Test 500/Anavar Cycle: Questions on Aromasin/HCG
04-17-2012 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by Swanson52
I was wondering this as well ^^
Seems I've created a storm here wigs lot of great discussion, but I still need to get the hcg protocol I want to us figured out...
04-17-2012 06:24 PM
It works better at the end of a cycle when androgen levels are high. I've had people come to me ****ty saying their var is bunk when they kickstarted a cycle because they didnt even notice it. Granted, if you're running 100mg ed, you're probably going to feel it regardless.
Originally Posted by wannabehulk69
04-17-2012 06:55 PM
right, back to the actual issues....
Originally Posted by wannabehulk69
var isnt too potent in itself, for this reason most ppl dont like starting with it. ive never heard anything bad about dbol, itll def kick things off for your. most ppl use var during a cycle or as a bridge cuz it helps you keep gains without suppressing recovery too much
if you cant get more hcg, id run 200iu every 4 days or so for as long as you can at the end of your cycle--prolly the last 5 or so weeks. it definitely wont be as effective as running it throughout but id worry about desensitizing by using too much at once. thats just me tho. im not sure what input other ppl will have
04-18-2012 01:52 PM
Well I guess I should mention that I have 5,000 iu of HCG on hand and can easily get more...
Can we go from there?
04-21-2012 04:12 PM
so you do have enough hcg to run it through the entire cycle haha.
run 200-250 iu every 3 to 4 days throughout the cycle. i wouldnt start it up until week 3 or so and then run it up to pct
04-21-2012 04:49 PM
Thanks man, I personally started my first cycle two weeks ago almost, 437.5 mg test e, D-Bol kick 35 mg, and plan on 250IU 2x's per week (week 4-9) and 500IU 2x's per week (10-11). Does that work as well? Should I just lower the 500 to 250IU for whole cycle so that one 5000IU vial can last more weeks?
Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
Also I planned on waiting till week 4 to start bc I figured that's when shutdown would really kick in, and also 6 weeks of 500IU/wk and 2 weeks of 1000IU/wk conveniently adds up to 5000.
Am I making it harder on myself to recover by not doing HCG first few weeks? Thanks brother
04-21-2012 04:57 PM
Me too I have a 5000IU still haven't mixed it, and currently on my first cycle so trying to figure this all out.
Originally Posted by wannabehulk69
I'm doing 11 weeks cycle Test E 437.5 mg / wk (almost done w week 2), and it adds up to 5000IU if I do:
HCG 250IU 2x's / wk (4-9)
HCG 500IU 2x's / wk (10-11)
I remember reading that it's better to do a little bit more HCG the last couple weeks / last 10 days or something before PCT, but don't have the source. If anyone has any confirming info I would be reassured and it would be appreciated!
04-21-2012 05:54 PM
i would stay at 250 twice a week. what really matters is how much hcg you use at one time so taking 100 iu every day is better than 500iu once a week. depending on how much hcg you have you could start a week after your first injections or even a couple weeks later. i wouldnt start later than the 3rd week tho. use bacteria static water because it helps the hcg last--how many days it lasts ranges from 30 to 80 but most hcg kits say it lasts in the fridge for 60 days if you use bacteria static water. becuase of the shelf life, using from week 2 to week 12 may seem like a stretch. older hcg may be less potent but it wont hurt you. you also dont want to assume it is less potent and increase the dose in the event that it didnt actualy lose its potency.
i would mix the hcg with more BW if possible. a pharmacist i talked to told me that increasing the amount of liquid can help the hcg last longer. i myself have not been able to find any research on this but i do it because 1) it cant hurt and 2) it helps me get a more exact dosage. (As an fyi, I doubt there are any good studies on using more liquid to make the hcg last because it isnt too important for the medical community. Legitimate users have steady access to hcg and dont need to worry about making 5,000ius last 12 or more weeks).
