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    Phew...serious update is serious lol. Octuple post.
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    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids

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    Haha took up my lunch break yesterday catching bro. Good to see you are still killing it!
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Catching what now? lol


    Day 66 - 8/1/12

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    Workout: A3


    HS Chest Press - WU: 1p + 25ps X 15. RP Set: 3 plates + 25ps 10 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    11 sec static
    60 sec stretch w/ 70lb DBs

    HS Shoulder Press - WU: 35 per side X 15. RP: 2p + 5ps 9 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    60 sec stretch

    Cable Tri Extensions - WU: 140lbs X 20. Working set: 210 X 17, 220 X 14, 230 X 13

    Rack Chins - WU: BW X 10. RP Set: BW + 55lbs 10 + 6 + 4 *More WEIGHT*
    9 sec static
    60 sec stretch

    Seated Cable Row (V-Bar) - WU: 110lbs X 15. RP Set: 200lbs 9 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    23 sec static
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    Day 67 - 8/2/12

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
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    Wow now that's an update Lol
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    Day 68 - 8/3/12

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    Workout: B3

    Seated Leg Curl - WU: 110 X 15. RP Set: 210lbs 10 + 6 + 3 *More REPS*
    16 second static
    60 second stretch

    Calf Leg Press -
    Working Sets: 3 plates per side X 20, 18, 15, 12

    Nautilus Leg Press - *Still healing knee*


    Wide-Grip Cable Curls - WU: 80lbs X 15. RP Set: 170lbs 8 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    8 sec static

    Reverse Preacher Curls - WU: 30lbs X 15.
    Pyramid: 60lbs X 15, 60lbs X 15, 60lbs X 12 *More REPS*

    LIGHT Quad Extension WidowMaker - 2 plates
    12 rep + 6 reps + 3 reps + 2 reps = 23 reps total
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    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
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    Day 69 - 8/4/12

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    Workout: Weak Aspects

    Pec Fly Machine - WU: 70lbs X 15. Pyramid: 145 X 13, 155 X 13, 165 X 10 *More REPS*

    DB Flys - WU: 20s X 15. RP Set: 50lb DBs 11 + 6 + 4 *More WEIGHT*
    13 sec static

    Lateral Raises - WU: 15lb DBs X 15. Working set: 35lb DBs X 15, 12, 10 *More REPS*

    DB Front Raises supersetted w/ DB Shrugs
    FR: 30lb DBs X 40 (20 reps per arm) Shrugs: 90lb DBs X 12
    FR: 35lb DBs X 30 (15 reps per arm) Shrugs: 90lb DBs X 11
    FR: 40lb DBs X 24 (12 reps per arm) Shrugs: 90lb DBs X 10
    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
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    Taken today... Fat'n'ready to cut at 205!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth
    Taken today... Fat'n'ready to cut at 205!
    You've put on some serious size bro! And what is there to cut?! You look lean as f**k. Nice job man your arms are massive.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technique88

    You've put on some serious size bro! And what is there to cut?! You look lean as f**k. Nice job man your arms are massive.
    I agree! Looking big and solid! Keep growing man
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    Lol I am trying to figure out what there is to cut...you have definitely put on quality mass. Looks like you left no room for fat/water gain. For a test e run you kept it amazingly dry.
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    lol I appreciate the kind words gentlemen. But I do promise you, the abdominal definition I had at the start is definitely down quite a bit. That sounds kind of ridiculous because I've never been that concerned about abs, but the abdominal region is simply what I look at to gauge body fat. I don't think I gained much, but I definitely gained some. I got up to 200lbs pretty damn lean, but to get to 205 I had to start eating like a horse lol. It's good though...if you guys think I'm lean at the moment, I can't wait to post pics in 4 weeks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth
    lol I appreciate the kind words gentlemen. But I do promise you, the abdominal definition I had at the start is definitely down quite a bit. That sounds kind of ridiculous because I've never been that concerned about abs, but the abdominal region is simply what I look at to gauge body fat. I don't think I gained much, but I definitely gained some. I got up to 200lbs pretty damn lean, but to get to 205 I had to start eating like a horse lol. It's good though...if you guys think I'm lean at the moment, I can't wait to post pics in 4 weeks!
    Shred time bro! I've been leaning down a lot on my cycle too. I do about 20-25min of cardio after every work out. are you using anything for your cut? (Substance wise)
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Just test-e, really lol. Might hop on EC, we shall see.


