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    recovery after 10 week cycle vs 24 week+ cycle


    thinking of extending my cycle from 16 weeks to 22 weeks.....
    will I recover, no hcg was/will be used as I cannot acquire it. clomid/nolva pct with atd

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    thinking of extending my cycle from 16 weeks to 22 weeks.....
    will I recover, no hcg was/will be used as I cannot acquire it. clomid/nolva pct with atd

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    Some guys use Deca for 4 wks and never recover; other's use it for 20wks with no sides at all. Point is, no one can predict whether you'll recover after 16 wks or 20 wks. But doing a cycle without HCG is one way to make sure you don't recover. How far are you into your cycle? What are you taking? Is this your first? Personally, I feel that the longer you go without HCG the harder it will be for you to fully recover. Since you don't have HCG, I'd be concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Some guys use Deca for 4 wks and never recover; other's use it for 20wks with no sides at all. Point is, no one can predict whether you'll recover after 16 wks or 20 wks. But doing a cycle without HCG is one way to make sure you don't recover. How far are you into your cycle? What are you taking? Is this your first? Personally, I feel that the longer you go without HCG the harder it will be for you to fully recover. Since you don't have HCG, I'd be concerned.
    cant get hcg because irish customs are incredibly incredibly strict, even disguised the hcg i ordered (a year ago) got seized.there is literally none I can acquire from within the country

    5th cycle

    im at exactly 16 weeks now, has been test, with tren ace first half and npp for the last 8 weeks. made great gains but really want to spend at least another 6 weeks cutting, cannot bear to have to finish pct before I start cutting because I have body image problems and have no sense confidence when my bodyfat is higher than Id like(but thats another issue altogether)

    I guess my question is, how much harder will it be to recover from a 24 weeks cycle as opposed to a 16 weeker?
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    It will be harder; how much harder, I honestly don't know... On your last cycles, I trust you didn't have HCG but fully recovered? If you have a history of recovering after a cycle without HCG, then your odds are better than most and you're lucky. Extending your cycle another two months will be pushing your luck. My advice, whatever it's worth, is to go for it and be prepared for TRT if need be. If you're not ready for TRT, then you wouldn't be messing with AAS in the first place, so go for it.
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    if ur gonna go ahead and do a 24 weeker without HCG than unlease switch to short esters at week 16. this way you can stop whenever you want and start pcting only a few days after last pin.

    using enatate for 10weeks means youll be really using it for 12.
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    im using test prop as a base so yeah

    and Im lucky? most users dont know what hcg is lol
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    i guess the point of this thread was to see if anyone has recovered successfully after long cycles with no hcg
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    i guess the point of this thread was to see if anyone has recovered successfully after long cycles with no hcg
    But if they did, it doesn't mean you will. Your point was not missed. You're looking for someone to say they had no problems after 24 weeks so you can proceed with some degree of comfort. Fact remains, no matter what anyone else might have experienced, you're in unchartered waters concerning your own body. I'm not totally surprised that you can't get HCG, but find it difficult to believe that many have not heard of it...Back in the 70's guys like Arnold popped Dbol like candy and didn't know what "cycling" meant. He apparently recovered. HCG will help you recover for sure but that doesn't mean you won't recover without it.
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    Bad idea, besides recovery theres down regulation and cortisol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    cant get hcg because irish customs are incredibly incredibly strict, even disguised the hcg i ordered (a year ago) got seized.there is literally none I can acquire from within the country
    You could always visit a doctor and tell him/her what you are doing. Doctors can prescribe hcg. At least they can in the U.S., not sure bout Ireland. Either way, the doc could help you.
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    probably a bad idea without the hcg bro. i'd stop the cycle as planned.
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    Get some HCG.
    You now have x more weeks to do so.

    Your nuts are going to need a serious kicks start after that long.
    I wouldn't do more than 12 weeks without HCG.

    Then again I have never done a cycle without HCG in my PCT.
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    OP...i dnt no what recover means.
    ull recover obviusly...u wouldnt die from that cycle. but how hard would u b able to get? and for how long u gona stay hard for? damage to ur semen? perma damage to ur semen?


    do I think ur gona be fine? yes. ive seen people do dumber things and end up fine.

    1-16 test
    16-24 mast and winstrol

    dnt keep taking test the entire time.


    holy **** before people start jumping on that last sentence....U DONT NEED TEST IN A CYCLE. in most cycles you do, but if u take mast or EQ than u dont need test and especially if ur cutting.
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    ^^^

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    You will eventually recover, but I wouldn't risk it.

