Short burst cycle
- 01-08-2011, 01:53 AM
- 01-08-2011, 06:05 AM
Switch the test to prop and would be much better.
Also, no need for adex, unless you get estro sides REAL bad. Remember, estrogen isnt a bad thing, just if theres a lot or very little.
- 01-08-2011, 07:40 AM
01-08-2011, 08:38 AM
01-08-2011, 01:37 PM
01-09-2011, 06:22 AM
01-09-2011, 11:54 AM
any other thoughts? just post up a short cycle and say why you think its a good choice for my goals. just have a discussion and ill make up my mind, thats how congress dose it right?
01-10-2011, 12:06 AM
Yeah I would agree with the Prop, or front load the enan the first week so it doesn't take half of your cycle to start seeing results from it. I am a fan of shorter runs, I find them easier to recover from.
I would recommend a clen/T3 combo in there as well for your desired goals.
01-10-2011, 04:14 PM
01-10-2011, 04:14 PM
01-10-2011, 07:20 PM
01-10-2011, 10:56 PM
I always run short 6-8 week burst cycles, but mine are laid out quite different, simply because I never come off. So its usually a couple blast cycles in the middle of a 20 weeker. Definitely not suggested for pretty much everyone, unless you dont care about natty test and/or have goals of going for a pro card someday.
01-10-2011, 11:16 PM
01-10-2011, 11:31 PM
wk 1-20: 500mg test e
wk 1-20: 750mg eq
wk 1-10: 300mg tren E
wk 1-6: 437mg prop
wk 1-6: 262mg tren ace
wk 1-4: 50mg dbol (preworkout only on workout days)
wk 7-10: 50mg drol/25mg winny (preworkout only on workout days)
wk 11-17: 500mg prop
wk 11-17: 600mg mast
wk 11-17: 100mg var per day
*I also have some GH and slin used throughout
**the test e/tren E is a blend which i was sent by mistake, but Im using cuz im not gonna waste it. I normally dont use tren E
*** the reasoning for the weird dosages with the prop/tren ace, is because its a homebrew 100mg/ml prop, 75mg/ml tren ace...done .5cc ED.
****depending on where im at once week 11 hits as far as weight, I will swap out npp for the mast if i want something more in the size department.
And yes this cycle is not a beginner cycle.
01-11-2011, 07:56 AM
01-11-2011, 08:38 AM
01-11-2011, 03:44 PM
01-11-2011, 05:36 PM
01-11-2011, 06:57 PM
01-12-2011, 11:52 AM
01-12-2011, 12:02 PM
to the op,let me guess.....came over from BB.com?
there's nothing wrong with short burst cycles but using a long ester like enth. is not a good idea by the time you start to notice gains you're coming off. does that sound like a good idea.
listen i don't want to be a d**k or anything here but you're inexperience shows, so let us help.
things like that are good for short burst cycles because they only take days to kick in. short cycles are a pretty good idea depending on your goals, it allows your receptors to become "clean" again much sooner than running say, test-e for 16 weeks.
01-12-2011, 12:12 PM
im running test tren win clen t3
and in that picture im 176.4lbs i believe at end of my cut this past summer. u think u look better than me? show a pic. if u do than mad props, cuz i get ***** left and right. think u cna do better than that? bring it.
current weight is 228ish.
01-12-2011, 12:25 PM
01-12-2011, 12:51 PM
01-12-2011, 01:01 PM
if you are going to do the short test-e cycle, i'd suggest dosing it as 250 3x a week. will help get levels higher and stable faster that way. Take a peek at ALRI's Building the Perfect Beast Chemically Enhanced version for some crazy short cycles.
01-12-2011, 01:41 PM
I would also suggest test prop, but in no way is 8 weeks test e a waste, agree with ez, do a shot 3x's per week, or even eod, I know sounds crazy, dont know the science behind it, but somehow more frequent shots do help to get blood levels quicker. I would go less than 8 weeks for winny oral, but I am a sissy when it comes to orals, I would do weeks 6-10, as you wont start pct till after week 10 or so anyways due to enanthate ester clearing, or weeks 1-5 or 6 as a kickstart, but not all 8-10 weeks. It is a fine cycle, not optimal maybe, but if you are ready to start pct and you have not changed your body by that time using that gear, then you have a problem somewhere.
If you look up short cycles, test prop, dbol, tren or common compounds used, and these are even for 6 weeks cycles.
01-12-2011, 02:05 PM
the kid that says this is 180lbs lol.
01-12-2011, 02:56 PM
01-12-2011, 03:04 PM
yes, I saw thread where emeric delczeg talked about shooting test e like 4-5 times per week in smaller dosages and he said it helped to keep estro related sides down. It seems any more that if you dont do 16 week cycles and take 4+ compounds people say is a waste and that is not true at all. test and winny is a great combo, I suggest doing it. I currently on test and primo and it is great, I feel no need to add anything. Now I am not going to lie, I dont want to come off, but that is different than having to stay on because of no gains.
Just for conversation like you had said, test+x is usally a great combo, test goes with anything, and if you only taking one other compound and have done test before you will have much better idea of your reactino to the new compound.
Shorter cycles are great too. I love 6-10 weeks, recovery is easier, chance of sides are less, still get nice gains, I think they are great. Nothing wrong with longer cycles either, but short ones are definitely not bad. A great cheap cycle is test prop eod 100 mgs or so for 6 weeks. If you are going to compete at a high level, then short cycles are not for you, but if you just tyring to look and feel better I think they are a nice alternative.
01-12-2011, 03:05 PM
nah but seriously lol, i was 230 at 18%, started cutting and went down to 175 at ~8%. how is that impossible? most of my cut i didnt use anything other than otc fat burners, and than cut wit test and clen. no heavy usage or any **** therfor i lost a lot of muscle. uve obviusly do not know what a "rebound" is. i got upto 190 in matter of days after my cut was over and stabilized at 205 at 10ish. stfu ur the one that dosent know wat theyr talking bout. and WTF ur saying i should be cycling to get upto 230? ur pathetic, its obvius uve never tried gaining or cutting weight without aas. and ur 170lb, if ur as smart as u say u are and u know wtf ur doing than WHY are u still 170lbs????
ur making a fool out of urself kid...
01-12-2011, 03:14 PM
Test euth will take 4-5 weeks to reach any kinda blood saturation levels that you will notice, yes it has actives but you will not feel any affects, nor reap any bennifits.
test euth should be run for 12-16 wks, this will give you 8-10 wks of noticable effects.
Also your a lil defensive for sumone looking for advice, just sumthing to think about.
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