ED issues / PCT argument
- 08-21-2010, 11:42 AM
ED issues / PCT argument
Ok so was chit chatting about the thread topic to some other fellas.
So its me who is adapted to the ideas of aas cycles now talking to some old timers who have different viewpoints.
They older guys were saying as soon as they were done w/ a pct, if they ran one, theyd hop back on the sauce. Also they mentioned that after they were done with their cycle and experienced ED problems, theyd also hop back on regardless of how little time off they had off.
My .02 to the convo was wouldnt that only delay the problem? They said no. I dropped it after that.
Idk seems like a bad idea.
Anyone got views, opinions, or experience on this?Serious Nutrition Solutions
- 08-21-2010, 12:14 PM
The old timers I know who were world class powerlifters back in the mid 1970's said they would stay on continuously using a taper protocol. It was all doctor administered, twice per week he would swing by the gym, give them their shots and be on his way. Speaking with these guys they don't even know what the phrase "PCT" means. Never heard of Nolva, never heard of Clomid and sure as hell have no idea what HCG was until Manny Ramirez & Brian Cushing made it a household name.
Being in my mid-20's I would never do anything longer than 16 weeks max. I wouldn't hop right back on if I was having issues either, I'd head to the doctor to get blood work done to see what might be causing the problem. Most of us are on the journey to reach our goals in a smart, educated manner...to improve our lives and look like pure bred studs! All the old timers who ran juice like that back in the day, don't look too good now since they have stopped. So when I heard about people staying on year round I keep my opinion to myself, but I would never follow their lead.
- 08-21-2010, 12:29 PM
Yeah I educated them a little on PCT but it didnt seem like it was a common practice by the expressions / looks on their faces.
thats what I was thinking as well, I mean if you surpressed so much and than start up again youre not gonna magically fix / right yourself next time you come off. That tapering protocol is interesting as well, as far as what I was talkinga bout it seemed almost like a continous TRT, well not continous but whenver you feel like it TRT per se.
Like if you take one look at these guys youll tell that theyve juiced before, they look pretty good for being mid 50's Ill definately admit they look better than most younger guys.
curious to more thoughts on this.Serious Nutrition Solutions
08-22-2010, 01:52 AM
Personally no. I'm 28 and follow time on time off (although I may get into bridging).
The old timers I know, don't really get off.
A friend of mine (47) goes off 3 months a year. By "off" he means he still hits about 200mg of prop a week.
He said "Hey, some guys choose viagra. I rather do this".
So you can translate it as, ya...he needs it.
08-22-2010, 01:54 AM
Oh ya, he is fully aware (my friend above) of PCT. He used to compete. He has a script for all that stuff. He just doesn't use it. Sorry for the double post, just left off the PCT.
He just uses Arimidex and might hit a little HCG here and there, but its definitely not to cycle off.
08-22-2010, 11:10 AM
A guy I know was big into juice in the late 80s and early 90s. The only thing he knew was clomid and it was to pop one if his nips started to hurt. He ran no pct whatsoever and his cycles seemed to me to be completely retarded. He was a big dude but ruined his joints by running just straight tren for a couple months at a time at 100mg a day.
By the time I met him his joints were so fd up he was gone on pain pills so who knows if or why he would have ED.
I could see someone jumping back on a couple weeks after pct if the bloods looked ok but I think giving equal time off as on would be benificial to cholesterol levels equalizing back to normal....?
08-26-2010, 05:40 PM
the only thing i can add is that i never cycled before a couple months ago. i was put on trt and thought what the hey might as well do a cycle lol. so my pct which im in right now is 150mg test. i never cycled before because i didnt want to deal with pct and now i dont have to, kinda
08-26-2010, 06:13 PM
hmmm seems to be the new vs old viewpoints are the same. take time off seems to be the general vote.
Serious Nutrition Solutions
08-27-2010, 09:17 PM
this is just the same old argument about blasting and cruising vs. cycles. Ya if u run for a year straight (or more) ur gonna have 3-4 months that really suck if u come completely off or u might need TRT for the rest of your life doses vary from 150mg-200mg test cyp for trt, which generally puts u on the very high side of the testosterone levels for an "average" person.
Yes cycling will probably damage your natural production less however if you dont ever want to be on HRT or TRT you shouldnt be using steroids to begin with. I persoanlly do not see unless u want to be a REAL bodybuilding and do competitions why anyone should use steroids. And personal variances between people are too great to come up with ohh run for only 16 weeks and ull be ok but if u run for 20 ur ****ed. The younger you are the better your body is at recovering if ur 35+ and running **** u might as well just goto the doctor and sign up for HRT right now cause ur not gonna recover half as fast as soemone younger.
To answer ur question about time off= time on + pct, that i feel is more directed towards oral steroids, where the prolonging cycles would benefit the liver because of damage done to the liver during that period. The technical answer is you can run ur next cycle once ur HPTA is back to normal (assuming u got pre-cycle bloodwork done and know what normal is).
Lastly i am going to stress running cycles is less effective than blasting and cruising, this is making the assumption you are trying to compete at bodybuilding or at an elite level of athletics.
As for heath reasons, any chronic abuse of any drug is bad for you obviously the longer you stay on the worse it will get but dont think 6 weeks on will leave u untouched and in just as good condition as when u started, there are drawbacks to every chemical you choose to put in ur body.
I personally have chosen to blast and cruise my cruises are 200mg test cyp (perscribed HRT). And compared to when i tried cycling the gains stay way better, even improve in some aspects.
Again this is personal preference and as to why u are using steroids. If u wanna get ripped up and goto the club during spring break then ya cycles are probably what u want. if u wanna compete and be strong and perform better you probably want to blast and cruise.
Im sure ill get flamed for this cause god forbid i said that people who want the most out of training never come off, however mention one pro-bodybuilder that comes off... cause there are none that i know of, and their "off" is generally around a gram of test a week.
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