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    Can you pin AAS in fat?


    using a slin syringe pining in ur stomach? would that work just as fine as injecting in muscle? ofcourse having an oil that dosent take 20min to go thru the slin pin.



    just wondering. and yes, i do inject in muscles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    using a slin syringe pining in ur stomach? would that work just as fine as injecting in muscle? ofcourse having an oil that dosent take 20min to go thru the slin pin.

    just wondering. and yes, i do inject in muscles.
    The answer is yes, but... I hit my wife with .10cc Mast every week. I inject her with a slin pin under the skin. It takes maybe 10 minutes to draw .10cc. Unlike water, even .10cc comes our slowly. When the buzz was doing subQ over IM, I did some research and to my surprise found that the doc's often recommend it. So I tried 1cc, drawn in a 3mL syringe and injected with a 25ga needle. I stayed subQ. It hurt going in and I had to find another location after 1/2cc. The injection sites burned, itched and remained reddened for about 24hours. So I can say from experience that 1cc of oil injected subQ is not easy way to adminiter test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    The answer is yes, but... I hit my wife with .10cc Mast every week. I inject her with a slin pin under the skin. It takes maybe 10 minutes to draw .10cc. Unlike water, even .10cc comes our slowly. When the buzz was doing subQ over IM, I did some research and to my surprise found that the doc's often recommend it. So I tried 1cc, drawn in a 3mL syringe and injected with a 25ga needle. I stayed subQ. It hurt going in and I had to find another location after 1/2cc. The injection sites burned, itched and remained reddened for about 24hours. So I can say from experience that 1cc of oil injected subQ is not easy way to adminiter test.
    thats wat i was thinking. ud prob have to inject 1/2cc at onces and go in a different spot.

    but my tru question is- would sub Q be just as effective as IM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    thats wat i was thinking. ud prob have to inject 1/2cc at onces and go in a different spot.

    but my tru question is- would sub Q be just as effective as IM?
    According to the docs, it may be more effective. I don't know if I believe that though. Their theory is that it will be absorbed more evenly and keep your levels more constant. I could test it out and know for sure, but I don't really care enough to put that kind of time and money into it. Unless someone has actually done empirical tests, then all you're going to get is opinion. My opinion isn't worth the virtual paper this is written on, but I'm sticking with IM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    According to the docs, it may be more effective. I don't know if I believe that though. Their theory is that it will be absorbed more evenly and keep your levels more constant. I could test it out and know for sure, but I don't really care enough to put that kind of time and money into it. Unless someone has actually done empirical tests, then all you're going to get is opinion. My opinion isn't worth the virtual paper this is written on, but I'm sticking with IM.
    well ill do a log. test/tren ace and imma shoot it in my stomach/chest/arms. the log will be up soon.
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    Sub-q has been studied and is being prescribed more often. In one study the weekly doses were cut in half due to the higher blood levels it produces.

    http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/2006/161440_1.pdf

    I've done it but no more than .5cc at once. It takes a really long time to draw too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad rad View Post
    Sub-q has been studied and is being prescribed more often. In one study the weekly doses were cut in half due to the higher blood levels it produces.

    http://ipac.kacst.edu.sa/eDoc/2006/161440_1.pdf

    I've done it but no more than .5cc at once. It takes a really long time to draw too.
    That's wild man.

    What about test suspension? That's water based and therefore sub-q right? Or am I wrong on both accounts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    That's wild man.

    What about test suspension? That's water based and therefore sub-q right? Or am I wrong on both accounts?
    I wouldn't pin anything water-based sub-q. Most bodyfat has a poor blood supply and relies on the lymph system for circulation, because of this you what an oil based Test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    using a slin syringe pining in ur stomach? would that work just as fine as injecting in muscle? ofcourse having an oil that dosent take 20min to go thru the slin pin.



    just wondering. and yes, i do inject in muscles.
    I dont get why you would want to.. Its absorbed better IM.
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    Can anyone here go back and forth from nmol/l to ng/dl?

    That study is pretty convincing.

    Guys were pinning .5ml of test a week and getting 21.65 +or- 7ish total test. They were hypogonadal.

