How dose this look?
- 12-22-2010, 09:26 PM
How dose this look?
Test prop/tren ace blen 60mg/40mg 1ml
week 1 Aceprop at 1ml/eod
3-4 1.5ml/eod at this point it will be 90prop/60ace EOD
4-10 1.75ml/eod test/tren 100mg/70mg EOD
35mg/day of tren should be perfect for my goals. also first time tren user here.
up until 8th week ill have CJC at 500mcg twice a week
1-8 Winstrol 50mg/day
1-10 arimidex *
10-14 nolva 40/40/20/20
10-14 clomid 150/50/50/50
12-16 S4 or Serma 1
12-20 ghrp6 100mcg 3x day *
1-20 clen 2week on 2 week off *
15-20 winstrol 50mg/day *
15-21 nolva 20mg/day *
*-need advice on how to run and what dose.
stats entering this cycle : 5-10 ~230lb at 17%
also diet outlines are welcomed as well. im looking at doing a low-moderate carb diet.
- 12-22-2010, 09:34 PM
Wow okay, i like what you got here - 5 months planned out.
I personally like to have more test here but if your test/tren is premixed you can't change the ratio. It should be good but you might be a little lethargic.
Adex you could start at 0.25mg ED and if you feel itchy nips or bloat then up it, if you feel alot of joint pain drop it. Don't need two SERMS IMO, i prefer clomid. Let me know how you like the SARM.
Clen looks good, remember to run benedryl during off weeks to clear receptors.
Just noticed you got another 5 week winny run at the end of your pct? Don't recommend that. I'd run one cycle and then take time off and get bloods.
12-22-2010, 09:42 PM
First time tren user running 10 weeks of tren acetate
I like the setup. I agree drop the nolva. And maybe cut the tren to 8 weeks and drag the winny out? Not that I have much experience with winny but it seems as if it might better aid you in the cutting aspect later in the cycle.
12-22-2010, 11:30 PM
Gonna do what you said bout adex.
idk wer to obtain benedryl.
and i kinda wanna do a mini cycle some time after the test/tren part. at first i thought about prop/ghrp6/igflr3/clen. do that instead? or wat i really wana do is run my test/tren be done with pct by week 14, and than 14-18 sarm. 20-28 mast/ghrp6/cjc/clen/winstrol
wat you say bro?
i like clomid better. after i ran 1g/week test i used 40/40/20/20 and 150/50/50 and i felt recovered. now cycle after that i did 500test 400eq clen and some dbol and 40/40/20/20 nolva pct and i didnt feel as recovered.
should i run clomid after the test/tren and have nolva while on sarm and the "cycle" after that.
to be honest the cycle after the first one is really mild. if i choose to do mast ace/cjc/ghrp6/clen/win thats really mild. in this part of the cycle ill be looking to try to gain some lean body mass while keeping sub 10% bf. this should be fairly hard, never done aything this hard. ive cut down to 8% before, but i would lose it after cycle and average out at like 10%.
12-23-2010, 12:24 AM
12-23-2010, 12:58 AM
I was just saying since it's your first experience with tren, why not cut it shorter and gauge the results for next time? And the winny...I've heard of guys running it longer than 8 weeks successfully. I was thinking if you were aiming to recomp, wouldn't it be best to keep the winny near the end of the cycle so you get the "recomped" look you are aiming for?
But like I said, I don't have much experience with it so this is mostly just hypothetically speaking.
12-23-2010, 01:50 AM
What's up with the benedryl? Never heard of it being associated what-so-ever with AAS. Interesting.........
12-23-2010, 02:20 AM
All my opinion of course.
I wouldn't run the winny twice, save it for the end.
You should front load with var or tbol.
50mg+ of var or tbol will be a lot more anabolic than winny will.
I've only ran tren once, and to be completely blunt about it...it was the best I have ever looked in my life. Straight sculpted. You'll love it.
Up the test. I know you already said you didn't want to because of the sides but you should at least be doing 200mg of prop a week. Just saying because you are already suppressing your natural production, might as well get the bang for the buck.
I wouldn't start my PCT until week 11. Give it a week after your last shot. Or at least 3-4 days or so...
Other than that it looks cool. I would throw some HCG in there. Better safe than sorry...
12-23-2010, 09:56 AM
should i throw in 250mg enatate twice a week up until 8th week and PCT starting 11th week? that would equal to about 600mg test/week
how bout i use winny 3-10th week and than use anavar in like week 20.
i still need opinions on what to run after week 20.
what im looking towards is mast/var/clen/ghrp6/coke
12-23-2010, 05:58 PM
12-23-2010, 06:02 PM
12-23-2010, 06:07 PM
In between cycles you can run IGF-1, GH, SARMS, DNP, Clen, ....
12-23-2010, 06:12 PM
12-23-2010, 06:40 PM
Any substance that makes gets you that chizzled that quick can't be very good for you though. My doc said that if anyone were to run your blood while you were on tren they would probably take you straight to the hospital to figure out what is going on. It's pretty bad stuff.
I thought you were planning on using a low dosage of test though?
Throwing in Test E at 500mg a week would put you up there.
If you want to mix P and E I would do 200P and 250E, a week. No more than that though...
I would up my test to 12 weeks, go tbol 1-6, winny 7-12, then cruise on var (low, maybe 20 mgs or so) for another 6. Stack that with your clen and GH. It will harden you up, and clen keeps you a little anabolic.
GH, clen, and a low dose of var won't supress you. So you can stick with your PCT game plan.
