what happens after 3 week of test cycle?
- 08-21-2012, 05:56 AM
what happens after 3 week of test cycle?
I have done 5-6 testovis only cycles in the past two years and my buddy did the same.. we both experienced not real lethargy but a little sluggish after the first weeks. The first weeks feeling like lions and then a little sluggish. My buddy also experienced some libido drops... We tried proviron and aromasin.. but we did not notice many changes... I have read lots of threads and found that it could be cortisol?? or shbg too high??? too low
water intake??? anybody have any idea thoughts?
- 08-22-2012, 11:22 AM
normally i would say your suppressed after about 5-6weeks of test running.how much were you guys running how much sleep were you getting,what was your calorie intake,what was your workouts like?
could have been quite a few factors
- 08-26-2012, 07:17 AM
400/500 mg/week, were getting 5-6 hours sleep at night, and calorie intake was different from each others.. mine was quite high around 3000/4000(lots of fats and carbs) and his was around 2000/2500. Different workout regimen as well. I was doin heavy weights and lots of cardio.. my buddy much lighter lifting and very little cardio. same feelin' sluggish!
08-26-2012, 07:30 AM
Well there's 2 possible problems IMO. 5-6 hours of sleep is not enough sleep and could account for sluggishness. Or the gear that you got could be badOriginally Posted by francesco
08-26-2012, 03:03 PM
08-27-2012, 07:04 PM
try to get some more rest and make sure you are eating enough to grow. if you dont see any gains and you still feel lethargic than your gear is most likely bunk. Where do you live? It wouldnt be the first time a pharmacy sells bunk gear in some countries.
09-18-2012, 06:05 AM
ok so maybe this could be the answer, or at least part of the equation and would make perfect sense!
ANABOLIC STEROID USAGE AND THYROID SUPPRESSION
Bodybuilders who use large amounts of anabolic steroids often report lethargy as a side effect. Sleepiness, irritability, and foggy-headness are commonly reported by users of some of the more powerful anabolic steroids in large dosages. The cause of this lethargy has been the subject of debate in the performance-enhancement drug community, and the solution may be multifactorial. Published studies have given reason to suspect that thyroid hormone suppression may be one of these factors.
There are two major thyroid hormones, T4 and T3. T3 is considered the most active thyroid hormone, and its job is to act as a sort of ter regulator of every major aspect of metabolism- from protein thesis to carbohydrate and fat oxidation. T3 acts in general as a metabolic stimulator, and in addition to its influence on how the uses fuel for energy and tissue building, it also works to generate heat production (thermogenesis) via enhancement of uncoupling protein 1 (UCP-1) expression in the liver.
The production of too much thyroid hormone (hyperthyroidism) and too little thyroid hormone (hypothyroidism) are both undesirable conditions. Hyperthyroidism leads to overstimulation of the nervous system (resulting in elevated heart rate and nervousness), as well loss of lean body mass due to protein catabolism. Hypothyroidism; the other hand, leads to depression and fatigue, as well as other symptoms such as joint pain, sensitivity to cold, and fat gain.
ANABOLIC STEROIDS AND THYROID SUPPRESSION
As I stated in my introduction, published studies have confirmed that anabolic steroid use can suppress thyroid hormone levels in the blood. It appears that this is not due so much to a decrease in the production of the main thyroid hormone (T4) in the thyroid gland, however. What really is the culprit of the suppression is debatable, as different studies have found different things. Two things are clear, though. The levels of total and free active thyroid hormone (T3) are decreased with anabolic steroid use, and T4 thyroid hormone-binding globulin levels are markedly elevated. However, free T4 appears to be unchanged, as does TSH, which is the hormone that your brain produces to stimulate thyroid hormone production in the thyroid gland. So what is happening is not entirely clear. It may be a combination of disrupted conversion of T4 to T3 and/or interference of bioavailable T4 levels by excessive T4 thyroid hormone-binding globulin. Whatever the case, levels of the active thyroid hormoneT3 can be suppressed by anabolic steroid use- particularly at higher dosages. Such suppression can interfere with maximum muscle growth from a cycle, as optimal protein synthesis activity is dependent upon ideal T3 levels in the body.
It is interesting to note that bodybuilders have discovered by trial and error that thyroid hormone supplementation leads to greater gains during a cycle. I am pretty sure that this anecdotal discovery was made without the knowledge that AAS (anabolic-androgenic steroid) usage is thyroid suppressive.
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