recovery after 10 week cycle vs 24 week+ cycle
- 12-19-2010, 08:49 AM
- 12-19-2010, 09:25 AM
- 12-19-2010, 12:38 PM
im at exactly 16 weeks now, has been test, with tren ace first half and npp for the last 8 weeks. made great gains but really want to spend at least another 6 weeks cutting, cannot bear to have to finish pct before I start cutting because I have body image problems and have no sense confidence when my bodyfat is higher than Id like(but thats another issue altogether)
I guess my question is, how much harder will it be to recover from a 24 weeks cycle as opposed to a 16 weeker?
12-19-2010, 01:05 PM
It will be harder; how much harder, I honestly don't know... On your last cycles, I trust you didn't have HCG but fully recovered? If you have a history of recovering after a cycle without HCG, then your odds are better than most and you're lucky. Extending your cycle another two months will be pushing your luck. My advice, whatever it's worth, is to go for it and be prepared for TRT if need be. If you're not ready for TRT, then you wouldn't be messing with AAS in the first place, so go for it.
12-19-2010, 01:14 PM
if ur gonna go ahead and do a 24 weeker without HCG than unlease switch to short esters at week 16. this way you can stop whenever you want and start pcting only a few days after last pin.
using enatate for 10weeks means youll be really using it for 12.
12-19-2010, 03:40 PM
im using test prop as a base so yeah
and Im lucky? most users dont know what hcg is lol
12-19-2010, 03:45 PM
i guess the point of this thread was to see if anyone has recovered successfully after long cycles with no hcg
12-19-2010, 05:40 PM
12-19-2010, 05:54 PM
Bad idea, besides recovery theres down regulation and cortisol.
12-19-2010, 06:17 PM
12-19-2010, 09:05 PM
probably a bad idea without the hcg bro. i'd stop the cycle as planned.
12-19-2010, 10:02 PM
Get some HCG.
You now have x more weeks to do so.
Your nuts are going to need a serious kicks start after that long.
I wouldn't do more than 12 weeks without HCG.
Then again I have never done a cycle without HCG in my PCT.
12-19-2010, 10:08 PM
OP...i dnt no what recover means.
ull recover obviusly...u wouldnt die from that cycle. but how hard would u b able to get? and for how long u gona stay hard for? damage to ur semen? perma damage to ur semen?
do I think ur gona be fine? yes. ive seen people do dumber things and end up fine.
16-24 mast and winstrol
dnt keep taking test the entire time.
holy **** before people start jumping on that last sentence....U DONT NEED TEST IN A CYCLE. in most cycles you do, but if u take mast or EQ than u dont need test and especially if ur cutting.
12-19-2010, 10:22 PM
You will eventually recover, but I wouldn't risk it.
Also, it's OK to get off test. Give it a good 8 weeks for your receptors to reset. Bridge with something else, then hop back on. No need to hit 20+ weeks straight unless you are cruising...
12-20-2010, 10:44 AM
12-20-2010, 11:37 AM
I personally wouldn't worry about a 20 week cycle but thats just me.
12-20-2010, 07:33 PM
I would get off of it just to be safe, unless you have some sort of reason to get big asap. Don't risk your health for the sake of vanity.
12-20-2010, 08:52 PM
OP its winter time...just come off as planned. try keeping most gains. wear a sweatshirt to hide the bloat. try gaining some more size. and than guess what? once april hits, get on that mast. sounds like a plan?
12-20-2010, 09:57 PM
24 weeks on without hcg and wanting to pct and not lose muscle is going to be rather difficult. if you want to run this long you really have to look at HRT/TRT being a good possibility in your life or having a really ****ty 2 months trying to get your natty test levels back maybe even longer..I have known guys who have run very high doseages for multiple years and recovered, however none of them recovered in under a year and it was a very long and hard proccess for all of them.
12-20-2010, 11:08 PM
Lift heavy and eat lots of dead animals! Yes, that's me in my avatar.
12-21-2010, 04:16 AM
12-21-2010, 06:53 AM
too many variables from individuals to say definitely no way you will recover or not. In general, the longer a person is on, the longer the recover time and the greater use hcg can be. Will you recover after a 20 week cycle without using hcg? Probably, but will it be harder and take longer? Again probably. I dont know if this question can be answered any shorter or simply than this. Now the question you should be asking yourself is, are the gains in weeks 10-24 worth the longer and more difficult pct? Only you can answer that for yourself. Also take into account that often, but not all times, there is a point of diminishing returns on cycle length, where gains slow and dosages need to be increased to get them going again, which also will make recovery more difficult.
12-21-2010, 07:24 AM
The study was tracking the recovery of the HPTA after 20 weeks of Test E administration. There were no PCT drugs used during this time. LH recovered to pre-cycle levels in about 5 weeks but endogenous Test didn't recover for over 10 weeks. This can be used to show why HCG is important, once the testes are dormant recovery is much harder.
I was trying to tell the OP that even with PCT his endo test levels probably won't recovery quickly since his testes will still be dormant. Without HCG his LH/FSH levels will bounce back quicker using Clomid/Nolva but his HPTA will still be suppressed. I'm a big believer in HCG use and this study illustrates why, LH/FSH levels aren't suppressed for too long post cycle but the HPTA as a system is.
Lift heavy and eat lots of dead animals! Yes, that's me in my avatar.
12-21-2010, 07:43 AM
Ok, got it. Funny how one word can totally change the meaning. I'm with you now.
12-21-2010, 02:29 PM
OP most people follow this example: 10weeks on, PCT, 10weeks off, get back on.
so if/SHOULD follow that ^ ull do 24weeks + 6week PCT=30weeks, so u gonna stay drug free for 30 weeks after?
id rather run 3-4 cycles in 60months than 1 long ass cycle. i bet you gain more.
12-21-2010, 11:12 PM
The reason people use HCG during the cycle rather than in PCT is because hcg creates a false signal to the testes that there is LH and FSH being produced so they in turn keep producing testosterone (sperm etc etc) because they are getting a false signal that there is a LH/FSH signal coming from the brain, where in reality that signal is not actually there. To create a balanced HPTA the signal from the brain must be there as well as the testicular response. HCG in its own right is suppressive to the HPTA but in a different way, it is suppressive because the actual LH and FSH produced from the anterior pituitary are actually missing so rather than ur testicles being shut down its ur midbrain of ur endocrine system being turned off instead. When added to a cycle ur testicles respond by keeping their mass as well as a decent testosterone response which makes coming off a lot easier. However when added to PCT it doesnt necessarily help that well because when the hcg is ceased the lack in LH/FSH from the brain is still present and now you have to overcome that, which isnt as hard to restart however still is not immediate and probably will take at least a couple weeks.
There is a ton of info about why hcg is used on cycle and not in PCT anymore on this site all you have to do is search it out. Also make sure u dont abuse HCG in high amounts because you can also desensitize yourself to LH/FSH and then you are really really really going to make recovery much harder.
12-21-2010, 11:13 PM
12-21-2010, 11:18 PM
12-23-2010, 08:09 AM
OPs HPTA will not recover in a month after 24weeks. it wont recovere in a month even if he runs 10weeks. dont give your advice, it comes out wrong. and op reads it and thinks its alright to do 6month cycles. op doesnt even know what compounds to run in that time and your giving him the thumbs up.....
12-23-2010, 01:30 PM
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