Test Ethanate for TRT(doctor ordered)

[jeffh3c]

Ok. I have't started the test E yet, but I am here for help. I hate the people who don't research just like the next guy. I have done some PH's in the past and I am not a newbie. That said, the real stuff IS new to me. Also I don't have alot of weeks, etc to research, as I will be starting this next week. Apparently my test is low (118) and the doctor will be starting me on Test Ethanate 1x/wk. I don't know the dosage, but I know he will be taking blood work after 1 month and adjust dose. They said they want to see at least 500. (me too, no wonder I am feeling the way I do).

1- I want to make sure my test is low next time I get blood drawn after the month. 500 doesnt seem all that great to me, and I understand that this will be my dosage for awhile as a TRT program. I would prefer it to read low and be in the 800 range or better.

2- I was transitioning to trying to do more cardio and was working on Stronglifts 5x5 and 3x5 program. Would those be reasonable while transitioning back to a higher test level? Should I increase volume to something else in particular?

3- I know the doctor is following this mainly for test levels, but I want to get as much out of this as I can. Would you run some (expired 2 yrs) PH's along with this or just run the test e.

To be clear, this is doctor ordered. I normally do research myself, but time is very short on this one and I am not current on today's PHs and never was "up" on the real gear. I appreciate the help. Not looking for hardcore gains - just glad to fianlly figure our why nothing seemed to work. I want to maximize the effectiveness of all of this positive and negative news.

I know everyne wants to see these partially to approve if someone should be on AAS. In my case, doctor says so so that's that; but here it is for pure interest sake.

Eating 1800-2300kcal
Age 35
BF% 32
Weight 204
Experience. 10-15 years, but never more than 2 years at a time. Most recently has been 1-3 w/o per week and 2 runs per week.
Diet: could be better, but I am working on it.

[ambulldog]

Ok. I have't started the test E yet, but I am here for help. I hate the people who don't research just like the next guy. I have done some PH's in the past and I am not a newbie. That said, the real stuff IS new to me. Also I don't have alot of weeks, etc to research, as I will be starting this next week. Apparently my test is low (118) and the doctor will be starting me on Test Ethanate 1x/wk. I don't know the dosage, but I know he will be taking blood work after 1 month and adjust dose. They said they want to see at least 500. (me too, no wonder I am feeling the way I do).

1- I want to make sure my test is low next time I get blood drawn after the month. 500 doesnt seem all that great to me, and I understand that this will be my dosage for awhile as a TRT program. I would prefer it to read low and be in the 800 range or better.

2- I was transitioning to trying to do more cardio and was working on Stronglifts 5x5 and 3x5 program. Would those be reasonable while transitioning back to a higher test level? Should I increase volume to something else in particular?

3- I know the doctor is following this mainly for test levels, but I want to get as much out of this as I can. Would you run some (expired 2 yrs) PH's along with this or just run the test e.

To be clear, this is doctor ordered. I normally do research myself, but time is very short on this one and I am not current on today's PHs and never was "up" on the real gear. I appreciate the help. Not looking for hardcore gains - just glad to fianlly figure our why nothing seemed to work. I want to maximize the effectiveness of all of this positive and negative news.

I know everyne wants to see these partially to approve if someone should be on AAS. In my case, doctor says so so that's that; but here it is for pure interest sake.

Eating 1800-2300kcal
Age 35
BF% 32
Weight 204
Experience. 10-15 years, but never more than 2 years at a time. Most recently has been 1-3 w/o per week and 2 runs per week.
Diet: could be better, but I am working on it.

1st off this should be in trt sub forum.

your main concern here should be getting you levels stablized first. you should not even be thinking of adding other stuff right now or fudging your #'s. theres ways around that later. its important to have a place, hormonally speaking, to return to(your new baseline) if and when you decide to start blasting or adding stuff. if you dont take the time now to get balanced out youll just be bouncing your hormones all over the place.

so my advice to you. take the 3-6-9 months or whatever it is to get stable hormone levels(not just test). after that if you want to play many of us here can give you advice on what to use so that your dr doesnt bust you.

also dont get so wrapped up in what your total test # is. you may feel great at 5-600 then again you may not but at least give it a try. will you feel any better at 800 as compared to 600? maybe maybe not. remember being on trt is not to make you feel like you are always on. it is to get your body hormonally balanced and within normal ranges so that we are like everyone else in that sense. you should feel better when you get going on trt but dont expect to feel invincible and god like the way you would pinning 600 or somg test/week. its also not a free pass to abuse gear just because you dont need to do a pct. being on test(trt) is a whole lot different than cycling test.

[jeffh3c]

I would say this sounds like good feedback, and I will go with that for now. I appreciate the good response and detail. I will update the post after I sstart this next week.
Thx.

[ambulldog]

I would say this sounds like good feedback, and I will go with that for now. I appreciate the good response and detail. I will update the post after I sstart this next week.
Thx.

just put it in the trt sub forum. not many guys in this forum will pay it much attention

[jeffh3c]

Trying to figure that out )moving it). Doesn;t seem to be a functionality for that/ Delete and respost?

Moved to http://anabolicminds.com/forum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=9 6

[bluerocket]

Ambulldog knows his stuff.... I also just started trt, had my first shot last week. He has answered all my questions and spent quite abit of time with me... and I thank him for that. Listen to what he recommends as he knows his stuff

[jeffh3c]

Ambulldog knows his stuff.... I also just started trt, had my first shot last week. He has answered all my questions and spent quite abit of time with me... and I thank him for that. Listen to what he recommends as he knows his stuff

I will, thanks for checking in!