    They also reported it as less painful and more safe.

    What if you were to pin .5ml of test subQ 4 times a week. Assuming the test is 250mg/ml you could hit 500mg subQ...
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    Here's the conversion, in this case it should be nmol/L /(.0347)= ng/dL.

    Testosterone ng/dL x 0.0347=nmol/L

    One guy got mid 600's using 25mg TE sub-q, that's impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad rad View Post
    Here's the conversion, in this case it should be nmol/L /(.0347)= ng/dL.

    Testosterone ng/dL x 0.0347=nmol/L

    One guy got mid 600's using 25mg TE sub-q, that's impressive.
    Wow bro... I have some test for my next cycle but no pins. I have slins.

    Maybe I should test it out. I don't mind being on test for a month subQ .5ml injections 4x a week and then going to get a blood test after 4 weeks.

    The thing is blood test results usually cap out at a limit on testosterone. So I won't know exactly how high it will be.

    Any way around this? To figure out my true numbers?
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    I've read it takes longer to breakdown and enter the blood stream.
    It's possible though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    I've read it takes longer to breakdown and enter the blood stream.
    It's possible though.
    so using a short ester like test prop and tren ace would be pointless since it would take longer to kick in?

    ****. i ordered 100 slin pins already.
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    I don't think it is pointless.

    The study shows it is an effective way to administer.

    I didn't realize you say you would run a log GLHF. I am damn interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    I don't think it is pointless.

    The study shows it is an effective way to administer.

    I didn't realize you say you would run a log GLHF. I am damn interested.
    i am but now i dont know if i wanna go subq. i ordered 100 slin pins last night after i saw all the responses saying yes its possible and now CCV3 saying its possible but it would take longer to brake down. therfor defeating the purpose of using the short esters i want - test prop, tren ace.

    soooo idk wat to do right now.
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    Up to you bro. Maybe the other guys can chime in about that.
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    Well because I did it on accident once.
    I was hitting my left glute with my left hand (hard for me) and I swear the thing went in at a 45 degree angle, so I just figured I injected into fat.

    I started googling "accidentally injected into fat" or "what happens if you inject steroids into fat" and every one was saying it works but it takes longer to hit your blood. So I asked a doctor/client and he said that it does take longer for your body to break it down.

    I've read some posts where people claim it's the same thing, never anything about it being faster.

    Save the pins for your hcg or hgh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    Well because I did it on accident once.
    I was hitting my left glute with my left hand (hard for me) and I swear the thing went in at a 45 degree angle, so I just figured I injected into fat.

    I started googling "accidentally injected into fat" or "what happens if you inject steroids into fat" and every one was saying it works but it takes longer to hit your blood. So I asked a doctor/client and he said that it does take longer for your body to break it down.

    I've read some posts where people claim it's the same thing, never anything about it being faster.

    Save the pins for your hcg or hgh.
    I think it's a misconception that injecting into fat is going to automatically mean slower absorption. We're trying to figure in this thread if, in fact, it really IS a misconception (through sciencey things lol) or if it shouldn't be done for the reasons above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I think it's a misconception that injecting into fat is going to automatically mean slower absorption. We're trying to figure in this thread if, in fact, it really IS a misconception (through sciencey things lol) or if it shouldn't be done for the reasons above.
    Ya I'm pretty much going off of "that's what everyone else says". I trust my doctor, but I would have to assume he goes off of what was told to him as well.

    Looking online at other boards, almost every person who comments on it claims it takes longer to disperse through your body. Let's say they were going off the "that's what I was told" concept.

    I just find it hard to believe that it's just one big rumor that subq takes longer to disperse than IM.

    Just look at paramedics though. They are in emergency mode and time counts. If they can't go IV then they go IM. You never really see them pinch the patients stomach and administer sub q.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    Ya I'm pretty much going off of "that's what everyone else says". I trust my doctor, but I would have to assume he goes off of what was told to him as well.

    Looking online at other boards, almost every person who comments on it claims it takes longer to disperse through your body. Let's say they were going off the "that's what I was told" concept.

    I just find it hard to believe that it's just one big rumor that subq takes longer to disperse than IM.