    Day 70 - 8/5/12

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
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    Can you tell me more on the concept of minimum AI during PCT and using one towards the end and not all the way through?
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    lookin jacked!



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    Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    Can you tell me more on the concept of minimum AI during PCT and using one towards the end and not all the way through?
    Well, the concept is simple really, although to be fair I'm really not following what I originally planned for PCT. Basically, the goal of PCT is to try and return the body to a state of homeostasis, and technically if you're taking a drug which is driving a hormone down (estrogen in this case), you would not be returning to an absolute homeostasis. Just like on cycle, you only take the AI if you feel you see signs of gyno. With that in mind, taking it at the end is coinciding with tapering off clomid, because a lot of people report the so-called "rebound" gyno while tapering off of a SERM. Mild AI to ensure you don't have to worry about the rebound, but not so powerfully supplemented to take you out of the homeostasis you've returned yourself to. Meanwhile, at the start of PCT, your body is really imbalanced, and the addition of an AI would only be throwing off the balance more.

    That was my reasoning at least. I've changed some things up though. The last two weeks of my cycle (while the test is clearing) I'm starting forma-stanzol, and running it for the first 2 weeks of PCT as well. In addition to that, I plan to take erase, simply because I like the addition of a suicide AI. I also happened to really enjoy it the last time I ran it.
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    Day 71 - 8/6/12

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    Workout: A1

    Incline BB Smythe - WU: 35lbs per side X 15. RP Set: 2 plates + 10 per side 8+ 4 + 2
    15 sec static
    60 second stretch w/ 60lb DBs

    Smythe Shoulder Press - WU: Bar X 20. RP Set: 1 plate + 25 per side 6 + 3 + 1 *More REPS*
    10 second static
    60 second stretch

    Weighted Dips - RP Set: BW + 65lbs 8 + 5 + 3
    BW X 20
    14 sec static/stretch

    Lat Pulldowns - WU: 120lbs X 15. RP Set: 240lbs 9 + 5 + 3 *More REPS*
    15 second static
    60 second stretch

    Seated HS Row (1-armed) - WU: 3pps X 15. RP Set: 6pps 10 + 5 + 3
    9 second static


    At this point I definitely feel like I've hit my gains in terms of weight being moved for this cycle. Luckily this coincides with the beginning of my cutting process. Everything is pretty much staying where it's been (past 2 or 3 weeks), and I'm very happy with the progress. Shred time.
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    Day 72 - 8/7/12

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    Well, the concept is simple really, although to be fair I'm really not following what I originally planned for PCT. Basically, the goal of PCT is to try and return the body to a state of homeostasis, and technically if you're taking a drug which is driving a hormone down (estrogen in this case), you would not be returning to an absolute homeostasis. Just like on cycle, you only take the AI if you feel you see signs of gyno. With that in mind, taking it at the end is coinciding with tapering off clomid, because a lot of people report the so-called "rebound" gyno while tapering off of a SERM. Mild AI to ensure you don't have to worry about the rebound, but not so powerfully supplemented to take you out of the homeostasis you've returned yourself to. Meanwhile, at the start of PCT, your body is really imbalanced, and the addition of an AI would only be throwing off the balance more.

    That was my reasoning at least. I've changed some things up though. The last two weeks of my cycle (while the test is clearing) I'm starting forma-stanzol, and running it for the first 2 weeks of PCT as well. In addition to that, I plan to take erase, simply because I like the addition of a suicide AI. I also happened to really enjoy it the last time I ran it.
    I've used Erase for that same reason in the past, it really is the best otc thing you can purchase in assisting PCT, in my opinion. Not to mention, it helps a lot with cortisol control!



