormones for a cut?

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  1. Cutting is diet, diet, diet, and then training, training, training. When you hit the point of needing chemical assistance you are around maybe 12%. I know thats crappy but even I a relatively pudgy person my entire life have come to terms with it. Thus I am sitting here typing this eating my cold lean steak out of a ziplock bag after eating almost only eggs and veggies all day.

    Abs are made in the kitchen.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Cutting is diet, diet, diet, and then training, training, training. When you hit the point of needing chemical assistance you are around maybe 12%. I know thats crappy but even I a relatively pudgy person my entire life have come to terms with it. Thus I am sitting here typing this eating my cold lean steak out of a ziplock bag after eating almost only eggs and veggies all day.

    Abs are made in the kitchen.
    the things we do.... i love this video of ronnie coleman at work
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DllveFJRC18
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    OP....very few PHs arent worth their use IMO. The conversion rates of most PHs are very poor and they are made even less effective when they are not converted into the target/intended hormone.
    Sorry old post quote but what would you consider the few PH's worth use? Superdrol IMO is fantastic and can be run low dosed (12mg or so) and give better results then most others run at the upper end doses. Im actually a HUGE fan of the pulse method with superdrol (1 week on 1 week off) because for me I feel it almost immediately and you don't get shut down at all, infact I'm pretty sure superdrol boosts LH and test at the start. I do week on with higher volume and week off higher weight (5 reps) you keep most gains and all though it's slower than 4 week straight run you actually keep gains and look really impressive without having the look where most people assume your on roids.
    Any one else a fan of this?
    I f you havn't done it I recommend giving it a try.
    I dose higher though cause you want it to kick in and only doing 1 week so less liver damge.
    I do 15mg super/15mg dymethazine first few days then last few I do 20mg super/20 dmz.
    I'd personally prefer not to even have the dmz in there adding extra stress but I stocked up on a generic superdmz so cant avoid it.
    might post a log?
    "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle"

  4. Quote Originally Posted by seanghetto View Post
    Sorry old post quote but what would you consider the few PH's worth use? Superdrol IMO is fantastic and can be run low dosed (12mg or so) and give better results then most others run at the upper end doses. Im actually a HUGE fan of the pulse method with superdrol (1 week on 1 week off) because for me I feel it almost immediately and you don't get shut down at all, infact I'm pretty sure superdrol boosts LH and test at the start. I do week on with higher volume and week off higher weight (5 reps) you keep most gains and all though it's slower than 4 week straight run you actually keep gains and look really impressive without having the look where most people assume your on roids.
    Any one else a fan of this?
    I f you havn't done it I recommend giving it a try.
    I dose higher though cause you want it to kick in and only doing 1 week so less liver damge.
    I do 15mg super/15mg dymethazine first few days then last few I do 20mg super/20 dmz.
    I'd personally prefer not to even have the dmz in there adding extra stress but I stocked up on a generic superdmz so cant avoid it.
    might post a log?
    well....sd is a different story because it isnt a PH in any sense of the word lol. Its methylated masteron. so its an orally bioavailble AAS just like dbol or abombs. SD is appealing cause it acts as a very mild AI and it can lower SHBG. it will shut you down, just not to the extent that others do like nandrolones and other progestins.

    I have heard of the pulse method and it is intriguing. Ive never done it but would love to follow a log on it if your willing to donate your liver.
    The problem out there right is that there are few PHs that are still legal or "grey market" right now. Trenavar (trendione) is a PH that is good because it is a direct conversion of >90% to the active hormone trenbolone. Dienolone or dienone is the current "tren" ph and its terrible. its really not worth a damn imo cause the conversion isnt there. Hdrol is marketed to convert to tbol, but the conversion is less that 5%, what good does that do? theres a boldenone ph (boldione) out right now that has good conversion rates (nearly 100%) but boldenone is reletively week and has to be run for long periods of time to really acheive the desired results of boldenone. This makes it reletively hard or impractical to use because of the stress of the conversion process and its effing spendy to buy an appreciable amount of the product to achieve the desired results. This is all in light of when you can spend half as much for twice the real deal, and get twice the benefits and results for the same amount of time. Sure theres the inherent risk of buying black market drugs, but the reward is greater too.

    the good original PHs out there that are now banned like andro, norandro, REAL 1-AD, are all but gone because once they became illegal, the market crashed because you might as well go ahead and buy the real deal at that point.


    but FYI i actually am considering a SD kicker sometime in the future, I just wanna find a legit source for it. Ive actually got another thread here called SD vs Dbol if you wanna check it out. theres actually a really good debate going on about it.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    I have heard of the pulse method and it is intriguing. Ive never done it but would love to follow a log on it if your willing to donate your liver.
    The problem out there right is that there are few PHs that are still legal or "grey market" right now. Trenavar (trendione) is a PH that is good because it is a direct conversion of >90% to the active hormone trenbolone. Dienolone or dienone is the current "tren" ph and its terrible. its really not worth a damn imo cause the conversion isnt there. Hdrol is marketed to convert to tbol, but the conversion is less that 5%, what good does that do? theres a boldenone ph (boldione) out right now that has good conversion rates (nearly 100%) but boldenone is reletively week and has to be run for long periods of time to really acheive the desired results of boldenone. This makes it reletively hard or impractical to use because of the stress of the conversion process and its effing spendy to buy an appreciable amount of the product to achieve the desired results. This is all in light of when you can spend half as much for twice the real deal, and get twice the benefits and results for the same amount of time. Sure theres the inherent risk of buying black market drugs, but the reward is greater too.