[jeffh3c]

Lab results.

I did my own lab to doublecheck what is happening with my TRT. It seems that my test levels are where they should be already. Is this rather quick after 2 injections?? This is an afternoon lab and 5 days post injection. This was done fasting. My e2 also seems exceptionally high. I know this is up to me and my doc, but wouldnt I maybe feel better on a lower dose and some AI or would I be giving up too much T doing that (always easier to talk doc into lower vs higher dose of T in current political environment I think). Dose now is 200mg. So would I expect the 966 to continue to climb and be WAY to high by the end of the month when doc does "official" labs??

Labs numbers below, sort of. The pdf they sent me is secured so I cannot cut and paste. All numbers were "normal". Test number typed in below.

e2=91.8
FSH=.2 range 1.5-12.4
LH= <.2 range 1.7-8.6
Test(serum) 966

Metabolic pannel, all numbers pretty much smack dab in middle of range
CBC with differential. All numbers in range.

Need feedback on if I should cut my own dose here. I dont want to argue to get cut back, then just have to face an uphill battle to get more if I need it later. Really need some advice here. Should my test continue to increase (nuts are def shrinking) or level off here. Im great with this test level, but e2 is quite high. I dont want to drop to 100 with no AI just to get e2 "in range" then just have low test and high normal e2...

P.s. this post was moved once, but I think it should be in male anti age vs over 35. How do I move this or ask about moving it?

[MakaveliThaDon]

You need to get that E2 in check with an AI. Your test is good, but if you let that e2 keep going like that, your gonna feel just as bad as when your test was in the 100's, or even worse.

[jeffh3c]

You need to get that E2 in check with an AI. Your test is good, but if you let that e2 keep going like that, your gonna feel just as bad as when your test was in the 100's, or even worse.

Yea, I'm feeling it; I knew something wasn;t right from the way I went downhill.
Very foggy head yesterday(lab day) and my vision seemed blury, if that makes sense.

*But do I sched an appt or jsut wait 2 more weeks until I am supposed to go anyway?
*Also, like you said - test is good. Will it keep rising or is 2 weeks long enough to level off (normally)?

[MakaveliThaDon]

If your on test E, I would give it a full 4 weeks to see stable levels of what you are going to achieve off of that dose.

[jeffh3c]

If your on test E, I would give it a full 4 weeks to see stable levels of what you are going to achieve off of that dose.

So after 4 weeks T should be where it is going to be long(er) term on that dose is what I am understanding.

Would this apply to e2 as well. I know it is high now, but would it peak in the same time frame as T? I know it is already an issue, but i'm sure a stable (though bad) level will make it easiest to dose any AI's.

I owe you some reps... thanks for the advice!

[stankyleg]

What dosage do they have you on? I didnt see that. Sorry if I missed it

[jeffh3c]

200mg test ethanate in the glutes 1x/week. No AI, no HcG at present.
Labs

e2=91.8
FSH=.2 range 1.5-12.4
LH= <.2 range 1.7-8.6
test(serum) 966

Labs are 2 weeks in. Taken 5 days after last inj.

Odd that 200mg raised 116-->966 ng/dl after just 2 weeks...

[EasyEJL]

200mg test ethanate in the glutes 1x/week. No AI, no HcG at present.
Labs

e2=91.8
FSH=.2 range 1.5-12.4
LH= <.2 range 1.7-8.6
test(serum) 966

Labs are 2 weeks in. Taken 5 days after last inj.

Odd that 200mg raised 116-->966 ng/dl after just 2 weeks...

no, thats not odd at all. taken day after injection it would be in the 1400+ range. 200mg is too high for long term true TRT, even 150 is stretching it.

[MakaveliThaDon]

no, thats not odd at all. taken day after injection it would be in the 1400+ range. 200mg is too high for long term true TRT, even 150 is stretching it.

sure does feel good though

[jeffh3c]

no, thats not odd at all. taken day after injection it would be in the 1400+ range. 200mg is too high for long term true TRT, even 150 is stretching it.

Perhaps he is wanting to bring it up with a higher dose, due to low level, and keep it there with a lower one. Sometimes a few more minutes explaining things goes a long way!

MakaveliThaDon: It DID feel good for a few days, now I feel on par with previously or worse, just a bit more oily skin and blurry thought and vision. That's the e2 spike. I am regaining some muscle in gym (NORMAL progress again) is the only remaining +.

[EasyEJL]

Perhaps he is wanting to bring it up with a higher dose, due to low level, and keep it there with a lower one.

Except it doesn't work that way. You'd reach target levels in a month anyway, with less estrogen. No regular endocrinologist or urologist would normally prescribe like that, or at 200/wk

[jeffh3c]

Except it doesn't work that way. You'd reach target levels in a month anyway, with less estrogen. No regular endocrinologist or urologist would normally prescribe like that, or at 200/wk

hmmm... good to know. I am becoming a bit skeptical on his treatment on this. Still not going to monkey with my own dose and screw up stabilizing blood levels, but I think the people on this board know more than my doc does on this subject.

[MakaveliThaDon]

hmmm... good to know. I am becoming a bit skeptical on his treatment on this. Still not going to monkey with my own dose and screw up stabilizing blood levels, but I think the people on this board know more than my doc does on this subject.

generally speaking that IS usually true. Don't hesitate to do your own research like you are doing and print any relevant info/articles out and take them to your doc and show him. If he's open minded and willing to work with you, he will appreciate this and take a look at them.