Androgens

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by GLHF
    anybody wanna post up some examples of these short burst cycles?

    my understanding is that an androgen phase overlaps into an estrogen suppresion phase than possibly hgh/slin than back to androgens..?
    1-4 test p /tren ace
    5,6,7 clomid/nolva
    7,8,9,10 insulin and or HGH
    10-14 test p/winstrol

    a constant overlap of compounds. sounds very interesting to me, but i need some examples. maybe some experienced members can chime in on what theyve used.
    I would advocate using slin on cycle. It's a storage hormone(I know you know this) but if using slin off cycle your going to add a lot of fat
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html


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  3. can somebody with experience chime in on this method?? i also read Building The Perfect Beast, and they outline a very similar approach as to this article.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by edje007
    This thread is interesting, but the statement that european bodybuilders use this kind of cycle is somewhat false.

    I'm from europe, holland, all the guys I know (and compete) cycle for long periods with test, plus a whole lot of other steroids.
    Agree with that poster. I'm from germany and to tell people that we use gear like this is simply not true. There are some freaky plans from the DDR or soviet Guys. No difference to the usage in the states. Only thing is that nobody wants to use peptides because its very hard to get good ones. (not every damn board sponsor sells good stuff, give your current peps to a labor to check it, your eyes will fall out)

  5. Quote Originally Posted by GLHF

    if u blast it at lets say 10iu eod and stack with insulin 2-3x/day id say u can come out of an androgen phase and still gain a few extra pounds while recovering.
    example:
    1-4 androgens
    4-7 PCT
    4-8 hgh + insulin
    9-13 androgens
    Hell no, try it, won't work.
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  6. peptides? that ****s a fukn waste.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    peptides? that ****s a fukn waste.
    Kind of like this cycle

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    thoughts on this cycle:

    Tri Tren dosed at 150mg/1ml. 225mg dosed EOD for 14days. 50prop/50hex/50enan
    Winstrol Depo 100mg EOD days 1-14, 150mg eod for day 15-28
    Test Prop 100mg EOD
    And FYI

    Growth hormone (GH) is a peptide hormone that stimulates growth, cell reproduction and regeneration in humans and other animals. Growth hormone is a 191-amino acid, single-chain polypeptide that is synthesized, stored, and secreted by somatotropic cells within the lateral wings of the anterior pituitary gland. Somatotropin (STH) refers to the growth hormone 1 produced naturally in animals, whereas the term somatropin refers to growth hormone produced by recombinant DNA technology,[1] and is abbreviated "HGH" in humans.

  8. Copy and paste?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    Copy and paste?
    Does that make it any less true?

  10. So wondering does David Dunn agree or disagree with theses methods?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post
    So wondering does David Dunn agree or disagree with theses methods?
    Does it matter?

    Everyone should take the info at face value and make their own decisions.

    I think he probably does support it otherwise he wouldn't perpetuate the knowledge by reposting it and wouldn't have quoted the exact comment from the article that he did in his second and only other post in this thread....

    Personally... i feel about this method like i feel about pulsing... i just think that constantly yoyoing the hormones back and forth over such a short timeframe has got to exert its own negative side effects not to mention really screw with your mood.

    Still has got me thinking about what i could do to somewhat mimic this plan using legal options just to give it a try....
    iForceHemavol=He-man?-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/187487-hemavol-heman-doughs.htmlCompound 20 Beta log-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/185396-molding-dough-compound.html

  12. Welcome back sourdough I missed ya lol.

    I am thinking the best legal option to mimic that would be trenazone and stanodrol. Could add epi too.
    Stano is more androgenic than anabolic, and epi is 100:1 anabolic to androgenic I believe.
    That'd be sick.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
    Welcome back sourdough I missed ya lol.

    I am thinking the best legal option to mimic that would be trenazone and stanodrol. Could add epi too.
    Stano is more androgenic than anabolic, and epi is 100:1 anabolic to androgenic I believe.
    That'd be sick.
    Thanks bro, good to be back for the next 6 months or so... maybe I'll try to hang out next summer, is just super tough with my work hours and a family as well.

    I was thinking of running epi as is for my next lil cycle... Just a 4 weeker this time... got a bottle of epistane and havoc here... but if i were to do this maybe I'd take epi 3 weeks with mtrn and then the break period and then havoc with the rest of the mtrn... i dunno...

    It's kind of confusing to figure out exactly what is suggested here considering nothing definitive is laid out.

    He mentions using aas for 14 days, stopping, using ai's and Clomid for 14 days then your ok.... yet later says the program is 7 weeks long?

    Is this meaning 2on, 2pct, 3break repeat?

    Anyone else able to get a more clear idea to exactly how this works?
    iForceHemavol=He-man?-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/187487-hemavol-heman-doughs.htmlCompound 20 Beta log-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/185396-molding-dough-compound.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    Thanks bro, good to be back for the next 6 months or so... maybe I'll try to hang out next summer, is just super tough with my work hours and a family as well.

