Steroid Cycle for Muscle Wasting
- 04-08-2011, 05:02 PM
Steroid Cycle for Muscle Wasting
-on test replacement 160mg weekly
-have ulcerative colitis
-on synthroid 125mcg
-on welbutrin 300mg xl (not for depression or smoking or anything, just for the chronic fatigue)
Went from a kinda lean (10-15%bf) 200lbs to 180lbs. obviously leaner but tremendous muscle loss. even picking up things in my apartment that i havent touched in a while startle me to how much heft they have now... scary
-lose weight when i have serious colitis flareup issues. i recently lost, no exaggeration, 20lbs over the course of 4 weeks. my biceps, calves, thighs have all lost easily visible size were talking inches. at least the abs are coming out more due to loss of some fat too... i want to cycle to gain some mass, now seems a good time...
-increase dosage of test for a particular duration to be determined
-i feel that since i lost the muscle easily and recently, that it will come back pretty easily regardless of cycling. i figure if the stimulus is there to grow back, if i amplify my recovery and anabolism this could be a great time to pack on some muscle
-what dosage would you recommend? im assuming a 300mg cycle aint gonna do much for someone on over half that normally... and for how long?
-am i better off working out and getting back into shape where i was before, then cycling?
yes this is part vanity/wanting to cycle anyway. but this is also serious. i am horribly wasting away. i have next to no appetite. i have been drinking protein shakes exclusively for almost two weeks now as i wither away due to no appetite.
the test should help the appetite as well id think, and help give me the drive to get off the bed and get to the gym and recover from this...
colitis symptoms are getting better... taking prednisone, about 40mg a day not too much and ive only been on prednisone for about 10 days. i would taper this down over the next few days/week.
advice? ideas? concerns?
Yes I am JFK hahah. (maybe someone will get that...)
- 04-09-2011, 01:58 PM
It's risky to start AAS on your own when you're taking a catabolic steroid like prednisone to do the exact opposite of what anabolic steroids do. The prednisone will affect the use of anabolics. So in my opinion, I'd work with your doctor and see if he can recommend an alternative treatment. Prednisone will kill you, by the way, if the disease doesn't get you first.
Having said that, if you chose to ignore my advice above, I would do a lot of research and if you feel like experimenting, you can (I have done the research) control your immune response through anabolics without risking your life on prednisone. The right combination of test/deca/stanzabol can suppress your immune system without slowly killing you.. But, I hesitiate to go any further in explaining because I really feel you need to stick with your doctor or find one that can treat your condition with AAS, not catabolics. You may want to try a TRT doctor and approach him.
- 04-09-2011, 11:13 PM
I don't really want to give advice because I am not a doctor, but have you considered the gh approach? Just curious.iForce Nutrition Representative
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04-10-2011, 06:05 AM
Foxdie i have also seen on wikki that you should be taking ANY steroids while taking welbutrin.This is what i read.......................... .............................. ............................
Since bupropion is metabolized to hydroxybupropion by the CYP2B6 enzyme, drug interactions with CYP2B6 inhibitors are possible: this includes medications like paroxetine, sertraline, norfluoxetine (the active metabolite of fluoxetine), diazepam, clopidogrel, and orphenadrine. The expected result is the increase of bupropion and decrease of hydroxybupropion blood concentration. The reverse effect (decrease of bupropion and increase of hydroxybupropion) can be expected with CYP2B6 inducers, such as carbamazepine, clotrimazole, rifampicin, ritonavir, St John's Wort and others.
Hydroxybupropion (but not bupropion) is itself an inhibitor of CYP2D6, as well as a substrate of that enzyme. A significant increase in the concentration of some drugs metabolized by CYP2D6 (venlafaxine, desipramine and dextromethorphan, but not fluoxetine or paroxetine) has been observed when they are taken with bupropion.
Bupropion lowers the seizure threshold; accordingly, extreme care should be taken when prescribing bupropion with other medications that also lower it, such as antipsychotics, theophylline, steroids, and some tricyclic antidepressants. Its combination with nicotine replacement therapies can elevate blood pressure; since this combination is no more effective than either a nicotine patch or bupropion alone, it is not recommended.
The prescribing information recommends minimizing the use of alcohol, since in rare cases bupropion reduces alcohol tolerance, and because the excessive use of alcohol may lower the seizure threshold. A small study conducted by GlaxoSmithKline indicated that bupropion (100 mg) may counteract the subjective effects of small doses of alcohol (16–32 mL, slightly less than 1–2 standard US drinks). The volunteers reported feeling more sober and clear-headed and less sedated. Bupropion also reduced the detrimental effect of alcohol on auditory vigilance. The combination of bupropion (100 mg) and two drinks of alcohol increased heart rate by six beats per minute, a statistically significant increase.
04-10-2011, 11:07 PM
I know you asked for steroids and that this is the old school forum, but tbh Ostarine was made to combat Muscle wasting. It also has been giving people gains without any real sides
but do your research on it first though because I really dunno if it's safe to take much of anything that may mess up your equilibrium.
04-16-2011, 06:58 AM
07-03-2011, 04:01 AM
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That or HGH. HGH has been reportedly more effective for ibs, crohnes, or colitis, type symtoms. I have considered hgh, but its so expensive BM up to 800 for a cycle. I have crohnes so i understand. But if you want to go a supplement route. Take very very high doses of fish oil, it can work as an anti catabolic, also ant inflammatroy send me a message for questions, buddy. I know your agrevation.
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