Still increasing strength....
- 01-31-2011, 04:35 PM
Still increasing strength....
So I've been running Test E for a long while now, started out with a 5x5 workout, bulked up quite a bit and got tremendous strength and size gains. Since my knee's are all ****ed I cannot lift heavy with squats and things, so I track my progress through bench and military press barbell press. My bench has gone from 225x5, 275x10, 300x3 to 225x10, 285x10, and 315x5. My military went from 185x10, 185x10 and 205x10 to 225x10, 225x10, 225x10. I see continued improved strength in everything I do week to week. I'm wondering when I can hit the 400 mark in my bench......Would be a pretty good feat for someone who is 205lbs....
- 02-01-2011, 12:24 AM
- 02-01-2011, 05:30 PM
02-01-2011, 05:36 PM
Is this your first injectible cycle?
I would suggest Pct as soon as possible and take 20 weeks off until next cycle.
TRT (that's what being on all the time is) is usually ran at less that 500 mg a week, look into that.
02-01-2011, 07:46 PM
02-01-2011, 07:53 PM
02-01-2011, 08:19 PM
02-01-2011, 09:47 PM
02-01-2011, 09:59 PM
02-01-2011, 10:03 PM
if someone is on testosterone year around and NEVER comes off it is known as testosterone replacement therapy or TRT and it sounds like they are not prescribed either- because prescirption doses are NOT 500-750mgs a week
that being said steroids like test increase bad cholesterol and lower good cholesterol leading to plaque in the arteries of the heart
which leads to heart attack
which leads to death
02-01-2011, 11:25 PM
There's a lot of guys doing this kind of thing year round and never do PCT unless they run out and just can't afford more at the moment.
honestly... if you're keeping tabs on your lipids and things are going smooth well... it's not that awful.
mostly we all cycle off so we can keep our HPTA in check and our natural test values correct. maybe some of us want to have kids some day... i dunno.
some of the bigger and more scary (long term) side effects are prostate growth and DVT due to increased red blood cell count. I think i heard something about bone mineral density issues arising as well but i could be wrong about that, and i'm pretty sure it was only in older patients.
I'm one of the guys that wants to have kids and never cycling off proves to great a risk to infertility. and i can't afford all year round test lol
oh btw 400lb bench is crazy for your weight. i wouldn't eff with you bro that's for sure.
02-02-2011, 03:37 PM
My bench max is around 360 right now.....With some more work, I'm sure I could get 400 by end of summer. Also, that is w/o arching my back or anything....so I'm sure I could add a more weight with a good arch technique.
02-02-2011, 09:43 PM
People are really set on their ways in the bodybuilding community as a whole, especially on the internet. some of the meatheads out there who don't touch a computer might actually be better off lol
people make it sound like you're gonna DIE if you take test all day everyday... i really don't think that's the case. i mean TRT is being used pretty commonly right now on much older individuals and patients are doing fine on it. regular exams(yeah that means prostate sorry buddy), get your bloods done... you'll be golden. If you start getting bad lipid panel values, or something else goes wrong then get off the juice. just don't plan on having kids while your on it, or for a while afterward even with a carefully planned PCT. sperm count after atrophy stays pretty low for a while, my doc said about 6 months. totally unsure if PCT helps in this regard...
OH and yeah do yourself a flavor and get a manual BP taker (sphygmomanometer and stethoscope) Things are like 10 bucks at wally world and i use it fairly regularly. docs always get a kick out of you telling them your BP before they take it. in the summer when i'm using albuterol i take my BP constantly to make sure i'm ok. test NEVER raised my BP.
02-02-2011, 10:05 PM
02-04-2011, 01:37 AM
But if the proper precautines were taken, for example blood tests, bp checked regularly, prostate exam. And proper calcium, vit d, and magnesium supplementation for bone density. Wouldn't it be possible to run test all year round and still be healthy?
02-04-2011, 01:29 PM
02-04-2011, 03:12 PM
Im on 350mg/wk of a compounded t-gel. Most people are prescribed 100mg. This puts my t levels in the 1000ng/dl range but my DHT is extremely high. However my PSA is at the lowest end of the range, by RBC is normal, hematocit, BP, and Cholestrol all great. So at the end of the day, everyone freaks about high DHT, F*ck it.
And using HCG 500-1000iu/wk...no atrophy and should keep fertility.
So in this case, I dont see why it would be so detrimental to be on 500+mg/TestE. The DHT may actually be lower than the compounded gel and have less effects on the prostate etc.
02-05-2011, 02:33 AM
show me direct proof that testosterone injections (NOT mdrol hdrol pplex or some other designer garbage drug) causes increased cholesterol or choleostasis. show me direct proof that testosterone replacement therapy causes heart attacks in an otherwise normal healthy male. show me the bodies sir.
02-05-2011, 02:14 PM
02-05-2011, 02:56 PM
Damn !! That's rad. It sounds like your are gonna get your goal too ! I'm getting ready for my first pin cycle with tren and test E. I gotta say I love this forum, there is sooo much good info.
Good luck with getting that 400lbs ! That's mean!
02-06-2011, 12:14 AM
My concern would be the lifelong consequences of shutting down your normal test production for a whole year, balls shrinking, etc...
I would make sure you have a good doctor lined up for HRT/TRT because you may need it, also if you plan to have children that would be a concern too, if you run cycles like this you have to be prepared for the consequences, and dude most guys who run a year straight, well they just stay on for years anyway so...
Now just because your boys run high amounts of test all year doesn't mean that you would be fine doing that too, just be responsible with what you do, don't mess yourself up and be conscious of your health and your family, I think at AM you will find that there is a more "err on caution" type attitude with a lot of concern for health and safety, if you are looking for support in running ridiculous amounts of steroids you are not going to find that here
02-06-2011, 04:51 PM
Steroids do increase blood pressure! The RBC count goes through the roof increasing the thickness of the blood and therefore Blood pressure! Hypertension can lead to an increase in stroke/heart attacks by as much as 4 times the risks for someone without high blood pressure.
I'm not saying don't do steroids, that would be hypocrisy, I'm saying know how to use them without wreck less abandonment.
02-07-2011, 07:20 PM
all steroids increase cholesterol- some impact it more than others- methylated or not- steroids of all types are PROVEN to increase cholesterol
02-08-2011, 06:21 AM
The highest/longest I ran was 750mg for 18 weeks.
Suffice to say I didn't bounce back (as I did on lower and shorter runs) and I am on TRT.
It's whether you care or not.
I personally don't care...
You will mess up your levels though.
02-08-2011, 06:25 AM
Also, just to add its just my test levels that are low.
I run blood all the time. Everything else is on point and I am a firm believer of diet and genetics.
The only thing gear messed with was my hormones.
My diet is so clean its sickening.
Just food for thought.
02-08-2011, 08:40 AM
The 600mg group HDL dropped to 34, otherwise no adverse effects.
Changes in plasma HDL cholesterol, in contrast, were negatively dependent on testosterone dose and correlated with testosterone concentrations. Total cholesterol, plasma low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels did not change significantly at any dose.
Lift heavy and eat lots of dead animals! Yes, that's me in my avatar.
02-08-2011, 12:33 PM
Testosterone doses associated with significant gains in fat-free mass, muscle size, and strength were associated with significant reductions in plasma HDL concentrations.
This is text from that article, it indicates that steroids are bad for cholesterol.
Total cholesterol may not have changed, but the hardening of arteries and buildup of plaque will occur with the drop in HDL cholesterol.
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