Test Prop......Injection site soreness questions
- 06-24-2011, 10:16 PM
Test Prop......Injection site soreness questions
I've ran several compounds, test e, tren, eq, masteron, winstrol.....never a prop though....I got I guess you can say prop flu for 2 days. Weak as hell, tired, exhausted, could barely do anything. Then woke up the third day and fine. Also, extreme soreness at the injection spot area. I always have used my leg as an injection site and ****ing hell I can barely walk! It's been almost a week, and I have read up this can last anywhere from a week to 3 weeks. I have heard some people say that the injection soreness is less if you inject ed instead of eod; was wondering what your guy's experience was with that.
I am currently running:
Test Prop 100mg/eod
I am thinking about pushing it to like 125mg eod.
What was your experiences with soreness at the injection sites? Would injecting a lesser amount ed decrease the soreness? And besides doing things like warming up the oil and massaging the injection site; is there anything else I can do?
- 06-24-2011, 11:09 PM
Depends on what brand your using, some brands hurt and some or painless. Less volume is less pain for example inject 3cc and it hurts for a while but inject 1cc or less and its pain free but that's on a specific brand.
Your results may very and 100 eod breaks me out. :/
06-24-2011, 11:20 PM
Don't understand how ED would be less pain then EOD, really doesn't make sense. I think you're thinking about side effects with tren and injecting ED vs EOD. Anyway, prop is one of the more painful esters to inject so the pain is normal.
Cutting all summer, cycle in September
06-24-2011, 11:44 PM
06-25-2011, 05:04 PM
dont listen to all the B.S. crap out there about the ba content, the brands and all the sh*t.
I make my own gear, and I'v been on prop 100mg/ml ED since january. It always will hurt like at first. I remember it being so painful that I could barely bend my leg. You body gets used to it.
Propionic acid itself it actually very irritating, its the same acid in bee venom, but this isn't necessarily the reason why its painful 3-5 days later.
HERE IS THE TRUE REASON:
The test powder with ester attached is dissolved into a solution (grapeseed or cottonseed oil with ba/bb). Benzyl alcohol is just a preservant, benzyl benzoate is a solvant that helps dissolve the prop powder into the oil. The higher the mg/ml amount (potency) the MORE benzyl benzoate is needed to dissolve the product. So you have 100mg/ml mixture that looks homogenous and dissolved, and you inject it into your leg.
You warm you leg up, you do a special rain dance, you try a massage, heating pad, all the stupid bullsh*t brologic and the pain kicks in so bad the next day with a fever.
Whats happening? The solvent/carrier (ba/bb/grapeseed) is getting absorbed quickly leaving behind trace amounts of prop crystals in your muscle and these are very irritating. Until you body gets used to it, 100mg/ml is always going to hurt.
The ONLY SUREFIRE WAY to cut the pain down is to DILUTE the prop with MORE F*CKING carrier. AKA add in more grapeseed oil to your syringe to CUT the mixture down to 70mg/ml or even 50mg/ml and it will be PAIN FREE 100% promise you. Itss NOT the BA, its NOT the BB, and its not the brand. Its the fact that its exceeding its soluability once it hits your muscle.!!!! AKA its crashing in your muscle tissue
Good luck bro! I'm telling you, cut it down to 50mg/ml, inject twice as much, and slowly decrease the amount you cut with until you are back up to 100mg/ml and you'll be just fine.
06-25-2011, 05:10 PM
Its much better to go 100mg/ML ED than try to do 200mg/2ML EOD. I have no pain at 100mg/1ML but the amount that crashes at 200mg/2ML is twice the amount in that spot, muscle can't handle that much at once and pain sets in.
The only way to get around this pain and go EOD at say 200mg dosage, would be to cut the gear down to 50mg/ml and inject 4ML EOD. This would have the EXACT same pain affect as 1 100mg/ml shot, except it would deliver 200mg. The downside of course, is having to inject 4ML of solution each time.
06-25-2011, 05:17 PM
additionally, if a brand is "painless" compared to another...chances are one or both are lying on the potancy Manipulating BB/BA is not going to change the pain factor much. Making weaker prop at 70mg/ml makes a huge difference.
After all guys, theres a reason why HUMAN GRADE prop is painless. Because its only produced at 50mg/ml.
There is only one way around the pain without dropping the potancy, and thats using Ethyl Oleate, which is a solvant/carrier that does not release as quickly, holding the product stable in your muscle for longer duration, but..you can't go much higher than 70mg/ML, even with EO and still expect painless prop.
06-25-2011, 05:26 PM
Takes me like 2 weeks to get use to the soreness. It's not bad but sometimes but I kinds limp and hobble around for a little while when I start
06-25-2011, 09:19 PM
06-26-2011, 08:12 PM
06-26-2011, 09:18 PM
i felt a bit more sting but NOt as bad as your saying. is it a UGL gear?
