How long for Tren Ace to kick?

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today is day 4 of tren ace

first two days where 50mg

today and yesterday was 75mgs


i have had NO insomnia, NO night sweats

but my agression in the gym is up- i feel like a savage, and my mood- i get irritable quicker too.


vascularity is so/so im at about 17.5% bf sometimes im super vascular other times nothing


im also on 100mg var
50 mg tbol
750mg testosterone


im kinda starting to think its bunk- BUT another member of this board is uisng the same supplier at 100 mgs ed and he is in week 2 and having the sweats etc



what should i doooooo?
 
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Any Tren cough? Wicked headaches? Blood pressure spikes?
 
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i get headaches at the end of the day- INTENSE then the ygo away- no bp spikes im on linsopril an ace inhibitor, no tren cough either


but he aint getting tren cough either


hmmmm i suppose if i dont notice anyuthing by day 10 its bunk?
 
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lethargy has just struck me


tren is working :)
 
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I hate to say this, but that may be all you get out of the tren. It's not that it's bunk, it's just that the gains with tren on top of all the other gear may not be that noticeable.

I cruise at about 400-600 test e per week, all year round. When I decide to blast on tren a, I'll keep the same test but do about 100mgs of tren a per day. (Next blasting phase I'm going to go up to 150 per day).

I notice a huge increase in appetite within a week; very good vascularity but the joint relief is the most noticeable. All my joints feel perfect after about two weks. Strength-wise, it's "better," but not incredible. When it kicks in, it'll be subtle, maybe 10 pounds per 100 on the bench, something like that. I feel really good on tren, but I don't rank strength as one of the main benefits for me.
 
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im using tren mainly for fat loss aid here. Diet is a clean clean clean 3300 calories ed, with weights 5x a week and cardio 4-6 times a week (slow metabolism)


it's ratio is 500/500 would i not still reap some sort of benefit from this portion of my blast?
 
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The drug trenbolone acetate is, without a doubt, the most powerful injectable anabolic steroid used by Steriod.com members to gain muscle. However the full properties of the drug are not always fully understood. This profile will separate fact from fiction and help steroid.com members decide if trenbolone is right for them.

Trenbolone is similar to the highly popular steroid nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new compound. Unlike nandrolone however trenbolone is an excellent mass and hardening drug with the majority of gains being muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) It has an unbelievable anabolic (muscle building) score of 500. When you compare that to testosterone, which itself is a powerful mass builder, and has an anabolic score of 100 you can begin to fathom the muscle building potential of trenbolone. What makes trenbolone so anabolic? Numerous factors come into play. Trenbolone greatly increases the level of the extremely anabolic hormone IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2). And, it´s worth noting that not only does it increase the levels of IGF-1 in muscle over two fold, it also causes muscle satellite cells (cells that repair damaged muscle) to be more sensitive to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3). The amount of DNA per muscle cell may also be significantly increased (3).

Trenbolone also has a very strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor (A.R), binding much more strongly than testosterone (4). This is important, because the stronger a steroid binds to the androgen receptor the better that steroid works at activating A.R dependant mechanisms of muscle growth. There is also strong supporting evidence that compounds which bind very tightly to the androgen receptor also aid in fat loss. Think as the receptors as locks and androgens as different keys, with some keys (androgens) opening (binding) the locks (receptors) much better than others. This is not to say that AR-binding is the final word on a steroid´s effectiveness. Anadrol doesn´t have any measurable binding to the AR& and we all know how potent Anadrol is for mass-building.

Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, trenbolone´s incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).

Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Trenbolone is also a highly androgenic hormone, when compared with testosterone, which has an androgenic ratio of 100; trenbolone´s androgenic ratio is an astonishing 500. Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.

Trenbolone promotes red blood cell production and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment, significantly improving recovery (13). Like almost all steroids, trenbolones effects are dose dependant with higher dosages having the greatest effects on body composition and strength. Mental changes are a notorious side effect of trenbolone use(15), androgens increase chemicals in the brain that promote aggressive behavior(16), which can be beneficial for some athletes wanting to improve speed and power.

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sensitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina ****). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone.

The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended. The acetate ester provides a rapid and high concentration of the hormone which is beneficial to those seeking quick gains, coupled with a rapid clearing time the acetate ester can be discontinued on the onset of adverse side effects.