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    Day 73 - 8/8/12

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    Workout: B1

    Laying Leg Curl - Warmup: 85lbs X 15. RP Set: 180lbs 9 + 5 + 3
    25 second static
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    Sitting Calf Raise - *Knee Recovery*

    Quad Extension *Knee Recovery*

    Preacher Curls - Warmup: 50lbs X 15. RP Set: 115lbs 9 + 5 + 3 *More REPS*
    8 second static
    30 second stretch

    Reverse Cable Curls - Warmup: 60lbs X 15.
    Working Set: 130lbs X 14, 130lbs X 14, 130lbs X 11 *More REPS*


    Quad Extension Widowmaker: *Not happening*
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    Laying Leg Curl - Warmup: 85lbs X 15. RP Set: 180lbs 9 + 5 + 3
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    Sitting Calf Raise - *Knee Recovery*

    Quad Extension *Knee Recovery*

    Preacher Curls - Warmup: 50lbs X 15. RP Set: 115lbs 9 + 5 + 3 *More REPS*
    8 second static
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    Reverse Cable Curls - Warmup: 60lbs X 15.
    Working Set: 130lbs X 14, 130lbs X 14, 130lbs X 11 *More REPS*


    Quad Extension Widowmaker: *Not happening*
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    DB Shoulder Press - Warmup: 30s X 15. RP Set: 65lb DBs 7 + 4 + 3 *More REPS*
    5 sec static
    60 sec stretch

    DB Bench - WU: 50s X 15. RP Set: 100lb DBs 12 + 5 + 4 *More REPS*
    8 second static
    60 second stretch w/ 70lb DBs

    CG Bench - WU: 30 per side X 12. RP: 1 plate + 40 per side 7 + 4 + 3 *More REPS*
    60 sec stretch

    Pull-ups: *No Time*

    Laying T-Bar Rows: WU: 1 plate X 15. RP Set: 3 plates + 25lbs 8 + 4 + 2 *More REPS*
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    Workout: Weak Aspects


    Incline BB Bench - WU: Bar X 15.
    Pyramid: 135 X 12
    185 X 8
    205 X 8
    225 X 7 *Woo hoo!*

    Incline DB Rear Delt
    Drop sets: 20s X 17, 15s X 10, 10s X 9

    Pec Fly Machine
    Pyramid: 130 X 15, 140 X 13, 150 X 8

    Lat Raise Machine - WU: 50lbs X 15. Working set: 100lbs X 18, 12, 11
    60 second static

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    Workout: B2

    Seated Calf Press - *Knee Recovery*

    Ham-Glute Extensions - WU: BW X 12. RP Set: BW + 40lbs 10 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    10 sec static
    60 sec stretch w/ 40lb DB

    Incline Leg Press - *Knee Recovery*

    Drag Curls - WU: 50lbs X 15. RP Set: 100lbs 9 + 5 + 4 *More REPS*

    One-Armed Reverse Cable Curls
    60lbs X 17
    60lbs X 14
    60lbs X 11
    *More Reps*


    Don't think that my drag curls are retrograding - I actually just slowed down the negative considerably, and therefore had less reps. Felt they were working my bis MUCH better than 2 weeks ago, so I'm happy.
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    Workout: Accessory/Random Day (Regular gym closed)


    Incline DB Bench - WU: 40s x 15. RP: 85lb DBs 10 + 5 + 4
    60 sec stretch w/ 70lb DBs

    Lateral Raises - WU: 15s X 15. Working set: 30s X 15, 12, 10

    Dips - BW X 20, 12, 10

    Lat Pulldowns - WU: 85s X 15. RP Set: 210lbs 8 + 5 + 3

    HS Row: 3pps 9 + 6 + 5
    12 sec static


    Had to go to a random gym today, and since it's hard to keep my log accurate on different machine, I decided to do a "whatever I'm feeling" day. Felt good...will make up A3 tomorrow.
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    Workout: A3