    Just look at paramedics though. They are in emergency mode and time counts. If they can't go IV then they go IM. You never really see them pinch the patients stomach and administer sub q.
    damn. i understand wat you mean. so doing 75test prop and 50tren ace a day subq could be broken down slower. dose that mean it will hinder the gains? or will it just take a little bit longer to build up and start kicking?

    first time tren user here.
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    One way or another it all eventually get's absorbed. I just believe it would take longer to kick in. I doubt it would hinder any type of gains.

    Be the guinea pig and let us know how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    One way or another it all eventually get's absorbed. I just believe it would take longer to kick in. I doubt it would hinder any type of gains.

    Be the guinea pig and let us know how it goes.
    wow. well that makes me feel well about myself.
    ill do 1/2ml in 1 spot and 1/2ml in another spot everyday.
    the only thing im scared of is abscess. how do i take care of it if that happens???

    i cant really think why it would hinder any gains...i mean its in ur body weather its IM or subq its IN you. IM just has more blood flow to it, therfor id guess it would get spread faster?..

    im deffinetly logging this ****.
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    Im an RN and here is my .02

    SQ should not be a problem given that you understand 2 facts (as stated above, from what Ive been told. I have no empirical evidence to support my claims)


    1- No more than 1ml sq, ever. I honestly wouldnt go over .5ml ever in the ER.

    2- Absorption time is increased. My MD in the ER is pretty cut and dry about this. The more fat in there area, the less innervation...the less blood flow, the less of the 'medication' that can removed from the depot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKanezzi View Post
    Im an RN and here is my .02

    SQ should not be a problem given that you understand 2 facts (as stated above, from what Ive been told. I have no empirical evidence to support my claims)


    1- No more than 1ml sq, ever. I honestly wouldnt go over .5ml ever in the ER.

    2- Absorption time is increased. My MD in the ER is pretty cut and dry about this. The more fat in there area, the less innervation...the less blood flow, the less of the 'medication' that can removed from the depot.


    Regards
    1- i understand 100% im doing .5ml in a shot.
    2- by " less of the medication that can removed from the depot" wat dose that mean? dose it mean some of it will be wasted? i dont understand.
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    No no no, nothing will be wasted. I mean to say that it will take longer to remove whatever is put in there. Apologies, that was worded poorly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKanezzi View Post
    No no no, nothing will be wasted. I mean to say that it will take longer to remove whatever is put in there. Apologies, that was worded poorly.
    so again its possible to do it. i will get same gains. but it will just take longer to kick in....therfor point of the ace/prop ester is a little pointless. i just hope it dosent take more than 7-8days to feel the ace
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    I highly doubt it will be a huge time lag to see gains. I'm very interested in this log should you decide to do it make sure to post the link in here.
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    I'm pinning a lot of gear right now so I decised to go with slin pins ED for my tren ace part of the cycle, I am still pinning IM but so easy and I can tell you categorically it works just effective as I lay in a pool of tren sweat

    I draw with 3cc 22g then badkload 3 slin pins 90mg repeat and I got a week pre loaded very convenient and absolutely no scar tissue can pin away same spot as much as you like
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    So the ER drops knowledge. Thanks for chiming in.

    In regards of an abscess just clean up well. You can also take blood thinners which basically makes it harder for your body to create an inflammation. It makes it a lot harder to narrow the infection down and clot up. There are natural ones like turmeric.

    I've had some staph problems but thinning my blood out at the first sight of it makes it go away. I remember my friend got a really bad abscess from pinning his quad. It was almost the size of a football. He went to the hospital and he had to carry this tube hooked up to a mini vacuum. Every couple minutes it would "turn on" and suck a little out and drop it into the vacuum. It was pretty disgusting. Like we would just be sitting there, you then hear are rumble in that box he was carrying, and some crud would drop out of the tube. Off topic a little but thought I would share
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    So the ER drops knowledge. Thanks for chiming in.

    In regards of an abscess just clean up well. You can also take blood thinners which basically makes it harder for your body to create an inflammation. It makes it a lot harder to narrow the infection down and clot up. There are natural ones like turmeric.