    Also, it's OK to get off test. Give it a good 8 weeks for your receptors to reset. Bridge with something else, then hop back on. No need to hit 20+ weeks straight unless you are cruising...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    OP...i dnt no what recover means.
    ull recover obviusly...u wouldnt die from that cycle. but how hard would u b able to get? and for how long u gona stay hard for? damage to ur semen? perma damage to ur semen?


    do I think ur gona be fine? yes. ive seen people do dumber things and end up fine.

    1-16 test
    16-24 mast and winstrol

    dnt keep taking test the entire time.


    holy **** before people start jumping on that last sentence....U DONT NEED TEST IN A CYCLE. in most cycles you do, but if u take mast or EQ than u dont need test and especially if ur cutting.
    dude I agree that test isnt needed, done testless cycles myself(cutting mostly, for appetite reasons)

    so how was pct after that cycle?did you feel alright and lose much mass/strength? how was libido
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    I personally wouldn't worry about a 20 week cycle but thats just me.
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    I would get off of it just to be safe, unless you have some sort of reason to get big asap. Don't risk your health for the sake of vanity.
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    OP its winter time...just come off as planned. try keeping most gains. wear a sweatshirt to hide the bloat. try gaining some more size. and than guess what? once april hits, get on that mast. sounds like a plan?
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    24 weeks on without hcg and wanting to pct and not lose muscle is going to be rather difficult. if you want to run this long you really have to look at HRT/TRT being a good possibility in your life or having a really ****ty 2 months trying to get your natty test levels back maybe even longer..I have known guys who have run very high doseages for multiple years and recovered, however none of them recovered in under a year and it was a very long and hard proccess for all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    thinking of extending my cycle from 16 weeks to 22 weeks.....
    will I recover, no hcg was/will be used as I cannot acquire it. clomid/nolva pct with atd

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    Your LH will probably recover quickly but the long inactivity will keep the testes dormant for a long time. Anabolics 2007 has a study showing ~5 weeks to recover LH but 10+ to recover test levels. The part to gleam from the study was not waking the boys, ie HCG will hamper recovery even using PCT drugs since they only stimulate LH/FSH output sooner but do nothing to address the comatose testes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad rad View Post
    Your LH will probably recover quickly but the long inactivity will keep the testes dormant for a long time. Anabolics 2007 has a study showing ~5 weeks to recover LH but 10+ to recover test levels. The part to gleam from the study was not waking the boys, ie HCG will hamper recovery even using PCT drugs since they only stimulate LH/FSH output sooner but do nothing to address the comatose testes.
    Not sure I follow you. When used during a cycle HCG helps to maintain testicular size and condition. If you use it like recommended (about 500iu per wk while on cycle) it will keep the testicles receptive to LH. HCG maintains of a higher level of Inter-Testicular-Testosterone (ITT), when used during a cycle. This does address the recovery of the hypothalamic-testicular-pituitary-axis. During PCT it will still help in restoring your testicles back to their original size, and provide stimulation for the Leydig cells. Please explain how HCG hampers recovery? This is the first time I ever heard of that.
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    too many variables from individuals to say definitely no way you will recover or not. In general, the longer a person is on, the longer the recover time and the greater use hcg can be. Will you recover after a 20 week cycle without using hcg? Probably, but will it be harder and take longer? Again probably. I dont know if this question can be answered any shorter or simply than this. Now the question you should be asking yourself is, are the gains in weeks 10-24 worth the longer and more difficult pct? Only you can answer that for yourself. Also take into account that often, but not all times, there is a point of diminishing returns on cycle length, where gains slow and dosages need to be increased to get them going again, which also will make recovery more difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Not sure I follow you. When used during a cycle HCG helps to maintain testicular size and condition. If you use it like recommended (about 500iu per wk while on cycle) it will keep the testicles receptive to LH. HCG maintains of a higher level of Inter-Testicular-Testosterone (ITT), when used during a cycle. This does address the recovery of the hypothalamic-testicular-pituitary-axis. During PCT it will still help in restoring your testicles back to their original size, and provide stimulation for the Leydig cells. Please explain how HCG hampers recovery? This is the first time I ever heard of that.
    Sorry about that, I was thinking faster than I typed and left out a big part. It was supposed to read "without HCG".

    The study was tracking the recovery of the HPTA after 20 weeks of Test E administration. There were no PCT drugs used during this time. LH recovered to pre-cycle levels in about 5 weeks but endogenous Test didn't recover for over 10 weeks. This can be used to show why HCG is important, once the testes are dormant recovery is much harder.

