Test Ethanate for TRT(doctor ordered)
- 07-29-2011, 10:15 PM
Test Ethanate for TRT(doctor ordered)
Ok. I have't started the test E yet, but I am here for help. I hate the people who don't research just like the next guy. I have done some PH's in the past and I am not a newbie. That said, the real stuff IS new to me. Also I don't have alot of weeks, etc to research, as I will be starting this next week. Apparently my test is low (118) and the doctor will be starting me on Test Ethanate 1x/wk. I don't know the dosage, but I know he will be taking blood work after 1 month and adjust dose. They said they want to see at least 500. (me too, no wonder I am feeling the way I do).
1- I want to make sure my test is low next time I get blood drawn after the month. 500 doesnt seem all that great to me, and I understand that this will be my dosage for awhile as a TRT program. I would prefer it to read low and be in the 800 range or better.
2- I was transitioning to trying to do more cardio and was working on Stronglifts 5x5 and 3x5 program. Would those be reasonable while transitioning back to a higher test level? Should I increase volume to something else in particular?
3- I know the doctor is following this mainly for test levels, but I want to get as much out of this as I can. Would you run some (expired 2 yrs) PH's along with this or just run the test e.
To be clear, this is doctor ordered. I normally do research myself, but time is very short on this one and I am not current on today's PHs and never was "up" on the real gear. I appreciate the help. Not looking for hardcore gains - just glad to fianlly figure our why nothing seemed to work. I want to maximize the effectiveness of all of this positive and negative news.
I know everyne wants to see these partially to approve if someone should be on AAS. In my case, doctor says so so that's that; but here it is for pure interest sake.
Experience. 10-15 years, but never more than 2 years at a time. Most recently has been 1-3 w/o per week and 2 runs per week.
Diet: could be better, but I am working on it.
- 07-29-2011, 10:40 PM
your main concern here should be getting you levels stablized first. you should not even be thinking of adding other stuff right now or fudging your #'s. theres ways around that later. its important to have a place, hormonally speaking, to return to(your new baseline) if and when you decide to start blasting or adding stuff. if you dont take the time now to get balanced out youll just be bouncing your hormones all over the place.
so my advice to you. take the 3-6-9 months or whatever it is to get stable hormone levels(not just test). after that if you want to play many of us here can give you advice on what to use so that your dr doesnt bust you.
also dont get so wrapped up in what your total test # is. you may feel great at 5-600 then again you may not but at least give it a try. will you feel any better at 800 as compared to 600? maybe maybe not. remember being on trt is not to make you feel like you are always on. it is to get your body hormonally balanced and within normal ranges so that we are like everyone else in that sense. you should feel better when you get going on trt but dont expect to feel invincible and god like the way you would pinning 600 or somg test/week. its also not a free pass to abuse gear just because you dont need to do a pct. being on test(trt) is a whole lot different than cycling test.
07-29-2011, 11:27 PM
I would say this sounds like good feedback, and I will go with that for now. I appreciate the good response and detail. I will update the post after I sstart this next week.
07-29-2011, 11:28 PM
07-29-2011, 11:33 PM
07-30-2011, 12:19 AM
Ambulldog knows his stuff.... I also just started trt, had my first shot last week. He has answered all my questions and spent quite abit of time with me... and I thank him for that. Listen to what he recommends as he knows his stuff
07-30-2011, 06:42 AM
08-13-2011, 12:04 PM
I did my own lab to doublecheck what is happening with my TRT. It seems that my test levels are where they should be already. Is this rather quick after 2 injections?? This is an afternoon lab and 5 days post injection. This was done fasting. My e2 also seems exceptionally high. I know this is up to me and my doc, but wouldnt I maybe feel better on a lower dose and some AI or would I be giving up too much T doing that (always easier to talk doc into lower vs higher dose of T in current political environment I think). Dose now is 200mg. So would I expect the 966 to continue to climb and be WAY to high by the end of the month when doc does "official" labs??
Labs numbers below, sort of. The pdf they sent me is secured so I cannot cut and paste. All numbers were "normal". Test number typed in below.
FSH=.2 range 1.5-12.4
LH= <.2 range 1.7-8.6
Metabolic pannel, all numbers pretty much smack dab in middle of range
CBC with differential. All numbers in range.
Need feedback on if I should cut my own dose here. I dont want to argue to get cut back, then just have to face an uphill battle to get more if I need it later. Really need some advice here. Should my test continue to increase (nuts are def shrinking) or level off here. Im great with this test level, but e2 is quite high. I dont want to drop to 100 with no AI just to get e2 "in range" then just have low test and high normal e2...
