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    Quote Originally Posted by usealittle View Post
    Why not keep tren/mast in though the show?

    Prop should be cut at least 2wks before but 3wks would be better

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    I keep Test P in the mix at 200 per wk. But it depends on how it bloats you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02sixxer

    I keep Test P in the mix at 200 per wk. But it depends on how it bloats you.
    I agree with this. At a low TRT dose with a decent AI you shouldn't have any bloat.
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    If the goal when on stage is to be a lean and dry as possable, ANYTHING that will cause water retention has to go.

    OP do as your boy (who competes) and I said, cut the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usealittle
    If the goal when on stage is to be a lean and dry as possable, ANYTHING that will cause water retention has to go.

    OP do as your boy (who competes) and I said, cut the test.

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    So your saying that natural bodybuilders can't get that dry hard look because they have testosterone in their system? If you prep yourself properly prior to the show re dropping water etc and run a TRT dose with a decent aromataze inhibitor you won't have any bloat.
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    Look I'm not here to have a pissing match with you. You have your way you would do it and I know how smart pros do it. I'm not the only one tellin this guy to drop the test, his buddy that competes in the NPC said to do the same.

    I'm giving my though on it and you give your, the OP can make it own mind on which way to do it.

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    I actually just talked to a guy competing in USAs this year. Currently around 300lbs and pretty lean. He uses test e up until 4 weeks out, then uses prop for 2 weeks, and drops all test 2 weeks out. Sticking with that idea.
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    ^^^ either way.... ALL TEST IS DROPPED 2WKS OUT! Do it. Caps not pointed at the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usealittle
    Look I'm not here to have a pissing match with you. You have your way you would do it and I know how smart pros do it. I'm not the only one tellin this guy to drop the test, his buddy that competes in the NPC said to do the same.

    I'm giving my though on it and you give your, the OP can make it own mind on which way to do it.

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    And I'm giving him my thoughts. If he were to drop the prop 3 weeks out he will have to bear the brunt of the side effects of having ZERO test in his system. Side effects including but not limited to lethargy, depression, lack of self esteem, unable to get a boner or even aroused for that matter. Simply put feeling absolutely miserable for weeks prior to comp. A TRT dose won't cause **** all bloat without an AI let alone with letro etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw31
    I actually just talked to a guy competing in USAs this year. Currently around 300lbs and pretty lean. He uses test e up until 4 weeks out, then uses prop for 2 weeks, and drops all test 2 weeks out. Sticking with that idea.
    Lukef... These are the OPs words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    And I'm giving him my thoughts. If he were to drop the prop 3 weeks out he will have to bear the brunt of the side effects of having ZERO test in his system. Side effects including but not limited to lethargy, depression, lack of self esteem, unable to get a boner or even aroused for that matter. Simply put feeling absolutely miserable for weeks prior to comp. A TRT dose won't cause **** all bloat without an AI let alone with letro etc.
    lol ya bro, dudes runnin competition cycles drop all the test completely and go through all that cause they dont get any drier at all...
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    Well, all the top 3 pros at the olyimpa last year can't be wrong but....

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    Quote Originally Posted by usealittle
    Well, all the top 3 pros at the olyimpa last year can't be wrong but....

    Op, I'll answer any and all question and try to help you out as much as I know how.

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    I'm well aware the it's the norm for the pros. I just don't recommend it due to a personal experience when a friend of mine tried to commit suicide from extreme depression caused by low test. I know a few guys that compete who run trt doses that come up on stage dry and hard.
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    Ok man

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    Listen guys, no reason for any more argument over dropping or not dropping test. I will be dropping my test 2 weeks out. I understand the side effects of this, as well as the side effects of the other steroids I will be using. Maybe you don't know due to lack of experience, but tren isn't exactly a drug that makes you happy and want to play in a field of flowers all day. **** makes you big and strong, but it also makes you aggressive, on edge, slightly depressed, poor sleep, crazy dreams, etc.... I feel that the only way to combat the negative side effects of any steroid, is to know the negative effects and prepare yourself for them. If I went into a cycle with anything over 500 tren and 700 test without knowing that there would be side effects, I would surely end up all out of wack, crazy, or severely depressed.

