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    When did you make the jump from PHs/DS to more conventionable AAS


    I done lots of research over the years on various oral and transdermal OTC PHs/DS and have myself a decent sized stash (multiple HD, SD, Pmag, Bola, 1androrx, etc) of many possible future cycles. But I have recently been doing a lot of research on what I will refer to as AAS, injectables, and other long banned compounds/products. I want to do your basic 12 weeks test e, with dbol kick start and aromsin (SP) with some HCG. But wont be able to do that until minimum a year (next summer).

    I recognize that many PHs/DS are already infact steriods, thats not the issue, the issue is people getting there best results with longer, injection based cycles.

    I was just generally wondering at what age people moved on from PHs/DS to the 'dark-side' of 'old school' AAS.

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    whats up bro, to be honest, ive never done any injectables but if you have access to them i would forsure do injectables rather then orals due to the fact the orals are more liver toxic. I believe most people do ph/ds due to the fact that they cant get a hold of gear. i dont think there is a age to jump from ph to injectables. but of course over 21 for any anabolics
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    Personally I think even 21 is still too young
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Personally I think even 21 is still too young
    YES, 21 is young. most 21's and up starts anabolics tho.but i believe 25 at least is a good age.
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    At 26 when I got reliable sources and was able to make my own gear for pennies, literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    At 26 when I got reliable sources and was able to make my own gear for pennies, literally.
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    I think I started when I was 26. I'm 29 in a couple of weeks.
    One of the best decisions I have ever made. Haha.

    Anyways, I never messed around with OTC supps (SuperDrol and all that mess). I jumped straight to the pin. That's how I dooz itz....
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    Thanks for the replies, interesting to see diff people answers. Think I will wait till I am at least in my mid 20s.
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    I waited till I was 30.
    Avail of good gear sources played a big part too.

    Allthough I did do the normal ph cycles none of them can compare to what Real test could do.
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    Injectable aas results > ph/ds results
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    Quote Originally Posted by PILEGGI78563 View Post
    I waited till I was 30.
    Avail of good gear sources played a big part too.

    Allthough I did do the normal ph cycles none of them can compare to what Real test could do.
    finally, I have been saying forever, even a moderate dosed test only cycle will be better gains than any prohormone, yes even superdrol, maybe just due to being able to run test longer, but still the gains are better. I cant stand the ph crowd thinking test is not very powerfull and just something to take to help with lethargy.

    that being said, I have no problem with oral prohormones, some are very effective, or can be very mild on sides, but to say they are better than test drives me nuts.

    thanks again!
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    I was 26 and it was more of me knowing I finally had a good foundation to work with. Best decision I've made for my body and I'll be back on in a month or so
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    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
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    im looking to make the jump to the dark side, i just cant find a source, that being said i think anyone who hasnt used injectable AAS just hasn't found a reliable source
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    I didn't touch a PH (Epi-Strong bridged into H-Drol) until I was 25 and a half. I started lifting when I was 13 for football and the following year is when I started seriously lifting - so 11 years of experience before I bothered with that and even then, I could have kept going without.
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    25yrs old at the least
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    Has anyone ever tried to go to their doctor in order to get a private prescription for test e? I have heard of a couple of people who have done that successfully here in germany. You can then get your gear legally in the pharmacy and its definitely quality stuff, was thinking of trying this route sometime this winter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBSNW1 View Post
    Has anyone ever tried to go to their doctor in order to get a private prescription for test e? I have heard of a couple of people who have done that successfully here in germany. You can then get your gear legally in the pharmacy and its definitely quality stuff, was thinking of trying this route sometime this winter...
    lol, not unless you happen to find a "bro doctor" I can't see too many docs willing to put their license on the line like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    lol, not unless you happen to find a "bro doctor" I can't see too many docs willing to put their license on the line like that
    I understand what you are saying, but apparently it works quite well with some doctors if you tell them that you have your mind set on it and that the whole thing will be much more safe with pharmaceutical grade gear and accompaniment / support of the doc. I was also talking about a private prescription, meaning that your health insurance won't be asking any questions because you pay for everything yourself.
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    I lived in germany, and from what I read a few yrs ago, doctors dont have too much problems doing this
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    I tried my first prohormone at 21. Once i got ahold of real aas i was much happier with the results . only problem is being able to find a source for injectables .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    I lived in germany, and from what I read a few yrs ago, doctors dont have too much problems doing this
    TRT is common all over the world. If you see a TRT doctor or urologist you can probably justify a script, especially if he's pro AAS and you can provide a blood sample with depressed test levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBSNW1 View Post
    I understand what you are saying, but apparently it works quite well with some doctors if you tell them that you have your mind set on it and that the whole thing will be much more safe with pharmaceutical grade gear and accompaniment / support of the doc. I was also talking about a private prescription, meaning that your health insurance won't be asking any questions because you pay for everything yourself.
    If you have a valid prescription from your doctor, your insurance will not question it.