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06-26-2011, 11:20 PM
Using 200mg EOD prop, same thing as everyone else is saying. It hurt for a while, even hard to move my leg. I moved my injection site to glutes, helped but still some pain. However, pain free now, just give it time.
06-27-2011, 02:27 PM
06-27-2011, 03:00 PM
Because you make your own is not a justification that different brands gear is more or less pain. Maybe its different for everyone but ganza prop is painless compared to ug. Go with ganza next time and see for yourself.
Sorry I'm typing from cell
06-27-2011, 03:09 PM
Its laws of chemistry man. If one brand is less painful than another it has to do with their mixture. Unless one or both of them are not using pure test-prop.
If brand A uses Prop at 100mg/ml - using 20%bb and 2%ba, in grapeseed oil
Bran B uses Prop at 100mg/ml - using 20%bb and 2%ba, in Ethyl Oleate
Brand B will be less painful because the ethyl oleaste is stronger solvent than grapeseed and releases the ester at a slower rate, IE resistance to crashing. Crashing is where the pain comes from, NOT BA content
If brand B decides to make a batch thats 150mg/ML, even with 20%bb and 2%ba and ethyl oleate, you are going to feel tons of pain. The true soluability of Testosteron-Propionate with human grade solvents it 50mg/ml, anything over that causes a slight amount of crashing. This is why VERY FEW HUMAN LABS make over 50mg/ml.
So yes, making your own gear and understanding the chemistry is CERTAINLY a justification for why brands would cause more or less pain than other. Obviously, I do not know why one brand is more painful than the other directly, but I can assure you the problem with the pain is CRASHING. And any gear thats painful will be solved by cutting it with grapeseed oil!!!!!!!!!!!!
06-27-2011, 03:14 PM
No I understand what you are saying that's fine all I'm saying is the brand he has sucks and he should use ganza next time.
Why pay for product then have to buy more stuff to cut it? I cut with deca last time I had ****ty ug gear now its ganza or natural supplements only.
06-27-2011, 04:49 PM
06-27-2011, 04:56 PM
01-26-2012, 06:35 AM
Test Prop dbol anavar
Ive been on this cycle for about a week. Getting ready for football camp and off season training, Is this a good enough cycle to drop me from 265-270 to about 230-240.
02-02-2012, 07:08 PM
just finished a 10 week course of test prop and primobolin it was my 1st course found injection site very sore for the first 2 injections in each site i done glute glute shoulder and shoulder so i had 3 injections done before i came back to the same site again also theres a jucuzzi in my gym found getting into that and stretching the muscles around the site that was sore did help, also it will get much easier as your body gets used to it
02-04-2012, 10:23 PM
02-07-2012, 07:09 PM
hey big boy d that was my 1st course so i dont have anything to compare it to im a short guy so could not afford to put up any extra water weight and this course done exactly that. took about 2 and a half weeks to kick in, before i done the course i was 84kg muscular phisique but carrying some bodyfat,i weighted weekly and lost quite alot of bodyfat by week 5 i weighted 85.5kg not much weight gain but i was hard as a rock and given that i had lost bodyfat i was very happy i finished week 10 at 87kg this was the heaviest i weighted probably 86.5kg more correct but looked realy good and soild,im off 4 weeks now took hcg 600iu followed by 300iu eod for 2 weeks then on to clom 50mg ed held onto alot of muscle weighted 85kg yesterday prob lost 2kg of bodyfat during the course so i think prob added 3kg of good weight from this course hope this was of some help to you let me know how your course gos best of luck v69
04-02-2012, 03:25 PM
This thread is a bit old so I hope somebody will chime in. Where do you get the sterile grapeseed oil or whatever else you can use to cut the prop to 50mg/ml??
I'm doing 600mg a week of Test E split over two injections per week, with a three week EOD Test Prop kicker. My prop is 100mg / ml and my Test E is 300mg / ml. This is my first cycle with "real" gear and holy **** its kicking my ass.
I almost can't get out of bed in the morning! Its been ****ing painful. My wife told me to man up and not let my vagina get in the way of my cycle, lol. I would like to order something to cut my injections with, although by the time it gets here my muscles will probably be getting more used to it.
What I don't understand is how do your muscles "get used" to whatever is causing the pain? Also, is there any reason not to just push through the pain when working out? I mean, its not like a pulled muscle that is going to get injured worse if you push it too hard I am assuming, right?
"Discipline is just choosing between what you want NOW and what you want MOST."
04-02-2012, 09:10 PM
04-04-2012, 04:39 PM
my muscle soreness was so bad in the beginning that i couldnt even think of pushing through the pain i missed quite a few days training in the beginning of my cycle dont think it would be a good idea to push through the pain if the muscles are sore and tight near the site might end up with an injury as i said earlier in this post for me it was rotate the site shoulder glute shoulder glute to give the site a chance to loosen out also jacuzzi and stretching out in the jacuzzi helped me do you mix the enanthate and prop in the same shot?
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