    For me, I'm going to get some cialis, a fine ass b1tch to bang those two weeks, and a nice big mirror so I can see how far I've come. I'm pretty sure that with those things alone, I would be fine. I also have other things in my life that will keep me from becoming depressed. As I am still in school and will be until im about 26, I am an active member of a fraternity and live with a few of my brothers who know I use and know what to look for as far as aggressive and depressive symptoms go. I am much too in love with my life to ever become severely depressed.
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    It's good to see you have all your ducks In a row, and know what and where you want to be.

    Keep me/us informed on how things are goin... Good luck

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    Tested at 8.51% today at 240lbs.
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    Very nice bro! Keep it up. I might have missed it but how many weeks out are you now?
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    I'm going to subscribe just for the info. I don't know enough to give any advice.

    Good luck OP. You obv are doing something right.
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    looking huge bro. 240lbs
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    I'm 12 weeks out today! I talked to a 300lb monster who is a top 10 ranked bodybuilder in the usa today. His advice was to run 1500mg test e until 4 4 weeks out and only to use prop the last 2 weeks. He said test e doesn't suppress lh hormone like other esters of test does. Is this true??
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    I have been on sus250 and today I was planning to switch to prop, but now im really thinking of switching to test e. Would it take 4 weeks for test e to kick in when switching from sus? Would 4 weeks be far enough out to drop test e to let the ester fully clear and the bloat from the e be gone fully??
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    ....as far as i know, test is test... only diff is the amount of water held.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usealittle View Post
    ....as far as i know, test is test... only diff is the amount of water held.
    That is what my thoughts were. Also, I was advised to use eq for vascularity and appetite.

    Anyone know how far out I should drop eq and test e to get rid of all bloat?
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    2 weeks. Are you running anything else in that time. I would be on an oral if I were you.
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    Here is my overhauled cycle for the next 12 weeks!

    12-9: 1500 test e, 500 tren ace, 500 mast ace, 600eq
    8-4: 1500 test e, 700 tren ace, 700 mast ace, 600eq
    4-3: 500 test prop, 700 tren ace, 700 mast ace
    2-show: 1000 tren ace, 1000 mast ace

    Orals:
    12-7: 50var
    6-4: 100var
    4-show: 100var, 45halo
    For an AI, Armi will be run until 2 weeks out, then I will switch to letro.

    Not yet decided:
    Winstrol the last 4-6 weeks. have not yet decided 100% for sure on oral or inject. opinions?
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    As for eq me, I would run it at 1g... That's where I like it at. You could up it if you like, as for droppin it out when?... That I don't know, can't help on that one

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    Maybe ill do higher eq then
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    Damn bro thats a cycle. Serious gear.

    I would do pill bc its just as effective and you dont have to put up with serious PIP each day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02sixxer View Post
    Damn bro thats a cycle. Serious gear.I would do pill bc its just as effective and you dont have to put up with serious PIP each day.
    I'm currently pinning the following weekly:5cc testE(300mg/ml)2cc eq(400mg/ml)5cc tren(100mg/ml)5cc mast(100mg/ml)-as soon as it gets here17cc total = pinning everydayWhen i up my tren/mast to 700mg/week i will have to pin 3cc a day. Pinning is not a problem for me. I just hear a lot about injectable winstrol causing infection/lumps because of its water base. That is something I want to avoid.Weekly I inject the following amount into each bodypart without repeating any sites.Shoulders: 2.5cc each- 5ccTriceps: 1cc each- 2ccBiceps:1cc each- 2ccGlutes: 3cc each- 6ccQuads: 3cc each- 6ccTotal: 21ccI can however repeat shoulders, triceps, and biceps every other day if I use 1/2" 29g slin pins and only inject:Shoulders-1cc each, 3 time a week- 6 ccBiceps- .5cc each, 3 times a week- 3 ccTriceps- .5cc each, 3 times a week- 3ccI can also repeat quads and glutes twice a week:Quads- 2cc each, twice a week- 8ccGutes- 3cc each, twice a week- 12ccMax total with repeat sites per week- 32cc
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    Weight is down in the 236-238 range depending on hydration and previous meal timing. My lean mass, according to my last bodyfat test, is 220. I doubt I am losing muscle with the cycle I am on. So I am hoping that I've lost a couple pounds of pure fat this week and my bodyfat is down under 8%. What do you guys think?
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