Now that the properties of trenbolone acetate have been explained we can better understand how to use it in order to maximize its advantages. Evidence suggests that trenbolone when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that trenbolone alone(22), now I´m not telling you to go pop some birth control with your trenbolone but the addition of aromatizing orals such as dianabol and a long estered testosterone such as cypionate or enanthate would produce great gains in a bulking cycle. For a cutting cycle trenbolone is the best choice you have; trenbolones powerful effect on nutrient shuttling allows a user to restrict calories and remain in a state of positive nitrogen balance (remember what that means?). The cortisol reducing effect and binding to the glucocorticoid receptor will greatly reduce the catabolic effects of harsh dieting and excessive amounts of cardio& not to mention that trenbolone itself may burn fat (due to it´s strong AR-binding). A good choice to stack with tren in a cutting cycle is Winstrol. Winstrol has a low binding affinity to the AR and thus will act in your body in vastly different ways than the Tren (i.e. in non-receptor mediated action). In addition, Winstrol is a DHT-based drug and Tren is a 19-nor& throw in some Testosterone (prop), and you´ll have a cutting cycle which takes advantage of all 3 major families of Anabolic Steroids (Testosterone, 19-nor, and DHT), as well as vastly different AR-binding affinities and mechanisms of action.

Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route.

Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many.

As of now the main source of trenbolone is from implants for cattle being converted into an injectable or transdermal compound, from powder, and of course Underground Labs. "Home brewing" powder or cattle implants seems to be the preferred method of obtaining injectable trenbolone acetate, because the user would have much more control over the potency and sterility of the drug. Trenbolone is much more expensive than other anabolic steroids ranging from 15 U.S dollars per gram of powder or 150 U.S for a single 10 ml bottle. The cost of trenbolone should not matter, it is worth every penny.

Trenbolone Acetate Profile

(17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
(Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
Formula: C20 H24 O3
Molecular Weight: 312.4078
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Melting Point (ester):16.6C
Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 2-3 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

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I sure hope i get some of the benefits listed here :(
 

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Did you make your own Tren-A? At any rate, I've used it over the years, and just laugh when I get that cough mid/post injection, haha! Break out into a sweat and have shortness of breath momentarily.

Also, I never thought about the lethargy or increase in appetite as attributable to TA. I'm on day 8 right now of my current cycle, giving EQ a try for the first time as well, and Test-Prop along with Test-E for a sustained effect.

I have never experienced night sweats, but my body temperature is usually a lot higher. Oh, by adding the EQ in, which I also made, the injections are much smoother and post injection pain is hugely reduced.
 
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no, but i know the supplier, and know people who use him who are getting ALL the sides of tren


its working man, i have lethargy im hella aggressive, and MUCH more edgy, no night sweats or insomnia- but not everyone gets these
 
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i have never gotten tren cough...not once. i guess i am just lucky. and it was legit tren, o yes it was lol. usually start "feeling" it around day 5-7
 
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i felt it strong today- strong mood swing, cardio was a pain in the ass, and pumps where out of this world
 
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good- throughout the day it gets better then dies a bit then gets back up there- right now- nothing


but its weird it comes and goes- im also at about 17.5% bf though, the pumps where MIND BLOWING

best i have ever had period

im pretty sure its not the turinabol causing the pumps, and i know it isnt the test these where another beast
 
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Tren is the king in my opinion. I wish I could stay on it all year 'round.
 
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mood swings too- its kickin for sure,
 

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tren-ace kicks in slow, about 3 weeks ish to feel its full potential despite the short ester.
 

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I will never run tren-e again, it took almost 2 months to really get it going
 
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NO but i WANT TO! 100 mgs one hour pre workout right?
 
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I've got some coming in. Combined with Adrol, that should kick ass! Yeah, just before the workout then go all out. Since Adrol bonds poorly with the AR, but tren binds like crazy to the AR, there should be tons of test floating around.
 
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im lookin at picking up 20ml's of it for the last 4 weeks of my blast
 

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I've got some coming in. Combined with Adrol, that should kick ass! Yeah, just before the workout then go all out. Since Adrol bonds poorly with the AR, but tren binds like crazy to the AR, there should be tons of test floating around.
**** no, but as swelly said I ****ING WANT TO!!!!

i've got a few sources but none of them stock it :(
 

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tren-ace kicks in slow, about 3 weeks ish to feel its full potential despite the short ester.
Finally, some good information! Good post HungryH. This is true. I've got multiple 40ml vials sitting around, looking gorgeous with their amber glow, calling out to me. I come a knockin' ever other day :)
 
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im curently dieting for my second show ever, last 1 was over 2 yrs ago...but anyways im about 2 weeks ish into some tren a myself......short breath and def edgy as hell....im sure the diet doesnt help.

i had the cough last time i did tren tho, esp in the shower where i do most of my injects. reaching over to get the shoulder seems to close in the chest and cough cough away
 
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well its day 22 for me, it kicked hard about 5 days ago. Cardio was harder in the first and second week, this week- i have puked twice doing cardio- which NEVER happens to me


cant get to sleep with out sleep medications, hot as hell most of the day, not very good vascularity- but im at 14.5%bf now, gotta get down to 10.....anyways i figure with another ehh 5-8 weeks of tren and this strict diet, i will be able to drop down to at least 11%bf
 
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its horrible im thinking of just switching to winnie for 6 weeks lol

but then i will just have a boatload of tren on my hands :/
 

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