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For some reason I was under the impression through the enzyme process some prohormones will actually convert to an active steroid. But yes I guess act similar to Bold. I am trying to figure what I want to kick my test e cycle off withOriginally Posted by DetroitHammer
11-20-2012, 02:45 PM
11-21-2012, 02:41 AM
P-bold by Taurus Nutrition supposedly converts to boldenone. There are definitely some prohormones that convert to active steroids. Some have steroidal activity before they convert as well as after. I dont know much about this product just know it exists. Good luck man.
11-21-2012, 05:41 AM
Saying DHEA is a prohormone (for example) and it eventually converts to testosterone is a stretch, although in theory it should help the conversion to testosterone. DHEA is a natural endogenous steroid hormone, unlike Equip, and still, its benefits as a supplement are suspect. I can pull down advertisements that claim "Tren" is a legitimate OTC prohormone that does what Tren does, but as we all know, that's impossible. I believe they advertise in Flex.
Equip is a synthetically manufactured AAS that mimics the effects of testosterone and DHT in some ways. I would agree that a prohormone can produce some anabolic effects, but to claim you can mix a synthetic coc ktail inside your body is something I'm not convinced of. But given the nature of steroids and its classification by the government, it's easy to make false claims in advertising with impunity.
11-21-2012, 08:05 AM
P-BOLD (Now made by Androfactory thanks to the help of Taurus's formulator) is a bold pro hormone, could be worth a shot depending in your goals.Originally Posted by RippedCity
I ran Taurus's version with pretty solid results.
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I think the "ignorant" statement he was referring to is the one where you said a kicker isnt really necessary or helpful. I may be wrong tho. I do agree on the equip debate, tho.Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
11-21-2012, 02:00 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well. Someone kicking a test e cycle is famous for a reason so I didn't see the point there. The test can take like 6 weeks to see results so that's why I was thinking about having a kicker. But the prohormone conversion is a legitimate debate.Originally Posted by grandroid828
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Agreed. For the record i wasnt agreeing or disagreeing with him or you lol just trying to clear things up definitely see your logic bro. Cant personally speak to it cuz i dont feel educated enough, so ill spare you the bro science lol.Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
11-21-2012, 04:38 PM
11-21-2012, 05:46 PM
Ok, because a synthetic PH will not convert to synthetic steroid under any circumstance. /QUOTE]
Wtf the definition of a prohormone
Is a precursor of a hormone, that is converted to an active hormone by peripheral metabolism.And they've been selling a lot of them for years now. My first was 1-ad by Ergopharm.
11-21-2012, 07:15 PM
I did a lot of reading by Patrick Arnold, who you all know is probably the most knowledgeable prohormone guru in the world. He said : “Boldenone (1,4-androstadiene-3-one-17β-ol) does not metabolize to any 1,4-3b-ols. so 3b-hsd is not acting on these in the direction of reduction. That could mean it doesn’t work on these in the direction of oxidation either.” He further went on to say in vitro the conversion of “P-Bold” to 1,4 Andro seems to work, but no one knows if it works in the body that way, but there is a likelihood that it does, with a very low conversion rate, of like 15%.
Boldione itself likely does not have any significant anabolic or androgenic value. However after interaction in vitro with the 17b-HSD enzyme, boldione is converted to the illegal anabolic steroid boldenone. Boldione can also be converted to 1-androstenedione (1-AD) and/or 1-testosterone after interaction with the 5a-reductase enzyme. These metabolites are where this pro-hormone gets most of its effects. Since boldione is a dione, conversions to the more powerful steroid metabolites are expected to be near 15-20%, which is another reason why such high doses are needed to see results.
So, let’s say it does actually convert to 1,4-androstadiene-3-one-17β-ol after interaction with the 5a-reductase enzyme in the body (which we do not know). Injectable Equip is weak as it is, so for anyone to notice any effect from the prohormone P-Bold, you’d have to ingest so much of it a day it be impractical.
11-21-2012, 07:55 PM
[QUOTE=Bigchourico;3725114]The first prohormone developed by Patrick Arnold. Converts to 1-testosterone, a 5-alpha reduced 1-ene steroid, a natural occurring steroid which is why it's illegal now. So yes, 1-AD was a powerful steroid precursor.Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
11-21-2012, 08:31 PM
I'm in agreement with you. I also read PA's comments on P Bold being bunk and I after I ran it, I agree.
You can't throw out a blanket statement saying that no prohormones convert to active steroids and I think that's what vida was saying. For instance, you just said in your last post that the original 1-ad converted to 1-test being an active steroid. That is obviously contradicting your statement that none convert
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Believe me I would if I had the cash man. If I could I would run winny or Tbol. Want to run some ph for solid muscle gainsOriginally Posted by DetroitHammer
11-22-2012, 01:38 PM
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11-22-2012, 01:49 PM
Do a search on M-sten from IML there coming out with a 10mg dose supposedly really pure..
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11-22-2012, 03:01 PM
I'm with Detroit on this one, kick starts are fine but IMO they only serve the purpose of feeling on ad making gains quicker. I ran a cycle a couple months ago, I did SD to kick start and I also finished off my last 4 weeks with SD. TBH, it was wayyyy more amazing and beneficial at the end. Thinking about it, to kick start you are really only seeing one compound (the kick start) the first 4 weeks, when the test has full kicked in and you run that same compound now you are truly on test and SD for example. My gains were insane having full stable blood levels of both.
My suggestion, get some test p and kick start that way, establish your stable blood levels of testosterone and then throw in a strong oral. The gains will be very pleasing.
My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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