    the good original PHs out there that are now banned like andro, norandro, REAL 1-AD, are all but gone because once they became illegal, the market crashed because you might as well go ahead and buy the real deal at that point.


    but FYI i actually am considering a SD kicker sometime in the future, I just wanna find a legit source for it. Ive actually got another thread here called SD vs Dbol if you wanna check it out. there's actually a really good debate going on about it.
    What about topically applied Trenazone (Dienolone). Doesn't require conversion and bypasses direct liver/kidneys etc. So would the availability/use rate of this be 100%??
    Do you think Dienolone is a good steroid? Do people inject Dienolone? ( I don't mean trenazone! lol )

    I'm new to oral steroid/PH cycles...the reason I do it is more or less (and I think this applies for a lot of others) because I don't have access to/or know how obtain AAS.
    Any tips on helping increase the chances of me "stumbling" upon them?
    "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle"
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by seanghetto View Post
    What about topically applied Trenazone (Dienolone). Doesn't require conversion and bypasses direct liver/kidneys etc. So would the availability/use rate of this be 100%??
    Do you think Dienolone is a good steroid? Do people inject Dienolone? ( I don't mean trenazone! lol )

    I'm new to oral steroid/PH cycles...the reason I do it is more or less (and I think this applies for a lot of others) because I don't have access to/or know how obtain AAS.
    Any tips on helping increase the chances of me "stumbling" upon them?
    NO SOURCING!! lol i kid...best thing i can say is talk to gym rats or run a google search of what you want and you should be able to find all you would ever need/want.

    the route though of PH is irrelevant. Dienolone is less effective because its either a 2 or 3 step conversion process (debateable which one it is...which is scary imo) to tren. the more steps a ph has to go through to reach its intended hormone, the less target hormone that is produced which in turn makes it less effective because you are required to have more and more of the PH to achieve desired serum concentrations of the active hormone.

    think of it this way, your body is very complex and adept at doing its job. But when you add a bunch of **** to it that it doesnt use naturally, you forcing the body to use tools (enzymes, carrier protiens, and other things) for purposes other than what they are intended to do. So the more steps that a ph has to go through to get into the intended hormone, the more room there is for error to occur.

    Thats why supps like DHEA and DHEAS can be great, cause your body already makes them and uses them so your body knows what to do with them, but on the flipside, you cant force DHEA to turn into testosterone, you just have to take a sh*tton and hope that the majority of it gets converted. So with people taking hyper doses of DHEA and DHEAS (be it transdermally or orally or injecting it or whatever) it will still be used to make other hormones like estradiol, progesterone, and a slew of other sex hormones and sex protiens that may or may not build muscle.

    thats why I feel the way I do about PHs, I just dont like them. are they bad? not inherently, and i understand why people use them i guess, i just dont wanna fool with em.

    dienolone is no better imo than any of the other OTC ph/ds/hormonal support supps on the market right now. and i suppose you can inject it...i dont know of anybody that does but...if you wanna run a log of it ill gladly follow lol.
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  7. The 19 nor Tren ph that converts to dienolone has Alot more solid user feedback then Trenavar ever has.

  8. Most of the Trenavar logs are hit or miss with half the users not noticing anything at all.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    the route though of PH is irrelevant. Dienolone is less effective because its either a 2 or 3 step conversion process (debateable which one it is...which is scary imo) to tren.
    I thought Dienolone was the target homone? Trenazone is transdermally applied dienolone... It's active and doesn't require conversion...right?
    "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle"

  10. Trendione logs are always hit cause its a direct conversion to tren...the miss are trnaval clones that were produced after trnedione products were banned...

    Just like the sd logs are hit or miss. ..ad clones aren't near as effective as the real deal sd
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  11. And i mistakenly typed Dienolone when i should have typed diendione...sorry auto correct and i didn't realize it

    But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective. Diendione is a ph to the Dienolone active hormone.

    My opinion is unchanged however because the same principle applies.

    Trnasdermal application helps with absorption of the drug and prevention of hepatic degradation bit it doesn't improve conversion rates
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective. Diendione is a ph to the Dienolone active hormone.
    Nowhere near as effective as what? superdrol?....hell no lol, Ive found you hardly get any strength gains from dienolone either..
    "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle"

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur
    And i mistakenly typed Dienolone when i should have typed diendione...sorry auto correct and i didn't realize it

    But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective. Diendione is a ph to the Dienolone active hormone.

    My opinion is unchanged however because the same principle applies.