I usually mix about 3mls in a seal vial (you can get new ones or even use an empty hgh vial).
here is a really good step by step explanation of how to reconstitute your hcg
*one last thing...dont shake your hcg. when youre mixing it, dont shoot the water into the powder, let it gently run down the side of the vial so you dont rly mess with the hcg. this seems foolish because drawing hcg into a tiny opening like an insulin syringe exerts a lot of force on it...that said, i think its better to be safe than sorry so be gentle haha.
i have another article about in cycle hcg and pct...if anyone is interested just shoot me a message and make sure your mailbox isnt full otherwise i wont be able to respond
How to reconstitute HCG.
HCG usually comes as 5,000iu.
If you were to use 1ml to dilute this, you’d have 5,000iu/ml
If you were to use 2ml to dilute this, you’d have 2,500iu/ml
If you were to use 5ml to dilute this, you’d have 1,000iu/ml
HCG also comes as 2,500iu
If you were to use 1ml to dilute this, you’d have 2,500iu/ml
If you were to use 2 ml to dilute this, you’d have 1,250iu/ml
HCG also comes as 10,000iu
If you were to use 1ml to dilute, you’d have 10,000iu/ml
If you were to use 5ml to dilute, you’d have 2,000iu/ml
There are also 11,000iu batches
If you were to use 1ml to dilute, you’d have 11,000iu/ml
If you were to use 5ml to dilute, you’d have 2,200iu/ml
To find the iu/ml for a different number, take the total iu of HCG and divide by the number of ml you plan to dilute it with (for example, 5,000iu/2ml=2,500iu/ml)
The more you dilute it, the more accurate your dosage will be. For example, using 2,500iu/ml, if you were to inject 500iu there could be measuring error. Let’s say the margin of error is +/- .05cc. You could be injecting between 375iu and 625iu. Now, taking the 1,000iu/ml dosage, the +/-.05cc margin of error is lower (also using a dose of 500iu). The dose would be somewhere between 450iu and 550iu.
At 1,000iu/ml, .5cc is 500iu, .2cc is 200iu, and .25cc is 250iu.
At 2,200iu/ml, .5cc is 1,100iu, .2cc is 440iu, and .25 is 550iu.
To find the number of iu in any increment, take the iu/ml number and multiply it by the cc you want (for example, 1,000iu/ml*.5cc=500iu).
If you want to take a certain iu, divide the number of iu by the iu/ml to find out how many cc you need (for example, if you want 500iu and you have a dose at 2,000iu/ml, 500iu/2,000iu/ml=.25ml)
HCG should be stored in a refrigerator immediately after reconstitution. It can last about 4 weeks or so. Swirl it gently before injecting but handle it carefully. Letting HCG go to room temperature after it has been chilled can damage it. If this happens, it is safer to throw it away and start over. When reconstituting, the reconstitution liquid should not be directly shot at the HCG biscuit but rather run down the side of the vial. The HCG amp gets broken and diluted with a little water. Then you draw it out into a slin pin and shot the water down the side of the vial. Add more water if desired. It is best to used a new, sealed, sterile vial for reconstitution. HCG can be shot either in a muscle (IM) or subcutaneously (sub-q). It is more common to shoot HCG sub-q to avoid scar tissue in the muscle. HCG is typically shot with an insulin pin to minimize pain. A typical 25-30g pin with a .5cc barrel (or as small as you can get) is recommend (a smaller barrel minimizes the margin of error). A sub-q injection is typically done in the abdominal region by pinching a layer of fat and injection the HCG between the fat and muscle.
04-22-2012 11:20 AM
In addition to that ^^^^^^^, there are HCG kits online that give you EVERYTHING you need to mix up your batch (minus the HCG, of course). It's not expensive and really is quite simple.
04-24-2012 02:27 AM
Great advice guys, much appreciated once again. Yeah, I'm familiar with reconstituting with bacteriostatic water and proper procedure of mixing as I've done peptides in the past.
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