Masteron is a good boost. What do you mean after week 20 though? I'd go 12 on, 8 PCT (4) and cruise (8) (var, clen, gh), then get back on.
I'm not a strict time on - time off guy.
For example I just did 18 weeks. I did my 4 weeks PCT and have been bridging for 8. I'm going to run blood. If my blood looks good, then I'm back on. So essentially I don't really get "off". So maybe I'm the wrong person to be replying...
12-23-2010, 11:19 PM
albyterol on off weeks. how many mgs/day?
12-24-2010, 12:40 AM
week 1 Aceprop at 1ml/eod
3-4 1.5ml/eod at this point it will be 90prop/60ace EOD OR 45prop/30ace ED!
4-10 1.75ml/eod test/tren 50prop/35ace
1-8 250mg enatate EW
1-8 Winstrol 50mg/day
1-10 arimidex 0.25mg ED and if you feel itchy nips or bloat then up it, if you feel alot of joint pain drop it.
WAIT 1 WEEK START PCT
When done with PCT ^ Cruise on gh/var/clen
Anavar 25mg/day for ~8weeks
(negative) -8 to +24 CJC 500mcg/week for total of 36weeks straight on CJC
Start PCT After the winstrol
1-18 clen 100mcg/day 2week on 2 week off Benedryl on off weeks. CVS
1-20 OTC stimulants like Caffein Ephedrin
low carb monsters
Arimidex at .25 anywhere if needed.
12-24-2010, 01:30 AM
Cycle your clen up though.
Start low and go high. Hitting 100mcg's a day for 2 weeks straight isn't going to do much. Your body adjusts to clen within 2 or 3 days. I promise you that you wont feel a thing on day 4 if you do your clen like that.
I have 55mcg's, so I go like this...
Break 2 weeks.
Then back on the same gig.
Clen is all about how you feel. Everyone is different, but I can guarantee you that hitting 100mcg on the first day will be extremely strong. That's way too much. Then your body will just adapt to it within 48-72 hours.
40mg on nolva for 3 weeks is a little overkill.
People with actual estrogen issues get scripted 10mg ED.
20mg is more than enough.
12-24-2010, 02:54 AM
Than i guess ill do 40/40/20/20 nolva. but its really how i feel. i might add an extra week of 20mg. idk. idk if i really wana run nolva in second pct. should i just do this
week after test tren do:
start the var here and run nolva thru out the entire time on anavar at 10mg/day? Or should i just run arimidex, but that might be a little too much on my joints?
12-24-2010, 04:34 AM
Ya, you can do 1 week on 1 week off. That works too.
PCT is hard to say, since everyone seems to have their own opinion.
I have run the same PCT every time, and my blood has always gone back to normal (liver, bonded test, free test, igf, estrogen, etc.)
I hit 10mg of Nolva 1 week pre PCT.
So it goes last shot, wait a week, 1 week Nolva at 10mg.
Then I go 20/20/20/20 and run the clomid at 100/50/50/50
I blast about 15000 IU's of HCG within 4 weeks.
First week I go 2000/2000/1000, then I run 1500/1500/1000 and so on...
I have always bounced back with that formula.
12-24-2010, 04:36 AM
In regards of Arimidex I've never used it. I have a couple bottle of the liquid, just never cared enough to use it. So I can't say...
12-25-2010, 06:12 PM
12-25-2010, 06:39 PM
i need something anabolic after that cycle so i can keep dieting or very very clean bulk so i can get muscle while not gain any fat (mayb even losing some). the cjc isnt anabolic enough to let me gain muscle lose fat while at low cals. i need something else.
ideas on s4? 30days 50mg/day? would that even do anything?
im left with the conclusion that sarms are very weak.
12-25-2010, 07:58 PM
12-26-2010, 11:37 AM
12-26-2010, 11:07 PM
after PCT ill run:
s4 50mg/day 30days
for about 8weeks? than gen on mayb mast/win/clen
12-27-2010, 01:19 AM
12-29-2010, 05:56 PM
12-29-2010, 07:53 PM
I love stano as much as the next person but too much too close is asking for joint pain. 8 weeks is enough time to clear your receptors out. Why drop the test? If you are firm on not picking the test back up, I would do a different oral with a little stronger anabolic qualities. If you could get your hands on turinabol that would be better.
If you really want to run the winny again that soon I would probably throw some eq in there. Go test/eq for 6, kick the masteron in at 7-12, tbol 1-6, winny 7-12
You are already looking ahead to your next-next cycle, before starting the first.
It's good, but I really base it on how I look at the end of my initial one. Opinions always change...
12-30-2010, 02:54 AM
im not gonna run test/eq for 6 weeks. eq makes me hungry, on my last cut it was 500 test 400 eq +clen/t3 and i was starving. i dnt even knw how but i managed to cut a lot of fat and look really good.
im gonna drop the test at week 8 because its enathate and i want it completly out by 11 week which is start of PCT. but i want the extra test because im already getting shut down might as well have more test.
im looking at the second cycle yes.. but its more of second phrase, with the above as first phrase. will probably run like 4-600mg mast + 500test + var+clen
12-30-2010, 12:57 PM
Cool, makes sense.
Ya, EQ makes you eat. I was lucky enough to keep it clean the last time I ran it, basically just stuffing my face with chicken and broccoli whenever I was eating out of my normal cals/macros. Next time around I may not be so disciplined.
Also, a buck a 50mg tab for winny is a really good deal.
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