Test E vs P cycle length
- 04-20-2012, 02:05 AM
Test E vs P cycle length
So I'm debating between the two.
Test P at 500 for 6-8 weeks
Test E at 500 for 12-15 weeks
I'm leaning towards P as it will have less water retention, just want to make sure it's long enough. Also the results from E might be more easily retained as it is longer?
I have the ancillaries and SERMs. Solely want info regarding these two
- 04-20-2012, 03:20 AM
- 04-20-2012, 10:22 AM
04-20-2012, 02:52 PM
This will be my first injectable cycle. I've run 4 oral cycles.
I'm hoping to gain lean mass and stay fairly cut. I know test e causes more water retention and taking aromasin or another AI can't combat this.
Just wondering which will be better for staying lean. I assume that test p will have less retention and being a short ester that 6-8 weeks would be sufficient. Test e, being a long ester takes a few weeks to kick in so I was thinking 14 weeks.
I am leaning towards P as Patrick Arnold and others have mentioned that 10+ week cycles are more difficult to recover from with HPTA and such.
04-20-2012, 03:25 PM
04-20-2012, 03:55 PM
So id run prop 500/week. Do I still need AIs with it? Probably can't hurt to keep on hand.
I use clomid and torem for PCT.
04-20-2012, 05:34 PM
Also I really am tempted my tren. But since this is my first inject I probably should wait, right? Was thinking 75 EOD of Tren A. But I will probably wait for your guys recommendations.
I'd get caber if I ran it.
I'm tempted because I'd run trenazone which I know isn't tren, it's dien, but the strength/leaning and everything.
04-20-2012, 05:39 PM
You don't need to run prop so high. You can run it at 350mg/week and it'll be roughly equivalent to 500mg E. You must remember the propionate is smaller than the long enanthate esther, so the contribution of testosterone to the total weight of the compound is more for propionate than for enanthate; thus per mg, you get more testosterone from tProp than from tEnanthate. I don't know what factors are making you determine that you could only run prop for 6-8 weeks, but I'd run it for 10.
04-20-2012, 05:54 PM
Pat Arnold and a few cited numerous studies that 6-8 weeks is more than enough and longer just results in just more shutdown. People stay on longer because it feels good but diminishing gains occur around 7.Originally Posted by Torobestia
04-20-2012, 07:04 PM
04-20-2012, 07:28 PM
04-20-2012, 08:40 PM
04-20-2012, 08:47 PM
04-20-2012, 09:24 PM
here is the thread that I read. It's a few pages and there are some studies I believe in there. If not, I still trust PA for the most part as he is knowledgable and jbry is in there too
04-21-2012, 02:32 AM
Last thing, should instill run an AI while on prop? I'll be running 400/ week
And keep tren until next cycle after that?
04-21-2012, 11:15 AM
04-21-2012, 11:44 AM
04-21-2012, 12:28 PM
04-21-2012, 01:35 PM
Thanks for all the help as usual. I'll be running this in August but like to make sure I get everything squared away early. First inject cycle and want it to go well
04-21-2012, 01:37 PM
04-21-2012, 05:30 PM
04-21-2012, 05:42 PM
No u won't need too. Just see how the prop is treating u, if all is well u could throw something on the end.Originally Posted by jamesm11
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