    Trnasdermal application helps with absorption of the drug and prevention of hepatic degradation bit it doesn't improve conversion rates
    The old tren dienolone ph was one the strongest non methyl ph of all time. Everyone blew up on it. unlike trenavar which myself and many others got nothing from.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur

    But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective.
    And dienolone is not a tren clone. It's just dienolone. The unmethylated version of the pre ban steroid methyldienolone

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post
    The old tren dienolone ph was one the strongest non methyl ph of all time. Everyone blew up on it. unlike trenavar which myself and many others got nothing from.
    Have u tried the transdermal Trenazone? low dose trnzone (1ml/day) stacked with stano is IMO the best and most effective stack for cut. Bump up to 2-2.5ml and increase calories and you gain some serious lbs. I gained 7lbs on an attempted cut. So wasn't taking in huge amounts of calories.
    "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle"

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post

    And dienolone is not a tren clone. It's just dienolone. The unmethylated version of the pre ban steroid methyldienolone
    Dienolone was marketed as an alternative to trenbolone...which would make it a clone..

    Maybe not in the literal context of a clone..but it was still promised to deliver the same results as trenbolone...which it did not and could not
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post

    The old tren dienolone ph was one the strongest non methyl ph of all time. Everyone blew up on it. unlike trenavar which myself and many others got nothing from.
    To say everyone blew up in it inaccurate and an opinion. It was nowhere near the strongest..it has an AA rating of 100/10...trenbolone has one of 500/500.

    Did it work for some people? Absolutely. Did it deliver as promised? Maybe for some. But either way it wasn't as good as some of your other preban phs that were out there


    If y'all like them, then use them. Im hot a fan, and i gave my opinion as to why. If you don't like my opinion, then take it with a grain of salt.

    Im not claiming that they don't save a role in many cycles or that they can't be used efficiently, i just don't have use for them in cycles and routines and would rather use the real deal
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    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  18. [QUOTE=MANotaur;3938818]And i mistakenly typed Dienolone when i should have typed diendione...sorry auto correct and i didn't realize it

    But Dienolone either way is a tren clone and is nowhere near as effective.

    My opinion is unchanged however because the same principle applies. /QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=MANotaur;3938902]Dienolone was marketed as an alternative to trenbolone...which would make it a clone..

    /QUOTE]

    Do you know what you're talking about dienolone is a powerful steroid of itself.
    The people who believed that it was a ph with a conversion to Trenbolone were just not that bright.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    The 19 nor Tren ph that converts to dienolone has Alot more solid user feedback then Trenavar ever has.
    What 19-nor tren ph are you talking about? The only one Im aware of is trendione...which was the original trenavar
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur

    What 19-nor tren ph are you talking about? The only one Im aware of is trendione...which was the original trenavar
    The original 19 nor tren that was everywhere, that not too long ago was banned. It did not convert to dienolone it was straight dienolone.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico

    The original 19 nor tren that was everywhere, that not too long ago was banned. It did not convert to dienolone it was straight dienolone.
    I said in an earlier post that it converted to dienolone but I now remember it was just straight dienolone.

  22. I know they weren't all that bright...but it doesn't change the fact that that is how it was marketed.

    I know it is an active steroids hormone, how powerful it is debatable. I tried it once and wasnt impressed. I might have gained 5 lbs from an 8 week run. Im sorry, that was my last experience with a ph/ds and wasn't impressed.
    To say that i don't know what Im talking about is wrong. I tried to stay objective both it and explain Ehh i prefer not to use any phs
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post
    I said in an earlier post that it converted to dienolone but I now remember it was just straight dienolone.
    It was some good sh.it

  24. [QUOTE=MANotaur;3938959]I know they weren't all that bright...but it doesn't change the fact that that is how it was marketed.

    /QUOTE]
    So what if they did??
    If they marketed Pink Magic as the clone to Anadrol.. I'm not going to post on a forum saying "pink magic is an Anadrol clone"

  25. I ran pro dienolone, the 19nor version of "tren". Was it tren? The answer is no. Was it good? The answer is yes. Are PH/PS a waste? I'd say that that question can only be answered by the user and his/her personal experience with the product itself. Some people are non-responders to different compounds, whereas those same compounds can have astounding results with others.
    The best an individual can do, when trying to decide on what compound to use in order to achieve their desired results is to gather as much information as possible on which compound to use, analyze that information, narrow down best possible compounds for said goals, and start eating pills.
    The fact is, this argument can go on all day long and no one will be right or wrong, unless they deliberately posted inaccurate information. That being said, we all have our personal opinions on this matter, and most of these opinions are pretty respectable. There are facts, though, that are indisputable. Methyls ARE harmful to the liver. The extent to which they are harmful is individually dependent, and risks can be mitigated through proper supplementation.
    On the subject of transdermals...epidermal permeability barrier. That's all I have to say.
    OP, there are risks to everything you are going to do. Do your best to mitigate risk, PCT through one of many known and proven protocols, find out for yourself which is your best option and call it a day. Truthfully, that's how most of us found out...

    Oh, and this should have been posted in the cycle info spot. It's on your app.
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