P.s. this post was moved once, but I think it should be in male anti age vs over 35. How do I move this or ask about moving it?
08-13-2011, 12:13 PM
You need to get that E2 in check with an AI. Your test is good, but if you let that e2 keep going like that, your gonna feel just as bad as when your test was in the 100's, or even worse.
08-13-2011, 01:14 PM
Very foggy head yesterday(lab day) and my vision seemed blury, if that makes sense.
*But do I sched an appt or jsut wait 2 more weeks until I am supposed to go anyway?
*Also, like you said - test is good. Will it keep rising or is 2 weeks long enough to level off (normally)?
08-13-2011, 01:41 PM
If your on test E, I would give it a full 4 weeks to see stable levels of what you are going to achieve off of that dose.
08-13-2011, 01:51 PM
Would this apply to e2 as well. I know it is high now, but would it peak in the same time frame as T? I know it is already an issue, but i'm sure a stable (though bad) level will make it easiest to dose any AI's.
I owe you some reps... thanks for the advice!
08-13-2011, 02:51 PM
08-13-2011, 03:05 PM
200mg test ethanate in the glutes 1x/week. No AI, no HcG at present.
FSH=.2 range 1.5-12.4
LH= <.2 range 1.7-8.6
Labs are 2 weeks in. Taken 5 days after last inj.
Odd that 200mg raised 116-->966 ng/dl after just 2 weeks...
08-13-2011, 03:55 PM
08-13-2011, 04:30 PM
08-13-2011, 04:35 PM
MakaveliThaDon: It DID feel good for a few days, now I feel on par with previously or worse, just a bit more oily skin and blurry thought and vision. That's the e2 spike. I am regaining some muscle in gym (NORMAL progress again) is the only remaining +.
08-13-2011, 06:51 PM
Except it doesn't work that way. You'd reach target levels in a month anyway, with less estrogen. No regular endocrinologist or urologist would normally prescribe like that, or at 200/wkOriginally Posted by jeffh3c
08-13-2011, 07:18 PM
08-13-2011, 07:28 PM
08-13-2011, 07:44 PM
And 200mg isn't necessarily bad for you, but it very much puts you over top of normal for an 18 year old. Your estrogen levels may stabilize or they may not. Is suggest lowering the dose before going to arimidex or aromasin as this treatment is for the rest of your life.
08-13-2011, 08:42 PM
08-13-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm on 200mg a week of test cyp. I'm gonna cut my dose back to 100mg a week before my labs to see how it looks. From the way I feel 200 is good but maybe to good. Then I will just save the rest for when I blast.
08-13-2011, 10:48 PM
08-14-2011, 01:40 AM
08-14-2011, 06:07 AM
My doctor changed my dose last time around. I'm doing 40mg every third day ( e3d ) very stable blood level and I'm at 700ng/dl. I always request a copy of my blood work, I like to check things for myself.
08-14-2011, 10:28 PM
I've decided to call the doc tomorrow on the sides. Having very foggy thought and somewhat blurred vision. I cannot concentrate! I may actually have to call in to my job (danger factor for not being 100%)
Is there an article (scholarly article) that a physician would take heed of on E2? Not going to print a sticky off here. I DEFINATELY respect those, but I know he will discount it if not from an "official" medical source. If he calls me in for labs (likely) they will probably be sky high as I inject tomorow. This may cause more trouble when he lowers my dose and I go lower than I was before TRT.... feeling in a bad spot here.
I have formestane/Formex(IBE) at the house. I am sure those would alleviate E2 sides and probably let me work, but I dont want to screw up labs and screw up the long term stabilit.
08-15-2011, 10:18 AM
Feeling like a dumb-ass now. Took my shot then just called doc office to advise of sides. He'll prob pull thew shots and I will bottom out on T and feel like **** on the OTHER spectrum. Awaiting a call back. Other possibility is he has be come in, but then my T will or course be high as I just took the shot at 9am!! Then instead of cutting me slightly (if needed) he chops it significantly and my T gets very low....crap again. Not seeing a positive out of the call I made.
08-16-2011, 07:59 AM
08-16-2011, 09:58 AM
Without going into too much detail, doc thinks the low T, the memory and foggy head issues, and visual blurriness may be something else entirely. Going in to office today or tomorrow. Just saw this AM where Zocor has side effects on your thought processes in some instances, so I am really hoping these are sides from the Test E, or the Zocor, though they think it could be more of an issue than that. Will post when i know more....
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