    To the original poster. Never before 25 because of the possibility of early closure of the growth plates. Some men still get growth spurts after 21.
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    what switch? you mean there is another kind of androgenic/anabolic hormones? are you talking about sarms?
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    so if you inject test a for 6 weeks and gain 15lbs, it will be different than if you ran epistane for 6 weeks and gained 15lbs?

    i'd like someone to please explain this to me from a data based perspective.
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    The only benefit I see is being able to run.3-4 months cycle. That said, I never was impressed.by test. I see.it as a base and for other properties besides weight gain.

    that said I use aas only for curting these days, so whatt ibuse greatly depends on how the aas interacts. Personally SD does/did a great job so far better than winstrol...

    Still dont understand how some ppl gaim 20+ from.test....
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    next time I will diet with dbol. Imo bulkin drugs worl.better at maintaining muscle during.cuts. Thee only time id use winstrol.and anavar etc is if I planned to compete...
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    Its funny that people don't realize with long ester compounds, you are only really "on" for 6-8 weeks, and the time beyond that is just increasing sides, like hpta suppression. Can't count the first 3-4 weeks on long ester compounds, cycle doesn't start until you reach supraphysiological levels, well, unless you kick start with something like dbol or sdrol, but then still after 6-8 weeks is it, the next 2-4 weeks is just suppressing the hpta. And risking more sides.
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    as much as i value your knowledge jbryand, this is not entirely correct. supraphysiological doses even on long esters are achieved within days, sometimes hours.
    granted, steady peak values take several weeks, but effective levels of androgens are achieved much faster.
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    Designers are a good into to the world of anabolics, but injectables are a whole different creature. It gives me a different kind of aggression, more potent and alpha male quality. Test gives me good clean energy, even helps when sleep deprived. Designers never did that for me.

    started designers at 21, now I'm all about the injectables. And if you're smart with home brewing, injectables are cheaper then designers. $120 for 100g test powder, enough to run 500mg of test for 4 years straight and only cost $0.60 a week + cost of brewing supplies (~$30)

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    Oddly enough the strongest TREN.is one if the easiest to make from my reading lmfao
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    Designers are a good into to the world of anabolics, but injectables are a whole different creature. It gives me a different kind of aggression, more potent and alpha male quality. Test gives me good clean energy, even helps when sleep deprived. Designers never did that for me.

    started designers at 21, now I'm all about the injectables. And if you're smart with home brewing, injectables are cheaper then designers. $120 for 100g test powder, enough to run 500mg of test for 4 years straight and only cost $0.60 a week + cost of brewing supplies (~$30)

    (I don't regret starting at 21, I'm a lifetime user now)
    I put myself on hrt at 19

    do not regret it in the slightest
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    Yeah lolll I might do that after this cycle.

    In theory just ****ty.pct sleep and hunger
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    Age is a huge factor, but one's lifestyle is key. Some tools want to do the whole PH thing and do drugs and drink alcohol while cycling. I know people that pin test and drink everynight which leads to no gains. Others choose to stack bottles of PHs and end up with liver disease by 30. Aside from 1AD, I think prohormones are dangerous. People think that they are safer for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrob05 View Post
    Age is a huge factor, but one's lifestyle is key. Some tools want to do the whole PH thing and do drugs and drink alcohol while cycling. I know people that pin test and drink everynight which leads to no gains. Others choose to stack bottles of PHs and end up with liver disease by 30. Aside from 1AD, I think prohormones are dangerous. People think that they are safer for some reason.
    sad thing is you probably just made this up, because in few cases is it actually true. Of course there have been cases of damaged lives from oral steroids/prohormones, but it is a lot rarer than you would think. The biggest guys I know all go out and get skulled every weekend, including me hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Yeah lolll I might do that after this cycle.

    In theory just ****ty.pct sleep and hunger
    ever since I've actually been able to enjoy life while looking amazing. Ie, I dont have to be anal about my diet, I drink, smoke, ect, get smashed at least once a week, and still maintain my obviosuly enhanced physique(my dose is 250mg a week while crusing).

    The only thing that scares me is going abroad, I'm half french so go there every year to see my family, and luckily I can just take the ferry.

    jasen what do you mean Hunger?? I'm never hungry anymore, ever feelsjohnbadman
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