Test e from powder

[CrazyChemist]

A few questions on reconstituting injectable test e from powder (of course all hypothetical):

1. What type of oil is best?

2. Directions indicate heating oil to 250 degrees. Does this not cause the test to fall apart? Most molecules are thermally unstable at high temperatures, esp. above the boiling pt. of water (not because there is water present, obviously this is a hydrophobic molecule but -OH groups on the molecule tend to form radicals at high temps. This could be an abnormal case, i don't know).

3. Directions indicate a filtration. Why is this necessary? If its all test e and i filter some of it out doesn't that affect the concentration?

[EasyEJL]

Generally sesame, grapeseed or cottonseed oil is used, some people like to use ethyl oleate instead. If you are using enough benzyl benzoate + benzyl alcohol (15+% and 2-4% respectively) then you generally don't need to heat it to get it all in solution, or don't need to heat it very high.

And the filtering is done once its in solution, the idea is by using a .4 micron filter you remove any bacteria or other contaminants from the solution more for sterility purposes than anything else.

[dsade]

Correct, the filter pore size is large enough to allow the Test E molecules through, but not large enough to allow bacteria and other impurities through.

I would simply heat the oil in a microwave safe dish (under a minute heating time), add the TE, then filter into your final vessel.

[slacker86]

1) type of oil is dependant on doseage you wish to create per ml. EO is great for high concentrations and grapeseed is just fine for your average 250mg/ml.

2) it is a sterilization proceedure since most bacteria cannot survive at such a high temp and if you where to drop the temp to kill the same bacteria you would cause your gear to crash.

3) everyone has already answered this so im not gonig to. However i do run some sterile oil through the fitlter to make sure all the test has been flushed from the filter.

[CrazyChemist]

Correct, the filter pore size is large enough to allow the Test E molecules through, but not large enough to allow bacteria and other impurities through.

I would simply heat the oil in a microwave safe dish (under a minute heating time), add the TE, then filter into your final vessel.

so you think no benzyl benzoate or benzyl alcohol?

Also, couldn't you heat the oil first to the point where it would kill the bacteria, then add the test e to prevent thermal degradation? Lastly, if you have sterilized the oil than the filtration would just be to filter out the dead bacteria, most of which would have lysed.

[dsade]

so you think no benzyl benzoate or benzyl alcohol?

I put the BA and BB into the final vessel. The amount of BB depends on the concentration I would be making, and is put into the final vessel to prevent crashing as it cools off.

[EasyEJL]

I put the BA and BB into the final vessel. The amount of BB depends on the concentration I would be making, and is put into the final vessel to prevent crashing as it cools off.

interesting, as with using EO, I put the powder into the ba/bb and it usually goes 100% into solution without heat, and then I add the EO to that, filter into vials, then heat after that to 180 for an hour to sterilize

[CrazyChemist]

thanks all - i think i get it

[dsade]

interesting, as with using EO, I put the powder into the ba/bb and it usually goes 100% into solution without heat, and then I add the EO to that, filter into vials, then heat after that to 180 for an hour to sterilize

I might have to try the EO approach, if I ever do this again.

[EasyEJL]

can get prop @200mg/ml, and flows through a 27

[CrazyChemist]

wow you guys are bad ass pumping engine oil into your body. lol, EO=vitamin E oil? essential oil?

[dsade]

wow you guys are bad ass pumping engine oil into your body. lol, EO=vitamin E oil? essential oil?

Ethyl Oleate.

[Outstanding]

grapeseed. If you are using enough benzyl benzoate + benzyl alcohol (15+% and 2-4% respectively) then you generally don't need to heat it to get it all in solution, or don't need to heat it very high.

^ This! Beat me too it. Now that I'm thinking of it, I still have a few 10ml plungers and whatmans at home, SCORE! It is almost time.

[CrazyChemist]

^ This! Beat me too it. Now that I'm thinking of it, I still have a few 10ml plungers and whatmans at home, SCORE! It is almost time.

Time for the new years eve cycle?

[Iron Warrior]

If you go with EO then don't make a huge amount because it may cause a worse injection site pain in some people. Have fun and enjoy !

[rhodesman]

I agree with Easyjl and Dsade. I only differ in one area. I would run oil(with gear already in solution) through a .45 then through a .22filter. Many bacteria and viruses and mycoplasma can still slip through a .45filter. If you are confident that your oven is exactly 250F and you allow it to stay at that temp for at least 15min you should be sterile. I work in a lab and let me assure you, a .45 filter will not remove all contaminants.

[Outstanding]

Time for the new years eve cycle?

Precisely. This will be the most comprehensive and regimented of my life. To date, I have only ever done Test/Tren cycles, with either Superdrol or M1T as my oral adjunct.

Adding in EQ this go-round, and initiating it all with Test Prop then adding in Enanthate as the esters become physiologically active.

[Gator 87]

I could clear up a lot of issues here, but I'm kinda scared about this site's rules on brewing discussions...

[EasyEJL]

I could clear up a lot of issues here, but I'm kinda scared about this site's rules on brewing discussions...

So long as you leave out sources and brand names it seems ok

[RedwolfWV]

If you go with EO then don't make a huge amount because it may cause a worse injection site pain in some people. Have fun and enjoy !

I agree with this. I use EO to thin the oil, it makes up 50% of my final volume.