    I've had some staph problems but thinning my blood out at the first sight of it makes it go away. I remember my friend got a really bad abscess from pinning his quad. It was almost the size of a football. He went to the hospital and he had to carry this tube hooked up to a mini vacuum. Every couple minutes it would "turn on" and suck a little out and drop it into the vacuum. It was pretty disgusting. Like we would just be sitting there, you then hear are rumble in that box he was carrying, and some crud would drop out of the tube. Off topic a little but thought I would share

    **** im relly scared of abscess. wat are some signs that thats happening? obviusly if it swells up that really bad..

    and damn thats a scary story u just said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad rad View Post
    I wouldn't pin anything water-based sub-q. Most bodyfat has a poor blood supply and relies on the lymph system for circulation, because of this you what an oil based Test.
    HCG is water based and that is always pinned sub-q are you just referring to AAS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    **** im relly scared of abscess. wat are some signs that thats happening? obviusly if it swells up that really bad..

    and damn thats a scary story u just said.
    It will get red and sensitive to to the touch. The redness will start increasing by size. Then eventually the body will try to centralize the infection and it will lump up and fill with puss. You can drain it yourself.

    No reason to be paranoid though.

    I've had boils before. Not from pinning AAS though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    It will get red and sensitive to to the touch. The redness will start increasing by size. Then eventually the body will try to centralize the infection and it will lump up and fill with puss. You can drain it yourself.

    No reason to be paranoid though.

    I've had boils before. Not from pinning AAS though...
    after i drain it. it would come back right? do i need to take anti biotics if that happens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    I'm pinning a lot of gear right now so I decised to go with slin pins ED for my tren ace part of the cycle, I am still pinning IM but so easy and I can tell you categorically it works just effective as I lay in a pool of tren sweat

    I draw with 3cc 22g then badkload 3 slin pins 90mg repeat and I got a week pre loaded very convenient and absolutely no scar tissue can pin away same spot as much as you like
    Let me get this right because I think I'm going to try the same thing. You're taking a 27ga slin pin, 1/2 inch, and pinning 90 degrees in your thigh, or maybe chest, etc? Last time I did a daily injection I just went IM the entire time. This seems like a better solution.
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    If drawing is a problem I have read around that some people draw with a regular needle to get the oil out, take out the plunger of the slin pin, and dump the oil into the slin pin. Only thing to be careful is to keep everything very sterile, and getting all the air out of the slin without losing any juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    If drawing is a problem I have read around that some people draw with a regular needle to get the oil out, take out the plunger of the slin pin, and dump the oil into the slin pin. Only thing to be careful is to keep everything very sterile, and getting all the air out of the slin without losing any juice.
    There's no other way to do it. I always back feed the slin pins. You're right, you have to keep it sterile, but drawing 1cc from oil into a slin pin is nearly impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    There's no other way to do it. I always back feed the slin pins. You're right, you have to keep it sterile, but drawing 1cc from oil into a slin pin is nearly impossible.
    Howbout pushing it out when injecting? Same problem or is it easier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    after i drain it. it would come back right? do i need to take anti biotics if that happens?
    It can come back. It just means you drained it pre-maturely and it isn't done killing the infection. A small bag forms and its your bodies way to consolidate the bacteria. Sometimes people mess with it too early and that small layer (the bag) can rip inside, thus causing the bacteria to get back in that area and causing the abscess to regroup.

    You want to wait and cut it when it's ready.

    People just go to the doctor though. I dont because I've dealt with them before so you get used to it (haven't had one in years though). If you go to the doctor they will drain it for you. Or they will numb the area, cut it out, and then place medicine in there, plus give you anti biotics.

    You are looking a little too far ahead.
    You really won't get one unless you are dirty at the time or have staph on your skin.
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    ok review:
    inject .5cc in each shot
    backload wit a normal syringe
    keep everything steril obviusly..

    as long as i shoot after i shower and lets say i keep everything clean and keep rotating SubQ spots i should be fine right?

    the only thing thats bugging me im not sure weather it will get absorb 100% and work just as well as IM.
  

  
 

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