Summer Lean Bulk..Test, Mast, Tbol
- 04-18-2011, 10:55 PM
Summer Lean Bulk..Test, Mast, Tbol
Hey guys im looking to run a cycle that gonna give me dry, lean gains and really good strength gains. I been doin a far bit of research lately and have kinda fell on:
125 mg EOD / Test Prop wk 1-12
125 mg EOD / Masteron wk 1-12
40-60mg Tbol/ ED wk 1-4
Previous cycles: Sust and dbol (yea this is my second cycle)
I would really like to put on 15 to 20lbs on lean muscle. Gonna diet not on the typical low carb side but a clean high carb/low fat diet with mild cardio. I want to stay away from tren cause Im not ready for that nor do I need something so powerful. I'll draw up a full Pct/HcG after I settle on the cycle I choose. Any input on these compounds or maybe a better cycle would be awsome!!
- 04-19-2011, 12:47 AM
15 to 20 lbs of lean muscle is shooting pretty high man. Realistically that would take a couple years. Your oil dosages are fine. I'd drop the mast to 100mg EOD, no need for the extra 75mg...especially for that long of a run. Personal opinion of course, but I'm one of the more conservative ones on this board.
Also, don't buy into the "tbol is just like dbol without the water retention", because it isn't. I ran tbol at 50mg for 6 weeks and just wasn't impressed. Not saying that I won't run it again because it does have its perks, but it just doesn't give you that "kick" you would be looking for as a front loader.
- 04-19-2011, 01:08 AM
04-19-2011, 01:16 AM
Thanks CCV3.. Always aim high for my goals i guess.. I've heard mixed reviews about Tbol but i guess everyone has different results and reactions. I took dbol at 40mg for 4 weeks and got a fair bit of water "weight" but if i would take it again i'd definitely run Adex to try to keep some of the bloat off. Ultimately that what im tryin to avoid but hell im always open to new ideas. If not Tbol what would be your frontloader of choice?? Anybody else have experience with Tbol.
04-19-2011, 02:39 AM
Ya, some people love Tbol. I don't get it. Most of the good comments I've seen are people running it at 80mg-100mg though. Personally, it just doesn't give me that pump.
04-19-2011, 10:13 AM
04-19-2011, 07:28 PM
04-20-2011, 01:51 AM
People throw weight around really lightly. 15 lbs of pure lean muscle is not easy to come by. Imagine going to the store and buying 15 pounds of steak. Then slap it on your body. Can you achieve that in a year? I sure can't. If I get half that, of pure muscle while maintaining the same bf percentage in a year, it's been a good year...
04-20-2011, 12:33 PM
Cycle looks good. You could even get away with adding some Clen or T3 or better yet BOTH into your cutting cycle. These will only enhance your goals... I've ran T3 with Prop and its have worked GREAT for me....
04-20-2011, 05:21 PM
04-20-2011, 05:52 PM
04-20-2011, 11:15 PM
04-21-2011, 02:21 AM
15-20lbs of lbm- from a steroid cycle- is very very possible
15-20lbs of lbm off roids in a year- very very possible
tbol- ive used it at 60mgs- didnt like it- weak as hell. Epistane>tbol honestly
masteron- not sure how it's going to bulk you as its Androgenic>anabolic
For a summer bulk i would prefer
ehhh thats it really with correct diet
04-21-2011, 04:47 AM
You guys get better gains than I do then.
The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 18 1/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that "because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day."
So basically, the most this study could achieve was 18 pounds of pure muscle in a year. This was the max, out of everyone, in a full year. Yet everyone here claims to do it with no problems. I am telling OP that 15-20 pounds of LBM is not reasonable in a 12 week cycle, and everyone seems to be saying it is.
Personally, I can't and don't personally know anyone who can, just add on 20 pounds of lean mass (no bloat, no fat) in a single year.
04-21-2011, 08:28 AM
Don't quote me though! I am by no means a steroid expert and nor do I claim to be.
04-21-2011, 02:15 PM
04-21-2011, 04:51 PM
remember with new muscle tissue comes glycogen, water, and fat.
so gaining the weight is possuible yes. all muscle... not likely.
04-21-2011, 05:45 PM
15-20 pounds I can do with test, deca, dbol in 6 weeks. I actually did that over the winter. At the end I gained 40 pounds in 18 weeks. How much of that was actual LBM? I'm thinking about 8, at best. Half was definitely water (no AI). I have 20 left to play with. 12 was easily fat.
This thread is getting off course though.
04-21-2011, 06:48 PM
04-21-2011, 07:44 PM
I'm one week out of PCT after test and deca and lost ~17 pounds.....bloated wicked bad...but I kept both LBM and my strength gains for the most part....strength went down a little as I added cardio and started to cut a bit. Also 1st week and a half of PCT I was sick and couldn't lift or hardly eat anything....what wonderful timing!!
I give a f**K!!
04-21-2011, 08:21 PM
I'm not going to sit here over the Internet and BS like "oh ya, I can slap on 20 pounds of pure muscle". That's non sense. Seems like everyone in this thread can. So be it...
04-23-2011, 07:36 PM
I don't know how much you would consider that I gained but I gained 28 lbs while staying about the same bodyfat. Here is the link
Needtobuildmuscle contest Final before and after pics thread.
04-24-2011, 02:10 AM
Even if half of that was water/bloat (not saying it is), that's still a solid gain. Ya, I just don't size up that quick.
How long did that take by the way?
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