    HS Chest Press - WU: 1p + 25ps X 15. RP Set: 3 plates + 35ps 8 + 5 + 3 *More REPS*
    11 sec static
    60 sec stretch w/ 70lb DBs

    HS Shoulder Press - WU: 35 per side X 15. RP: 2p + 10ps 10 + 4 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    8 second static
    60 sec stretch

    Cable Overhead Tri Extensions - WU: 140lbs X 15. Working set: 210 X 19, 220 X 16, 230 X 15

    Rack Chins - WU: BW X 10. RP Set: BW + 60lbs 10 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    8 sec static
    60 sec stretch

    Seated Cable Row (V-Bar) - WU: 110lbs X 15. RP Set: 210lbs 9 + 5 + 3 *More WEIGHT*
    16 sec static
    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
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    Been away for a while back in the stands! On my way to the field. Started up Thursday. How's your weight looking?




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    Right around 205 still, been maintaining, but look leaner, so that's a good sign.


    Day 82 - 8/17/12

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    Workout: B3


    Seated Leg Curl - WU: 110lbs X 15. RP: 210lbs 11 + 6 + 4
    11 second static
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    Leg Press - *Knee Recovery*

    Calf Leg Press - *Knee Recovery*

    Wide-Grip Cable Curls - WU: 80lbs X 15. RP: 170lbs 10 + 4 + 4
    10 second static
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    Reverse Preacher Curls - WU: 30lbs X 15. Working Set: 60lbs X 18, 15, 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
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    Day 83 - 8/18/12

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    I regret to say that I didn't have my log book for this day. I did some reverse DB bench flys (hitting rear delts), along with some captain's chair stuff, and 21s. Had a very limited time before I had to head off to bartend for the evening, so it was a bit sporadic, but went well overall. Added forma today...interested to see how it works for me.
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    Day 84 - 8/19/12

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
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    And that's all folks That's the "end" of my cycle...a week from thursday I'll be starting clomid and will be reporting back with how that's going, but besides that, this has been my cycle. I'm going to take advantage of the 2 weeks while test clears my system to "cruise" on DC; essentially lighten the weight I'm lifting to help prevent injury (knees and delts for me). Thanks for tuning in folks!
    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
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    Looking forward to details on your PCT. What do you have planned for HCG? Will you do any blasts before you start Clomid or when will you discontinue?
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    I will be doing HCG 3X a week for the two weeks before starting clomid, and then will be stopping it as soon as I begin clomid (don't want suppression, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    I will be doing HCG 3X a week for the two weeks before starting clomid, and then will be stopping it as soon as I begin clomid (don't want suppression, of course).
    Not trying to beat a dead horse but have you read anything about doing a large dose of HCG after the cycle? say around 2500iu every 5 days until like 5 days before clomid?

    If the 250iu 2x week is meant to prevent total shutdown, wouldn't a large blast at the end of test jump start them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TallPaul

    Not trying to beat a dead horse but have you read anything about doing a large dose of HCG after the cycle? say around 2500iu every 5 days until like 5 days before clomid?

    If the 250iu 2x week is meant to prevent total shutdown, wouldn't a large blast at the end of test jump start them?
    When you dose HCG throughout the cycle (ie 250iu 2x week) that blast at the end is uncessary. It seems the prefered method is to span HCG out ove2r your cycle to avoid blasting.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Never liked the concept of a HCG blast after the cycle. Feel like that could threaten future LH sensitivity due to so much HCG at once. One other benefit to having it throughout the cycle is the lack of testicular atrophy. You wait until the end of your cycle and your balls will be raisins, but with injecting it twice a week and sending a pulse to your testicles, you can attempt to avoice testicular atrophy altogether, which I did this cycle. Boys remained the same size, and the girls I've regularly had sex with have had no idea that I'm on-cycle. "You seem a lot bigger!" "Yeah, I've started a new protein powder and some creatine." "Oh, okay, cool." *Boss Face*

    Just my reasoning, if you don't want to attempt to avoid atrophy, then go ahead and pulse at the end.

    Update:

    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
  

  
 

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