The Pre Cut - Before My Actual Summer Cut - Critique

[CCV3]

Week 1 - 600mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 400mg EQ
Week 2 - 600mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 400mg EQ
Week 3 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 4 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 5 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 6 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 7 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 8 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 9 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 10 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 11 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 12 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E

Week 1-6 Tbol 50mg ED
Week 7-12 Stano 50mg ED

Week 1-12 Proviron 25mg ED

PCT
Week 15 - HCG (2500 - 2500) / 20mg Nolva / 100mg Clomid
Week 16 - HCG (2000 - 1500 - 1500) / 20mg Nolva / 50mg Clomid
Week 17 - 20mg Novla / 50mg Clomid
Week 18 - 20mg Novla / 50mg Clomid

Week 1-18 GH M-F 3.3Iu's ED

Criticism is always welcome.
Also, I have plenty of var, clen, ECA, T3 and T4.
Where would you guys throw that in, if at all?

 

[Spartan-JS]

what are u expecting from 6 weeks of EQ?

 

[GLHF]

what are u expecting from 6 weeks of EQ?

probably some lubrication and to get him hungrier?

 

[CrazyChemist]

check out the write up on hCG here http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/141577-unreals-guide-injectables-4.html#post2693219 - if it was me id front load the test p and drop the last few weeks of it. proviron is pricey but if u got the pockets for it go for it.

 

[CCV3]

probably some lubrication and to get him hungrier?

Yup, pretty much.
I've ran EQ for 12 before. It doesn't really fully hit me till week 5 or 6. The strength gains were through the roof for me.

Plus I don't want to run Tren for 12 weeks, thought I would split it up.

 

[CCV3]

check out the write up on hCG here http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/141577-unreals-guide-injectables-4.html#post2693219 - if it was me id front load the test p and drop the last few weeks of it. proviron is pricey but if u got the pockets for it go for it.

Makes sense.
Up the E once I drop the P or cruise on 300?
600 a week is a max I am comfortable with.

When do you suggest on cutting it out?

I already have 100 25mg tabs of Proviron. So I'm good on that..

 

[CrazyChemist]

id do 5 wks test p at 500mg and keep the test e the same - the test e wont take full effect till wk 3/4.

 

[CCV3]

Ya, I would just hope I wouldn't get hit hard in week 5 or 6 because too much isn't something I can really back out of. Anything over 600mg's gives me bad bacne (I've tried it all, nothing works). Don't want to be Mr Pimples during summer.

I am switching the E to C in weeks 7-12

 

[GLHF]

to the OP:

id just do 1-12 test 1-8/10 tren. pills in there if you want. first 6 weeks or thru out 200mg eq for healthyer joints.

 

[CCV3]

Started about a week ago.
Everything is fine except I think the T3 is making me lose strength. I am sweating non stop and my strength has gone down about 10% if not more...

 

[Liftingstud]

If it was me I would drop the prop and Proviron, do something like this...
wks 1-14 test e 600mg/wk
wks 1-12 EQ 400mg/wk
wks 7-14 tren e 200mg/wk
wks 1-4 50mg Dbol or Tbol
wks 13-16 50mg wintrol
wk 17 start PCT like you have and use HCG like you have above.

Nice thing about this cycle is you can inj 2x wk because the esters match up for it really well.

I am considering something very very similar to this actually to start in a month or so to really recomp and get lean and vascular for summer. Just not sure about the EQ considering running the tren e longer and just using winstrol at the end for 6 wks.

 

[Liftingstud]

to the OP:

id just do 1-12 test 1-8/10 tren. pills in there if you want. first 6 weeks or thru out 200mg eq for healthyer joints.

on the same page as you man... def agree

 

[timmmah]

Week 1 - 600mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 400mg EQ
Week 2 - 600mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 400mg EQ
Week 3 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 4 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 5 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 6 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg EQ
Week 7 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 8 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 9 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 10 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 11 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E
Week 12 - 300mg Test E / 200mg Test P / 200mg Tren E

Week 1-6 Tbol 50mg ED
Week 7-12 Stano 50mg ED

Week 1-12 Proviron 25mg ED

PCT
Week 15 - HCG (2500 - 2500) / 20mg Nolva / 100mg Clomid
Week 16 - HCG (2000 - 1500 - 1500) / 20mg Nolva / 50mg Clomid
Week 17 - 20mg Novla / 50mg Clomid
Week 18 - 20mg Novla / 50mg Clomid

Week 1-18 GH M-F 3.3Iu's ED

Criticism is always welcome.
Also, I have plenty of var, clen, ECA, T3 and T4.
Where would you guys throw that in, if at all?