    I was trying to tell the OP that even with PCT his endo test levels probably won't recovery quickly since his testes will still be dormant. Without HCG his LH/FSH levels will bounce back quicker using Clomid/Nolva but his HPTA will still be suppressed. I'm a big believer in HCG use and this study illustrates why, LH/FSH levels aren't suppressed for too long post cycle but the HPTA as a system is.
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    Ok, got it. Funny how one word can totally change the meaning. I'm with you now.
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    OP most people follow this example: 10weeks on, PCT, 10weeks off, get back on.

    so if/SHOULD follow that ^ ull do 24weeks + 6week PCT=30weeks, so u gonna stay drug free for 30 weeks after?

    id rather run 3-4 cycles in 60months than 1 long ass cycle. i bet you gain more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Not sure I follow you. When used during a cycle HCG helps to maintain testicular size and condition. If you use it like recommended (about 500iu per wk while on cycle) it will keep the testicles receptive to LH. HCG maintains of a higher level of Inter-Testicular-Testosterone (ITT), when used during a cycle. This does address the recovery of the hypothalamic-testicular-pituitary-axis. During PCT it will still help in restoring your testicles back to their original size, and provide stimulation for the Leydig cells. Please explain how HCG hampers recovery? This is the first time I ever heard of that.

    The reason people use HCG during the cycle rather than in PCT is because hcg creates a false signal to the testes that there is LH and FSH being produced so they in turn keep producing testosterone (sperm etc etc) because they are getting a false signal that there is a LH/FSH signal coming from the brain, where in reality that signal is not actually there. To create a balanced HPTA the signal from the brain must be there as well as the testicular response. HCG in its own right is suppressive to the HPTA but in a different way, it is suppressive because the actual LH and FSH produced from the anterior pituitary are actually missing so rather than ur testicles being shut down its ur midbrain of ur endocrine system being turned off instead. When added to a cycle ur testicles respond by keeping their mass as well as a decent testosterone response which makes coming off a lot easier. However when added to PCT it doesnt necessarily help that well because when the hcg is ceased the lack in LH/FSH from the brain is still present and now you have to overcome that, which isnt as hard to restart however still is not immediate and probably will take at least a couple weeks.

    There is a ton of info about why hcg is used on cycle and not in PCT anymore on this site all you have to do is search it out. Also make sure u dont abuse HCG in high amounts because you can also desensitize yourself to LH/FSH and then you are really really really going to make recovery much harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    OP most people follow this example: 10weeks on, PCT, 10weeks off, get back on.

    so if/SHOULD follow that ^ ull do 24weeks + 6week PCT=30weeks, so u gonna stay drug free for 30 weeks after?

    id rather run 3-4 cycles in 60months than 1 long ass cycle. i bet you gain more.

    time on + pct= time off is a general rule of thumb for people who are using orals and cause a lot of damage to their livers. Once the OP's HPTA is back on track for a month or so he can go back on.
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    HCG usage- on cycle, on pct or...never?

    this is a good thread exactly about the hcg subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker86 View Post
    time on + pct= time off is a general rule of thumb for people who are using orals and cause a lot of damage to their livers. Once the OP's HPTA is back on track for a month or so he can go back on.
    NO!

    OPs HPTA will not recover in a month after 24weeks. it wont recovere in a month even if he runs 10weeks. dont give your advice, it comes out wrong. and op reads it and thinks its alright to do 6month cycles. op doesnt even know what compounds to run in that time and your giving him the thumbs up.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    OP most people follow this example: 10weeks on, PCT, 10weeks off, get back on.

    so if/SHOULD follow that ^ ull do 24weeks + 6week PCT=30weeks, so u gonna stay drug free for 30 weeks after?

    id rather run 3-4 cycles in 60months than 1 long ass cycle. i bet you gain more.
    yup, thats the plan

    have my ideal body right now, except with about 20lbs too much fat(Im 230 15%, wabt to cut down to 4-5ish)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    yup, thats the plan

    have my ideal body right now, except with about 20lbs too much fat(Im 230 15%, wabt to cut down to 4-5ish)
    ok thats good. you got your body, but how are you gonna maintain 5% bf without steroids? youll be off for a while after this cycle.

    hint: look into peptides.
    hint2: run more but shorter cycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLHF View Post
    ok thats good. you got your body, but how are you gonna maintain 5% bf without steroids? youll be off for a while after this cycle.

    hint: look into peptides.
    hint2: run more but shorter cycles.
    cant afford peptides bro, and good advice on the second hint buts usually what I always do......need alot to grow off, eg, cycle before this was test prop, tren at 150mg a day, 30mg sd, and 30mg of m1t for 6 weeks

    no Im not going to maintain 5%, more like 7-8
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