Deca100 n sus250 good mix??
- 05-02-2012, 09:55 AM
Deca100 n sus250 good mix??
Im just about to start a cycle of deca 100 and sus 250! They both r the same color (like a yellow color) I was told to inject 1ml of deca mixed with 1ml of sus twice aweek! I'm 80kgs with about 15% body fat! Wat u guys think? Ohh and how can I tell that it's real or not?? Thanks guys!
- 05-02-2012, 10:05 AM
05-02-2012, 09:40 PM
05-02-2012, 11:01 PM
05-02-2012, 11:18 PM
Na bro! I jumped on test prop like a year ago. I was gonna do the same but I thought I'd try something different n my mate told me to mix deca n sus and inject twice aweek. I'm not an expert wen it comes to this! Haha
05-02-2012, 11:26 PM
Since you're already familiar with prop, how about prop and npp? Npp is out of your system soo much faster, much less likelihood for sides.
05-03-2012, 12:20 AM
That would hav been a good idea but I hav already bought the gear. Should I just run them both n see how I go?!
05-03-2012, 02:10 PM
You're getting very little test with Sustanon. I look at Sustanon as a vial full of esters with a trace of testosterone. I'd rather take spinach than Sustanon. Deca is way over rated and without the proper dose of test, you're just asking for all kind of troubles. Your mate is a complete idiot and you can tell him I said that. But since you've got the gear, you need to take about 1.5grams of Sustanon a week and if you must take deca, might as well go for 400mgs a week. This is a horrible cycle.
05-03-2012, 03:44 PM
05-04-2012, 12:38 AM
Really appreciate the advice guys!! I did my first shot yesterday! 1ml (deca100) mixed with 1ml (sus250). Should I get some test prop n run that aswell?? N how much should I run?
05-04-2012, 08:47 AM
Lift heavy and eat lots of dead animals! Yes, that's me in my avatar.
05-04-2012, 09:58 AM
05-04-2012, 10:27 AM
There is plenty of test in sustanon but the various length esters make it necessary to inject more often to reach more stable blood levels. Even if it was all decanoate ester (which it isn't) you would have 63% test vs enanthate at 69%. So at least 157mg of actual test for 250mg of sust vs. 172mg test per 250mg of test enanthate.
So, if again simplifying to say sust is all decanoate ( which it isn't), or the longest ester; 550mg sust = ~ 500mg test enanthate.
You say someone would need 1.5 grams of sust? Thats over 1350mg of test enanthate.
Get your facts straight.
05-04-2012, 10:48 AM
05-04-2012, 02:41 PM
05-04-2012, 03:06 PM
30mg prop = 24mg test
60mg Phenylpropionate = 45mg test
60mg Isocaproate = 40mg test
100mg Decanoate = 60mg test
total test in 250mg sust = ~ 169mg
total test in 250mg enanthate = ~ 172mg
Not sure where you are coming from here.
05-04-2012, 05:42 PM
Test e is about 29% ester weight, so 71% test. That means that Test e at 250mgs is about 177.5 pure test. But, with the esters cleaving off with about a 10 day half life, you'll have about 80mgs of test cleaved off in a week. Now let me make this point up front. I do not believe esters cleave off as precisely as advertised. I firmly believe that they cleave off much faster, depending on the persons metabolism, place of injection and other factors, so for the purposes of this discussion, I'll go with the flow on ester cleavage.
Sustanon is a little more complicated.
Prop is about 20% ester weight, giving you 80% test. So as you said, that's 24mgs of pure test that declines rapidly after the second day.
60mg Phenylpropionate is 34% ester weight with 68% pure test, about 40mgs of pure test. Declines rapidly after the 2nd-3rd day.
60mgs of Isocaproate is 28% ester weight and 72% pure test, or about 43mgs of pure test 9 day half life, so about 16mgs a week.
100mg Decanoate 38% ester 62% pure test with a half life of 15 days. So in a week, you'd have cleaved off about 14mgs of test.
So in a 7 day period, with Sustanon you will get a surge on days one and two, 24mg + 40mgs+4.6mgs+4mgs=72.6mgs, then for days 3-7 you'll get 11.5+10=21.5
Comparing the two, with Test e you'll get a fairly even 80mgs per week.
With Sustanon, you get 72.6 mgs in two days, then drop off to 21.5 for the rest of the week.
If a guy injected 1.5grams of Sustanon, he'd actually get 363mgs of test the first 2-3 days then the levels would drop off dramatically to 107.5 the rest of the week.
If he injected 1.5grams of test e, he'd get a fairly even 400 per week.
So discounting the surge, you're comparing 400mgs of test e to 107.5mgs of sustanon.
05-04-2012, 06:00 PM
05-04-2012, 07:13 PM
I am saying there is basically just as much test in sust as enan but you have to inject more frequently. Sounds like you basically agree with me with your new explanation above and it now seems to me you were not actually advocating using 1.5g a week of Sustanon knowing that over time your levels are going to be way high.
I do not like Sustanon personally but if administered at about 150mg every 2 days you can achieve similar results as 500mg ew of enan/cyp and have a great cycle.
To the OP: you already have the gear so what I would do is run Sust at 150mg every 2 days and sell the Deca. IMHO
05-04-2012, 07:45 PM
05-04-2012, 08:26 PM
05-04-2012, 10:56 PM
I'm really appreciating the discussion boys!! Really helpful! I'll get test prop n run it with the deca/sus mix and see how I go! Wat should I expect in acouple of weeks? Strength gains? Sizes gains? Both?
05-04-2012, 11:22 PM
05-05-2012, 12:20 AM
05-05-2012, 01:06 AM
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