From what I understand about HCG, it is used towards the end of a cycle to re-grow the testis to normal size so that PCT is easier/faster/less sucky.

Why are you using it in PCT and not before?

 

[Liftingstud]

From what I understand about HCG, it is used towards the end of a cycle to re-grow the testis to normal size so that PCT is easier/faster/less sucky.

Why are you using it in PCT and not before?

Yeah though when i read this it was last few wks of cycle... it needs to be run at the end of the cycle and stopped before PCT. It can inhibit recovery during PCT. Some people add it to PCT but thoughts about this have changed and used at the end of the cycle or throughout the cycle to keep testis normal size. I prefer just using it the last 4-5wks depending on cycle length and the boys blow back up and stay nice and full sized.

 

[CCV3]

So run the Tren longer. I like the idea. I think I agree. I am going to kick it in 2 weeks early.

The HCG, well it has always worked well for me that way. Except for last time (hence why I have a test script now). Running proviron throughout should already give me that safer recovery approach as it keeps natural production up.

How much do you suggest I run towards the end?

 

[timmmah]

I'll be using HCG for the first time on my current cycle and plan to use it for the last 5 weeks at 1000/week (a change not included in my log yet)

 

[CCV3]

Strength is back to normal.
Tbol and Test starting to kick.

Had me a little worried for a sec. I was about to ditch the T3. Stuff turned me into the incredible shrinking man.

 

[gymrat827]

Had me a little worried for a sec. I was about to ditch the T3. Stuff turned me into the incredible shrinking man.

Well i would of started the T3 at day 9/10. It would give your body time to come completely anabolic from the other stuff. Than you wouldnt have noticed any drop in strength/endurance/etc.

I would get on the Tes P now to get your levels up, but at the same time use enough Tes E so it will take over at wk 4/5.

 

[CCV3]

Ya I probably should have, but I'm pretty impatient when it comes to starting a substance. It's my fault, but next time I will definitely wait a little bit. I mean it made me WEAK. Not embarrassing weak, but just a self esteem killer.

Things are going great now.

 

[Dragon13]

Why not use var for the cut? Dieting is exactly the situation in which it shines.

Also, you have PM.

 

[CCV3]

I just got off an 8 week bridge using a low dosage of Var (and some other stuff), or I definitely would. So instead I transitioned directly into this cycle and used tbol as my first oral.

By the way, dbol gives me more strength than tbol.
So all that talk about it tbol being dbol without the water retention is non sense.

Inb4 the extra water makes your stronger.

 

[gymrat827]

How's it going bro??

 

[CCV3]

Going well.
Started around 205. Weighed in yesterday at 193.
Going to change it up though. Tren is out. I've never had stamina problems on it, but I picked boxing back up and I don't want to risk it. Masteron will be it's replacement. Thinking I can get away with twice a week at 100mg.

Also, swtiching to Cyp starting week 7 and bumping it up to 400mg.
So my second half will look like this:

Week 7 - 400mg Test C / 200mg Test P / 200mg Masteron
Week 8 - 400mg Test C / 200mg Test P / 200mg Masteron
Week 9 - 400mg Test C / 200mg Test P / 200mg Masteron
Week 10 - 400mg Test C / 200mg Test P / 200mg Masteron
Week 11 - 400mg Test C / 200mg Test P / 200mg Masteron
Week 12 - 400mg Test C / 200mg Test P / 200mg Masteron

OR do you (or anyone really) suggest keeping my test C at 300mg and leaving my EQ in at 200mg on top as well? Sort of up in the air about it...

 

[CCV3]

Weighed in at 189.
Muscle preservation going great. Pretty on track losing about 1 lb a week.
It couldn't be going any better. Well, maybe more sleep...

Also, I love stano. Just saying...

 

[MarBaSxx]

Do you feel EQ at 200 mg? I have 1 vial of it and was thinking about running for 10 weeks at 200 but dont want to waste it

 

[CCV3]

Ya, I feel it. I did front load the first 2 weeks at 400mg though.
I can tell the difference between dropping it down to 200mg compared to running it 400mg throughout, because I've ran it 400mg for 12 weeks before. By week 5 or 6 I was benching new PRs like it was run of the mill activity. This time around, meh...strength is up there but now like "whoa" you know. 200mg is good enough to keep my joints in good shape. I still get really hungry, even with the ECA.