    I was thinking of running epi as is for my next lil cycle... Just a 4 weeker this time... got a bottle of epistane and havoc here... but if i were to do this maybe I'd take epi 3 weeks with mtrn and then the break period and then havoc with the rest of the mtrn... i dunno...

    It's kind of confusing to figure out exactly what is suggested here considering nothing definitive is laid out.

    He mentions using aas for 14 days, stopping, using ai's and Clomid for 14 days then your ok.... yet later says the program is 7 weeks long?

    Is this meaning 2on, 2pct, 3break repeat?

    Anyone else able to get a more clear idea to exactly how this works?
    hmmm... so then if it is this plan for 2, 3 or 4 week cycle lengths then how does it differ from what the suggested norm of time on+pct = time off?

    I'm thinking I'm confused mostly cause of the lack of specific info... only idea i can gather from this is that he's against long ester forms of aas and 12-16 week cycles and compounds susceptible to aromatase and instead prefers shorter cycles with quicker recovery times and jumping back on cycle using mostly androgens and dry anabolics... pretty much what most oral only users do anyways...
    iForceHemavol=He-man?-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/187487-hemavol-heman-doughs.htmlCompound 20 Beta log-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/185396-molding-dough-compound.html

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough

    hmmm... so then if it is this plan for 2, 3 or 4 week cycle lengths then how does it differ from what the suggested norm of time on+pct = time off?

    I'm thinking I'm confused mostly cause of the lack of specific info... only idea i can gather from this is that he's against long ester forms of aas and 12-16 week cycles and compounds susceptible to aromatase and instead prefers shorter cycles with quicker recovery times and jumping back on cycle using mostly androgens and dry anabolics... pretty much what most oral only users do anyways...
    What I've gathered from this thread and the one I started
    Everyone needs to read! No test on cycle????

    because I didn't know this thread was here, is that no one with any experience on this forum has tried what he has laid out. Some agree some disagree but it seems fair to say that since this guy has used this technique with success along with many others and has many years of experience with aas, then it would be a safe bet that he has actually blood work to back up this kind of cycle and the advantages in doing it this way! Which is beyond the norm from what u read on this forum and many others.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post

    because I didn't know this thread was here, is that no one with any experience on this forum has tried what he has laid out. Some agree some disagree but it seems fair to say that since this guy has used this technique with success along with many others and has many years of experience with aas, then it would be a safe bet that he has actually blood work to back up this kind of cycle and the advantages in doing it this way! Which is beyond the norm from what u read on this forum and many others.
    IMO you´re assuming too much

  17. Bump. I am pretty sure I am about to run a short cycle like this. Look for my thread
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave
    Bump. I am pretty sure I am about to run a short cycle like this. Look for my thread
    ^^^^when? I'm interested!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow

    ^^^^when? I'm interested!
    Look at the thread I just started. Will most likely start in about a week.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  20. Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post
    What I've gathered from this thread and the one I started
    Everyone needs to read! No test on cycle????

    because I didn't know this thread was here, is that no one with any experience on this forum has tried what he has laid out. Some agree some disagree but it seems fair to say that since this guy has used this technique with success along with many others and has many years of experience with aas, then it would be a safe bet that he has actually blood work to back up this kind of cycle and the advantages in doing it this way! Which is beyond the norm from what u read on this forum and many others.
    Well, look at Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, which at one point advocated one heavy lift, once, no more than twice a month. He later revised it a bit, but he coached guys like Dorian Yates, who eventually had to modify the theory a bit. You don't need to experience HIT to know that it has some inherent flaws, even with some success stories. I think there is an element of validity to HIT and the article quoted by Dave Dunn, because extreme, almost fanatic, approaches often produce some interesting results.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Well, look at Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, which at one point advocated one heavy lift, once, no more than twice a month. He later revised it a bit, but he coached guys like Dorian Yates, who eventually had to modify the theory a bit. You don't need to experience HIT to know that it has some inherent flaws, even with some success stories. I think there is an element of validity to HIT and the article quoted by Dave Dunn, because extreme, almost fanatic, approaches often produce some interesting results.
    so your saying that short burst cycles are made and cordinated with training routines like DC?

    i was thinking about doing DC 4x/week, and cordinating it with blasts. example:
    blast 1-4 test/tren, training 1-4 DC 4x/week. than 5-8 lay off the juice, and perform straight sets only. than 9-13 repeat.

    my understanding is this was used by olympic weight lifters/wrestlers in off season.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    so your saying that short burst cycles are made and cordinated with training routines like DC?

    i was thinking about doing DC 4x/week, and cordinating it with blasts. example:
    blast 1-4 test/tren, training 1-4 DC 4x/week. than 5-8 lay off the juice, and perform straight sets only. than 9-13 repeat.

    my understanding is this was used by olympic weight lifters/wrestlers in off season.
    google "building the beast" and it will bring up some very interesting stuff regarding blast cruise cycles. It will answer your question and do it much better than I can typing it for you but in short yes cordinating your blasts with DC as well as priming for growth will bring fast maintainable results.

    Check out my thread man. I am about to start experimenting with this theory.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  23. Good read.
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